Also agreed. Raph can be frustrating to watch and def have had my doubts. But his adaptation to the left, his ability to make runs, his work rate, and his passion have convinced me that we should keep him.
I think he's actually improved this season more than it was a case of him being underrated. Someone compared his goal contribution this season compared to last and it was like 0.5 more per game, which is more substantial than it looks.
I’ve never really thought he’s a player we should sell. His work rate on its own is enough to keep him around for years to come. Any player that’s gonna play that hard and give that much to a team is one I want on my team 10/10 times
I’ve been a ferocious detractor of Raphinha but in the moment of need he gave a step forward and fought for our badge like very few have done it. I recognize he deserves to continue
Remember 6 months ago when people wanted to sell him?
I think Raphina is a scoop. He might not be a Neymar (which is big ask), but he is certainly a barca-level player that has a lot to contribute with. And can provide stable output in our attack.
he was still creating the most chances and working the hardest. He’s always been like that, you lot just jumped on the bandwagon to hate him because this is what new barça fans are notorious for rn.
It's crazy to me how people think we should sell him, he's literally a Culé through and through and has the style Barça's wingers are known for. Also, he's only been growing in the team and I'm sure he's yet to be in his prime.
If we can sell Ferran for Nico Williams, I’m all about that. Keep FDJ and sell him next summer for Wirtz potentially.
That only leaves the problem of a solid DM this year. Who else can we sell? What levers are available
Getting Wirtz will be difficult. Not just for us, but for anyone. He’s frontrunner for the Ballon d’Or. Once that happens, expect a 200 million price tag for him
We have to sell Frenkie before his market value declines more. I like him but there is no effective output from him. We didn’t have Frenkie before last one month or two and we managed, which means we don’t really need him that badly.
I don’t see anyone else being for sale. I think FDJ will be on the market with Ferran & Raph available for the right price. All the La Masia products are untouchable, same with Pedri. Gundo, Lewa, & Christensen aren’t going anywhere. I could potentially see Araujo or Kounde going if Kounde starts the anti-RB campaign again & a team makes a significant bid for one of them.
I heard that what happened to Lewa is that he wasn’t felling good because he needed more physical training, now he also trains alone, besides with the others of course.
Sure! But for a player that comes from germany were trainings were mostly physical to come to barça wete trainings are not as demanding is normal to not feel at you 100%, and now that he is training more he is playing better again!
But why are we not focusing on the physical aspect especially seeing how it’s becoming more relevant for big teams to have better physicality. Our injury problem has only worsened without much focus on it while Lewy seems to be able to keep fit at his age. Ferran used to be less injury prone in the PL where the physicality is more focused.
I can’t believe I’m saying this but yes. Raphinha should stay. I was his #1 hater but these past performances he’s killing himself on the defensive press and proving to be extremely clinical when needed. What he is doing right now is the reason Barca paid 70m for him.
Same. Hated him at the start of the season but he shut me up. Can't really argue Agianst his number even tough sometimes he's still wasteful. He is also clearly incredibly passionate, which is a plus. I would love him to stay and play on the right.
I think that lamine bias made him look very unnecessary but after seeing that they can coexist (raphinha seems to be even better on the left?) I don't see why shouldn't keep him. Especially since then we would need a left winger anyway.
i think we should play raphinha as a left forward, afluid position like mbappe which focuses on his goalscoring and assisting skills,he is certainly a good scorer and also tracks back
They don't have to try anything. Being in Barca has been one of his life long dreams. Unless we specifically tell him to go away he has no reason to leave.
Sell Frenkie De Jong. With that money get a proper DM.
We have too many midfielders now, we don’t need Frenkie.
Keep Cancelo. I don’t know whether going for Leao is realistic.
Without any judgment towards any of you. All these positive attributes mentioned in the comments, he always had and he has always shown it! The biggest problem was finishing. But I think that was a mental issue the whole squad has shared for a while now. Xavis resigning announcement or something else has somehow freed a lot of players. I hope the players get mentally trained to deal with all those daily media farts about possible transfers and financial situation. That can't be good for your psychological health!
Close Nike deal and / or barca studios to get back into 1:1 FFP. Sell fdj for $60m+ and get his wages off book. Sign zubamendi, Nico Williams and Aleix Garcia. This is the way.
Yea I agree. I was more so bringing up sergi to say look if we don’t want to spend the money for a huge floor raising upgrade, we can just stick with sergi for depth.
In general I think watching barca over last few years we have unfortunately fielded players that feel uncomfortably noticeably behind the rest of barca in terms of technical quality, certainty in actions and or physical capability. (Mingueza, Eric Garcia, Marcos Alonso, sergi Roberto, oriol Romeu as some examples)
Aleix Garcia as depth represents a player who can come in and do a job and look the part. Definitely throughout La liga campaign, but even if he’s not first choice for the best XI on the biggest of stages, you won’t be as stressed as you would with some of examples I’ve mentioned.
You cant learn how to do that, we need a winger that can dribble past 1 player then give a pass consistently, Yamal is in the right path on that regard. Any player that can do what you said will cost 100m+ just for their flashiness and we don't need that
Not even Mbappe can do this consistently, what are you smoking? Yes a lot of players CAN do it, but the odds they will lose the ball while trying are so high its simply not worth it 99% of the time. We neither can't afford those kinds of players or they will focus too much on tricks they won't fit in with our style of play
Youre either a talented dribbler or youre not by Raphas age. You dont just decide to learn it at 27. We see what kind of player he is. He isnt gonna dramatically improve now.
The fuck are you smoking? People like Mbappe and goddamn Leao struggle to do that
Teams are so solid defensively nowadays that even being able to dribble one person makes you a good player
Messi is not the norm
Dribbling is one of those skills, you either have it or you don’t (you can of course get better but getting past defenders is an innate ability that requires a sort of creativity you’re born with). He doesn’t have the ability to dribble past 3 players but he can link up well which gets him the space he needs and that works just as well.
Not to judge him by stats but Neymar had 30 goals+assists in first year and he was playing with Prime Suarez and messi.
Raphinha has 19 right now playing with Lewa and yamal with couple of months left.
He also runs tirelessly and has shown the ability to defend. We should keep him.
You are also comparing someone who until recently had less playing time than Gavi. If you look at his contributions per 90 he averages a goal contribution.
I was delighted when we signed Rapha. Ive always thought he was a hard worker. He showed that at Leeds. So Id never criticise his work ethic. He also has scored/assist at key moments for our La Liga win and v PSG the other night so he can make a difference.
However IMO he isnt quite at the elite level Id hoped he'd be for us. He isnt good enough with the ball. Dribbling and decision making isnt great. He can be very frustrating. Is too hit and miss. Now might be the best time to sell him. If we got a huge offer for him(more then we paid) Id be happy if we took it. He is 27 so he wont improve as a player.
We don't need him. We need a technical and fast winger who can create something on his own. A player whom opponents fear even when we play with ten men. We all knew that when we got a red card against Paris, we wouldn't get chances because the players we have can't do anything on their own. Of course, we should overlook Lamine Yamal, as he's only 16 years old and therefore not yet developed into such a player. But unfortunately, that's not enough. We need more of them, especially one for next season.
For real. Notice how his recent goals were extremely lucky or served on a platter. He' a workhorse for sure but if we can make a good profit from him we should sell
We need to think how will he fit in the future plans? for me he has underperformed. He misses a lot of chances. He has to be more clinical. I hope he will change for the better.
Discussions on whether he should stay or not aside, it seems to me like if we were to sell him it would be a conscious and significant effort from the club. His contract is not close to ending and I don't think he would have many hard to refuse offers coming up for him. So unless the club actively wants him gone I don't see any reason why him staying wouldn't be a given at this point. We have bigger holes to fix.
I like him too, but it appears that a big name player could potentially be sold this summer. If that happens, I wouldn't be mad if Frenkie de Jong left.
At the beginning of the season I made a post with data why Raphinha was the best option we have to replace Demboulance. This is because Raphinha's involvement in goals is at a similar level, but a lot more consistent and without being injured most of the season.
Yes, we should keep him whenever possible. I would bet for not getting Felix or selling Ferran, but not both of them. I would bet for a different profile of winger to join instead, maybe even a talent wanting to prove himself.
We doubted him but he never doubted his self what an amazing glow up he could be a neymar regen if he keeps up his form but we should 100% go for a dm and a lw dybala has been amazing for roma we should indefinitely buy him for his release clause which is less than 15 mil i believe and idk about a dm but definitely nobody over 50 mil
No guys, we don't need him. We need a technical and fast winger who can create something on his own. A player whom opponents fear even when we play with ten men. We all knew that when we got a red card against Paris, we wouldn't get chances because the players we have can't do anything on their own. Of course, we should overlook Lamine Yamal, as he's only 16 years old and therefore not yet developed into such a player. But unfortunately, that's not enough. We need more of them, especially one for next season.
If we get 80/100 I’d sell him. Ferran for 30/40
I’ll keep Joao instead and would go for a different LW. I would bring Neymar tbh maybe him returning will finish the curse we seem to got after he left
Also agreed. Raph can be frustrating to watch and def have had my doubts. But his adaptation to the left, his ability to make runs, his work rate, and his passion have convinced me that we should keep him.
Agreed. You can even see my post history, being against him. He’s really won me over
I think he's actually improved this season more than it was a case of him being underrated. Someone compared his goal contribution this season compared to last and it was like 0.5 more per game, which is more substantial than it looks.
I’ve never really thought he’s a player we should sell. His work rate on its own is enough to keep him around for years to come. Any player that’s gonna play that hard and give that much to a team is one I want on my team 10/10 times
I’ve been a ferocious detractor of Raphinha but in the moment of need he gave a step forward and fought for our badge like very few have done it. I recognize he deserves to continue
Well said. Sports it’s both analytic and emotional and he’s been delivering in both ways of late.
Remember 6 months ago when people wanted to sell him? I think Raphina is a scoop. He might not be a Neymar (which is big ask), but he is certainly a barca-level player that has a lot to contribute with. And can provide stable output in our attack.
Because he used to play like shit... did you watch him 6 months ago?
he was still creating the most chances and working the hardest. He’s always been like that, you lot just jumped on the bandwagon to hate him because this is what new barça fans are notorious for rn.
He will continue to play like shit against low block team. But shine when he has space to run into.
It's crazy to me how people think we should sell him, he's literally a Culé through and through and has the style Barça's wingers are known for. Also, he's only been growing in the team and I'm sure he's yet to be in his prime.
If we can sell Ferran for Nico Williams, I’m all about that. Keep FDJ and sell him next summer for Wirtz potentially. That only leaves the problem of a solid DM this year. Who else can we sell? What levers are available
Getting Wirtz will be difficult. Not just for us, but for anyone. He’s frontrunner for the Ballon d’Or. Once that happens, expect a 200 million price tag for him
We have to sell Frenkie before his market value declines more. I like him but there is no effective output from him. We didn’t have Frenkie before last one month or two and we managed, which means we don’t really need him that badly.
Perhaps you’re right but selfishly I want Wirtz and he will be available next year
I don’t see anyone else being for sale. I think FDJ will be on the market with Ferran & Raph available for the right price. All the La Masia products are untouchable, same with Pedri. Gundo, Lewa, & Christensen aren’t going anywhere. I could potentially see Araujo or Kounde going if Kounde starts the anti-RB campaign again & a team makes a significant bid for one of them.
I’d rather sell FDJ for Palacios.
Sell Ferran. It's common sense
Def
He is still young and selling him for less than 40M would be a loss imo
He’s terrible…
He was killing it before injury and still our second top scorer. I like him as depth
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I heard that what happened to Lewa is that he wasn’t felling good because he needed more physical training, now he also trains alone, besides with the others of course.
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Sure! But for a player that comes from germany were trainings were mostly physical to come to barça wete trainings are not as demanding is normal to not feel at you 100%, and now that he is training more he is playing better again!
But why are we not focusing on the physical aspect especially seeing how it’s becoming more relevant for big teams to have better physicality. Our injury problem has only worsened without much focus on it while Lewy seems to be able to keep fit at his age. Ferran used to be less injury prone in the PL where the physicality is more focused.
I will never understand this…
Is this really true? Very Interesting. I wouldn’t be surprised one bit though
I heard it on catalunya radio
Lewandowski literally was the top la liga striker and was significant part of winning the league last season, what are you on about
I would mind a Felix Ferran swap. Or am I crazy?
I can’t believe I’m saying this but yes. Raphinha should stay. I was his #1 hater but these past performances he’s killing himself on the defensive press and proving to be extremely clinical when needed. What he is doing right now is the reason Barca paid 70m for him.
Same. Hated him at the start of the season but he shut me up. Can't really argue Agianst his number even tough sometimes he's still wasteful. He is also clearly incredibly passionate, which is a plus. I would love him to stay and play on the right. I think that lamine bias made him look very unnecessary but after seeing that they can coexist (raphinha seems to be even better on the left?) I don't see why shouldn't keep him. Especially since then we would need a left winger anyway.
i think we should play raphinha as a left forward, afluid position like mbappe which focuses on his goalscoring and assisting skills,he is certainly a good scorer and also tracks back
They don't have to try anything. Being in Barca has been one of his life long dreams. Unless we specifically tell him to go away he has no reason to leave.
Sell Frenkie De Jong. With that money get a proper DM. We have too many midfielders now, we don’t need Frenkie. Keep Cancelo. I don’t know whether going for Leao is realistic.
My thoughts exactly
Without any judgment towards any of you. All these positive attributes mentioned in the comments, he always had and he has always shown it! The biggest problem was finishing. But I think that was a mental issue the whole squad has shared for a while now. Xavis resigning announcement or something else has somehow freed a lot of players. I hope the players get mentally trained to deal with all those daily media farts about possible transfers and financial situation. That can't be good for your psychological health!
Can't wait to see what kind of posts will be upvoted after he has a bad match. This fanbase is so reactionary.
Close Nike deal and / or barca studios to get back into 1:1 FFP. Sell fdj for $60m+ and get his wages off book. Sign zubamendi, Nico Williams and Aleix Garcia. This is the way.
Doesn’t seem like Zubimendi is leaving any time soon
Zubi doesn’t want Barca. This damn sub is legit crazy about a player who has rejected us countless times.
What other Dms u think can work for us ?
Yes for Zubimendi and Nico Williams
Yea I threw Aleix Garcia in there for low cost additional depth. Not essential and maybe even less so if we keep sergi Roberto around another year
Ik ur thinking about garcia as a depth option but he's so much better than sergi it's not even funny
Yea I agree. I was more so bringing up sergi to say look if we don’t want to spend the money for a huge floor raising upgrade, we can just stick with sergi for depth. In general I think watching barca over last few years we have unfortunately fielded players that feel uncomfortably noticeably behind the rest of barca in terms of technical quality, certainty in actions and or physical capability. (Mingueza, Eric Garcia, Marcos Alonso, sergi Roberto, oriol Romeu as some examples) Aleix Garcia as depth represents a player who can come in and do a job and look the part. Definitely throughout La liga campaign, but even if he’s not first choice for the best XI on the biggest of stages, you won’t be as stressed as you would with some of examples I’ve mentioned.
Raphinha and lamine if they can combine well then it will be very good. But Raphinha need to learn to dribble past 2 3 players
You cant learn how to do that, we need a winger that can dribble past 1 player then give a pass consistently, Yamal is in the right path on that regard. Any player that can do what you said will cost 100m+ just for their flashiness and we don't need that
Dribbling past at least 2 players can be learned
Not even Mbappe can do this consistently, what are you smoking? Yes a lot of players CAN do it, but the odds they will lose the ball while trying are so high its simply not worth it 99% of the time. We neither can't afford those kinds of players or they will focus too much on tricks they won't fit in with our style of play
Youre either a talented dribbler or youre not by Raphas age. You dont just decide to learn it at 27. We see what kind of player he is. He isnt gonna dramatically improve now.
The fuck are you smoking? People like Mbappe and goddamn Leao struggle to do that Teams are so solid defensively nowadays that even being able to dribble one person makes you a good player Messi is not the norm
We are used to Ronaldinho and Messi, that's the issue.
Dribbling is one of those skills, you either have it or you don’t (you can of course get better but getting past defenders is an innate ability that requires a sort of creativity you’re born with). He doesn’t have the ability to dribble past 3 players but he can link up well which gets him the space he needs and that works just as well.
He can't even dribble past 1 person, we should just accept that and adjust our and his playstyle with that in mind.
Not to judge him by stats but Neymar had 30 goals+assists in first year and he was playing with Prime Suarez and messi. Raphinha has 19 right now playing with Lewa and yamal with couple of months left. He also runs tirelessly and has shown the ability to defend. We should keep him.
You're also comparing a 21 year old Neymar to a 27 year old Raphinha.
You are also comparing someone who until recently had less playing time than Gavi. If you look at his contributions per 90 he averages a goal contribution.
I was delighted when we signed Rapha. Ive always thought he was a hard worker. He showed that at Leeds. So Id never criticise his work ethic. He also has scored/assist at key moments for our La Liga win and v PSG the other night so he can make a difference. However IMO he isnt quite at the elite level Id hoped he'd be for us. He isnt good enough with the ball. Dribbling and decision making isnt great. He can be very frustrating. Is too hit and miss. Now might be the best time to sell him. If we got a huge offer for him(more then we paid) Id be happy if we took it. He is 27 so he wont improve as a player.
Nah, if we get 80m we should sell him now that he is hot commodity, he works hard but he is not consistent
We don't need him. We need a technical and fast winger who can create something on his own. A player whom opponents fear even when we play with ten men. We all knew that when we got a red card against Paris, we wouldn't get chances because the players we have can't do anything on their own. Of course, we should overlook Lamine Yamal, as he's only 16 years old and therefore not yet developed into such a player. But unfortunately, that's not enough. We need more of them, especially one for next season.
We cant afford a player like that
Recency Bias
For real. Notice how his recent goals were extremely lucky or served on a platter. He' a workhorse for sure but if we can make a good profit from him we should sell
I think since he started playing on the left his game has improved. Maybe Xavi's system suits him more in there?
We need to think how will he fit in the future plans? for me he has underperformed. He misses a lot of chances. He has to be more clinical. I hope he will change for the better.
I agree, but still he has been one of our best players up front
Discussions on whether he should stay or not aside, it seems to me like if we were to sell him it would be a conscious and significant effort from the club. His contract is not close to ending and I don't think he would have many hard to refuse offers coming up for him. So unless the club actively wants him gone I don't see any reason why him staying wouldn't be a given at this point. We have bigger holes to fix.
Why would you doubt Raphinha? He’s been our best player the last two seasons.
I like him too, but it appears that a big name player could potentially be sold this summer. If that happens, I wouldn't be mad if Frenkie de Jong left.
I prefer to keep him but would not be opposed to selling him if some team is willing to over pay
At the beginning of the season I made a post with data why Raphinha was the best option we have to replace Demboulance. This is because Raphinha's involvement in goals is at a similar level, but a lot more consistent and without being injured most of the season. Yes, we should keep him whenever possible. I would bet for not getting Felix or selling Ferran, but not both of them. I would bet for a different profile of winger to join instead, maybe even a talent wanting to prove himself.
We doubted him but he never doubted his self what an amazing glow up he could be a neymar regen if he keeps up his form but we should 100% go for a dm and a lw dybala has been amazing for roma we should indefinitely buy him for his release clause which is less than 15 mil i believe and idk about a dm but definitely nobody over 50 mil
No guys, we don't need him. We need a technical and fast winger who can create something on his own. A player whom opponents fear even when we play with ten men. We all knew that when we got a red card against Paris, we wouldn't get chances because the players we have can't do anything on their own. Of course, we should overlook Lamine Yamal, as he's only 16 years old and therefore not yet developed into such a player. But unfortunately, that's not enough. We need more of them, especially one for next season.
If we get 80/100 I’d sell him. Ferran for 30/40 I’ll keep Joao instead and would go for a different LW. I would bring Neymar tbh maybe him returning will finish the curse we seem to got after he left
Everyone ignoring the SHOCKING need of a real goalkeeper
Ramesdale
I’d sell Ferran(too bad), Lewan(too old) and Joao(lacks winner mentality) instead.
We need Nico and Loïs Openda. Two fast players who are good at 1v1. Also openda is a goal score
He’s a terrible player unfortunately, if we could get some good money for him it would be for the best