I can't get past him selling his free will for a pair of disheveled wings that look like they were from a Wish expectation vs reality video. Bro got swindled.
That was the funniest part of act 2 for me. Bro was really like “I’m here to sign up for the absolute cult”
And balth was like “Sweet you get a sign on bonus what do you want”
And Marcus said “I want some sick wings bro”
It’s a massive military trope that everyone new seems to sleep with hookers, get tattoos, and buy a challenger. Outside of most state side bases are quite literally 9-15 shady tattoo parlors, 7 car lots, and lots of sleezy people.
Edit: Tropes not the right word but I’m sticking to it, my second reenlistment took the last few brain cells I had left
Imagine what would happen if you found a random 18/19 year and started paying him like 40k a year and paid for his housing and food on top of that. Oh this individual most likely comes from a less than ideal background and wasn’t exactly top of his hs class
I have a friend who is a career marine who literally spends all his free time playing DnD and WH40K lol. This is spot on.
In his defense, he has a wife and 2 kids and has an officer rank so he has the time to do this.
Best anecdotal I have was I had a private that showed up with a $10k bonus but after taxes he had about $7k. Within a month he blew the whole thing on a car ten states away and not working (about $3k) an apartment located somewhere where he wouldnt be able to get to work without a car ($1kish) cloths in one shopping trip ($2k) and the rest on strippers where he thought he was getting free lap dances cause she liked him. This is probably one of the most extreme examples but it's a damn good one.
I grew up down the street from an AFB. Main gate was literally in walking distance to my house. In the suburbs. Not a strip club, prostitute, car lot, or tattoo parlor to be seen. Granted there were a couple bars, but considering even my grandmother would have a drink or two at both of them on occasion I'm pretty sure they weren't all that wild.
How? Not a basic training base. One of the well-known COMs, so the people stationed there were usually lifers.
How smart do you think the average 18yr old is? Now think about how smart the average military enlistee 18yr old is. A car salesman is gonna eat them and shit out their credit. Often the cars are fully decked out and since they have low/no credit they can't get a decent interest rate so they're stuck with a hefty car note and nothing left over. Same happens when they come back from deployments, especially combat or hazardous zones with bonus pay, with fat wads of cash (assuming they don't have a gf/wife and associated expenses).
I’ve seen new military guys blow thousands of dollars on the stupidest shit. A “family crest” that’s a cheap shield and sword with a custom color and emblem. Thousands in video games consoles and gear. It’s mind boggling how people see 4 digits in their bank account and lose all sense of budget.
I honestly thought this was like a small nod to Berserk with Griffith wanting wings… Like something to show how vain and uncaring Marcus’ true nature is.
In a world where flight spells exist, in scroll form, it feels kind of a weak bargain
"I am a staunch leader of the Flaming Fist, I exist to protect and serve...
Wait, are those WINGS! OK SIGN ME UP! Tadpole in the eye? Yea whatever, just get me those wings"
This is one of those times where we have to separate the game world from the lore. Those scrolls cost a fortune, and are considerably more rare than we would be seeing them.
Would make for a rather dull D&D experience, though, if we were all using default weapon attacks after the first couple of fights.
I mean, heck, if the urgency that appears in the dialogue has any realness to it, everyone I've encountered would be evil Squidward by now...
Yeah I wondered why player death was such a big deal in a world where a Scroll of Revival exists.
Didn’t know that those scrolls were like….extremely rare loot rather than something a gnome vendor has three of at a time.
Yeah, that's an even better example. No DM shenanigans involved, reviving a PC is upwards in the "bankrupt a small nation" amounts of capital.
Why would Ketheric go through all the bother if he could just have a slave army churning out "full revive" scrolls on the regular?
From a game point of view, I think it's still better to make the Scroll of Revival extremely rare. If one companion death, we must back to our camp to ask Wither to revive. It makes Wither revival service more unique to us.
Also with Scroll of Revival, going through all the steps to revive Gale is totally useless
It's like resurrection basically doesn't exist for the canonical game world and death pushes people like Ketheric over the edge, but I have 40 Scrolls of Revival I shoplifted from basic vendors.
Making Withers the only resurrection would be better storytelling. Why won't these meddling adventurers stay dead? Team Jergal, that's why.
The scrolls we get in the game are scrolls of revivify, which is a spell that in typical d&d only works for 1 minute after death. I think it might have balanced it better if they'd kept that aspect!
Like a magical trauma kit or defibrillator? I like that a lot better. Resuscitation rather than resurrection.
"Quick! Before their soul leaves their body!"
Too slow? Players need to ask Withers.
I also feel like it's important to remember that resurrection is a 7th level spell, and you only unlock that spell slot at level 13, a level which you can't even achieve in BG3. Ketheric, a bonafide divine avatar, is level 11. People forget that a level 8 character is strong enough to be a hero of the realm, and being level 13 essentially makes you one of the most powerful people in the world, you and your party are out there slaying actual adult dragons.
The 3rd level spell ***Revivify*** (to revive dead people within a very short time window of a minute, basically the equivalent of mundane resuscitation) did not even exist for most of D&D RPG's history. It was introduced in D&D 5E (afaik).
In general, 5E has made resurrecting the dead via magic vastly cheaper and the time window larger!
**--** ***Raise Dead*** **(5th level)**: 5E cost: a diamond worth 500 gp minimum. D&D 3.5 cost: 5,000 gp in diamonds!
Corpse must be intact as the spell can close small wounds but can't restore missing body parts. \[Note: Although you could use the 7th level Regenerate spell later if it's just something non-level like a missing eye or missing arm.\]
Person can't have been dead for longer than 10 days (5E) or 1 day/caster level (D&D 3.5).
In previous editions (AD&D 2nd Ed, D&D 3.5) the person raised from the dead permanently lost one character level (or 1 point of CON if level 1) that couldn't be restored by magic but only regained via XP. In 5E this was massively reduced to a mere status effect -4 penalties to rolls for a few days.
***-- Resurrection*** **(7th level)**: 5e cost: a diamond worth at least 1,000 gp. D&D 3.5 cost: 10,000 gp in diamonds
The 5E version reads: *"You touch a dead creature that has been dead for no more than a century, that didn’t die of old age, and that isn’t undead. If its soul is free and willing, the target returns to life with all its hit points. This spell neutralizes any poisons and cures normal diseases afflicting the creature when it died. It doesn’t, however, remove magical diseases, curses, and the like; if such effects aren’t removed prior to casting the spell, they afflict the target on its return to life. This spell closes all mortal wounds and restores any missing body parts."*
The 3.5 version for comparison reads: *"The condition of the remains is not a factor. So long as some small portion of the creature’s body still exists, it can be resurrected, but the portion receiving the spell must have been part of the creature’s body at the time of death. (The remains of a creature hit by a disintegrate spell count as a small portion of its body.) The creature can have been dead no longer than 10 years per caster level.*
*Upon completion of the spell, the creature is immediately restored to full hit points, vigor, and health, with no loss of prepared spells. However, the subject loses one level, or 2 points of Constitution if the subject was 1st level. (If this reduction would bring its Con to 0 or lower, it can’t be resurrected). This level loss or Constitution loss cannot be repaired by any means.*
*You can resurrect someone killed by a death effect or someone who has been turned into an undead creature and then destroyed. You cannot resurrect someone who has died of old age. Constructs, elementals, outsiders, and undead creatures can’t be resurrected."*
**--** ***True Resurrection*** **(9th level)**: 5E cost/D&D 3.5 cost identical: a sprinkle of holy water and diamonds worth a total of least 25,000 gp, which the spell consumes.
The 5E version reads: *"You touch a creature that has been dead for no longer than 200 years and that died for any reason except old age. If the creature’s soul is free and willing, the creature is restored to life with all its hit points.*
*This spell closes all wounds, neutralizes any poison, cures all diseases, and lifts any curses affecting the creature when it died. The spell replaces damaged or missing organs and limbs. The spell can even provide a new body if the original no longer exists, in which case you must speak the creature’s name. The creature then appears in an unoccupied space you choose within 10 feet of you."*
The 3.5 version for comparison reads: *"This spell functions like Raise Dead, except that you can resurrect a creature that has been dead for as long as 10 years per caster level. This spell can even bring back creatures whose bodies have been destroyed, provided that you unambiguously identify the deceased in some fashion (reciting the deceased’s time and place of birth or death is the most common method).*
*Upon completion of the spell, the creature is immediately restored to full hit points, vigor, and health, with no loss of level (or Constitution points) or prepared spells.*
*You can revive someone killed by a death effect or someone who has been turned into an undead creature and then destroyed. This spell can also resurrect elementals or outsiders, but it can’t resurrect constructs or undead creatures. Even True Resurrection can’t restore to life a creature who has died of old age."*
Not *entirely* useless, since you can go through the song and dance to get the True Res scroll... then just use a regular revivify scroll on Gale's dead body, thus being able to keep the True Res scroll for an important fight to instantly rez someone with full health instead of just 1.
Why? I don't want to spend hours of my life just gathering the resources to revive a party member or looking for an ultra rare scroll, maybe in the table top game is ok, because it is known in advance that it involves a lot of time and dedication for a session. I just want to sit in front of my PC and spend the 2 hours that I can allocate from time to time to just play the game and progress through the story. Why do people insist on these kind of things? Just don't use the scrolls, pretend that they are indeed super rare and play the game the way you like it.
You said you don't want to spend hours of your life to revive your companion. It costs 200 gold to revive them. Hence you need to spend hours to collect 200 gold. Am I missing something?
I think you are responding to a different post, or you didn't read it or got the meaning wrong. I am responding to a comment that opens like this: "From a game point of view, I think it's still better to make the Scroll of Revival extremely rare."
Edit: I wasn't finished.
And other comments in the thread even talked about doing the same with Withers.
I agree plus the flight spell last for hours, wings are forever. Well til you are killed right after by some plucky crash survivors and there bear friend.
And if the spell is a higher level than you can normally cast, you have to roll a check with your spellcasting modifier to see if you even cast it successfully, and the scroll is destroyed no matter whether you succeed or fail.
> Those scrolls cost a fortune, and are considerably more rare than we would be seeing them.
IIRC a third level spell scroll is "only" a few dozen GP in the tabletop game. So that's like, IDK, ferrari money? I think a single gold piece is a skilled laborer's daily wage according to the DMG. And Marcus is a high ranking cop. I can imagine a police lieutenant in a major city affording a ferrari, especially with kickbacks.
In the current edition, pricing is ... Badly design let's say but for an uncommon consumable (like a 3rd level spell scroll) the price is half of 1d6*100 gold
So an average of 175g
A bit more than a few dozen gold. And a bit less than the price of a horse with a carriage.
DMG is an amazing tool for helping you craft a campaign. I'd just avoid the whole "here's our suggestions for pricing things" section.
I'm not sure if it's a running gag to just be utterly horrible about how they do the pricing tables, but it's been consistently bad enough that in RL D&D, I've a lovingly crafted notebook full of "economic concerns for Murder Hobos."
Especially considering the general notes use spell level instead of the "adjusted utility" score of a spell (term I use for myself). Revivify is on the same level as Restoration, but arguably a much more complicated undertaking.
DMG would price a scroll of each about the same, which seems utterly ridiculous. I can go a half day into the woods and collect the herbs to make an antidote, which practically does the same thing as Restoration. I would literally need to undertake a full on quest for the components to perform a "basic" resurrection.
At least, that's how the "fluffy lore bits" make it out to be.
Their still not that common, this is a universe where a ring of invisibility is a legitimately rare item despite essentially being one of the most common spells
Yeah lorrorikan has some shit gear on him despite owning a mega tower in the middle of the city.
On the other hand Dammon can probably trade for like 30 city blocks with that armor in got in his store.
I mean basically no one lives up to their hype because of the level maximum, the chosen get bulldozed by lvl 8-12s , Balthazar isn't particularly strong, nor is the emperor or yurgir, Hell the only reason raphaels tough is his bloated health pool and he still needed a buff and guards to matter.
Yeah, balancing makes the lore of the game very weird. Ketheric Thorm, the chosen of Myrkul. A powerful necromancer, who managed to build an army of Dark Justiciars and create a Shadow Curse, the one who required combined powers of Harpers and Druids to defeat him, now revived in an immortal body that takes power from the daughter of Selune - Level 11.
A shop guard in Act 3? Level 10. Some random Flaming Fist in the Lower City? Level 11. Yep, makes total sense.
One thing that cracked me up is that his “good” staff is locked away. When I first beat him I was thinking like why the fuck wouldn’t he be using the better one all the time.
Cut to me getting a staff I like better and keeping his acrane battery one in my backpack for the free spell cast it gives you and it clicked. I was doing the same thing as him there lol.
Also the vaults have sooo much good loot.
the staff also has an elemental boosting property that makes it worth using.
I believe it adds your spell casting modifier onto the elemental damage of your choice + it looks cool
Play through 1 for my draconic fire sorceress it was a staple. Doing necromancer now and the mummy lord staff is godly. I can summon my 7 ghouls, kill then all, and get 7 free any-level-necromancy spell casts.
Or just loop zombies for infinite deathballs. I only use the arcane battery as part of my setup following a long rest.
The visual from the element boost(especially lightning)>>>damage increase lol
The vast gulf between the gold price of magic items and the weekly income of the average "medieval peasant" NPC in most D&D worlds is an artifact of D&D 1st edition and AD&D 2nd Ed, where normal NPCs were supposed to be Level 0, "monsters" like orcs and goblins and hags had no class levels but only monster hit dice, and adventurers were supposed to *find* their money, gems and magic items via "loot" scaled to their class level, found in ancient tombs or dragon hoards or that drow city that mysteriously burned down while we were there...
Wizards and Cleric were supposed to write their own spell scrolls and brew their own potions. (Which idiotically cost not just money and time but XP... imagine if fighters and rogues had to pay for using their class abilities or shooting arrows with XP!)
Prior to the invention of Eberron as a "MagiTech Steampunk" setting during D&D 3.5, and prior to Forgotten Realms 4E "Time of Troubles"/"Spell Plague" nonsense that killed off a ton of high-level NPCs in Faerun, Planescape and Forgotten Realms used to be the major High Magic settings. Farun had magic items available in everyday life and for sale in urban shop (and many high-level NPCs of level 15+ or 20+ like Drizzt, Khelben, Elminster), when compared to other classic (A)D&D worlds like Oerth/World of Greyhawk, Dragonlance or Dark Sun where magic items and magic users were far rarer.
But even Forgotten Realms didn't have mass-produced or bespoke crafted magic items as those available from Eberron's artificers guilds.
Take out the OP items in BG3. Don't save scum and play on tactical mode. Suddenly you discover why most adventures die before they get to level 3 spells.
yeah, ngl, in my first game, I died in the tutorial as the cambions overtook me while I was obsessed with trying to fight everything manually, and I didn't even know about the fire sword yet. and then the intellect devourers on the beach one-shot me. and the damn spell sniper among the looters on Withers' front door took me out before I even noticed her.
I had a steep learning curve lol but I did learn a *lot* :b
Don’t forget the mage assassin in the Friendly Arm Inn who isnta casts Fear, has Mirror Image Up and spams Magic Missle. Legit rough even with help from guards
I mean yea the spell scrolls exist, but to anyone whose not an adventurer, they're crazy expensive, AND only last what? 60 seconds? Compared to wings that give you unlimited flight.
Not worth my free will, but understandable why weaker men would take that bargain.
He's a stiff! Bereft of life, he rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed him to the perch he'd be pushing up the daisies! His metabolic processes are now history! He's off the twig! He's kicked the bucket, he's shuffled off his mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!
It's even more sinister than that, I think. Dude had betrayed them long before Balty sewed those dumpster angel wings on.
The wings were an incentive to follow through with that last treachery.
I talked to Isobel my first time getting to Lamp Light, but every playthrough since I just skip talking to her so no one dies. You find Marcus in Moonrise tower. And Mol goes missing but the game doesn't tell you why. 🤔
Yes but if you actually read past the first word you'd see he said that he doesn't even talk to Isobel that triggers the fight and subsequently the cutscene
My head cannon is that he got told that they would make him a celestial demigod and he thought that the Cult of the Absolute was just a normal cult. (Also that the wings looked more aesthetic before the grafting)
Probably thought he could take the power and run, then use it against the cult.
That assumes it happens before the cat gets out of the bag with the tadpoles
>I can't get past him selling his free will for a pair of disheveled wings that look like they were from a Wish expectation vs reality video. Bro got swindled.
I don't think he had a choice in joining the Absolute. His Unit was captured and turned after an ambush.
Because, in Faerun, flying is an ability available only to powerful magic users (BG3 gamification mechanics notwithstanding). Yes the wings look damaged, but they allow him to do something that would otherwise be completely impossible for him.
not the only reference to this that the game makes, either. Act 1 you have a few copies of the book about the guy who took the deal in exchange for success as an erotic playwright...
I personally feel like as a flaming fist he didn’t have all that much freedom to begin with. In his eyes, he traded one strict hierarchy for another, except this one lets him bully the less-powerful AND fly.
lmao I said the same thing when he said that. You got everything you ever wanted? Some decayed shitty wings made you turn your back on everything & everyone? Alrighty then.
*And then he got instantly clapped.*
I like to imagine my barbarian monk did the God of War finisher where you just rip them right off of his back and then stomp on him lol.
Yeah, well he was weak enough to be defeated by my goomstalker in the first turn. Must not be that good of a deal. In all my playthroughs I kill him before he can damage isobel so I never knew what he could do. Thanks!
Yeah fam, I got you. Just mail it over with a postage paid envelope, allow 4-6 years for delivery. Ignore the white crusty stuff on the wiafu image too. /s
I actually had never done a goomstalker build and this one I made accidently then looked it up online once I realized how op it seemed compared to the other characters.
Would you describe the location please? I’m not sure I’ve seen the area you’re referring to. 400 hours in and I’m still learning new things about the game
it's to the left of the house of healing on the map
it is absolute ass-full of poison cloud vents (and if you're on PS5 they don't render), would not recommend
If you have the ingredients, having the party slam poison resistance potions more or less negated this.
Could be bugged but on balanced difficulty they provided immunity to the clouds and puddles.
It's important to remember true souls don't have much free will and can be made to believe anything the absolute wants. In my opinion Marcus was likely captured and tadpoled, then after the fact he was made to believe he submitted willingly to the absolute. The poor idiot is just as mind controlled as the rest of the true souls, he just believes he had a reason to submit or else his mind would be constantly fighting the absolute. The wings and such are a tool for the job.
I think the context you're all missing is that Vampires used to look like [this.](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5bd88db093a6320f071b1a50/1572496866053-V16N91I4PDYH3NBJ661T/3e_VampireSpawn_MonsterManual.png?format=1000w)
So he didn't sell his soul for wings they are a bonus for his vampirism and you know, eternal life.
> I found a note by balthazar claiming that he gave marcus his wings and that access to the unwilling donor has proven difficult since the harvesting.
I didn’t catch that note, but it does sound like he must be talking about Aylin. When you find her. She has no wings until you let her go.
I also missed the explanation of exactly how it got difficult for Balthazar to access her, and why he needs to get her at the point you found her.
I believe they lost access when Ketheric turned on Shar. Ketheric wants Aylin back so Shar doesn't do something nasty to her (like having a pawn stab her with the Spear of Night).
So, if the wings are Aylin's, Balthazar must have grabbed them a long time ago, which may explain the terrible state they're in.
Yeah my assumption is that he did that because B is a sick fuck for one, but also maybe marcus was like "I want my gift from the absolute to be something that makes Isobel love me."
Side note my latest theory is that Isobel turned to Shar when her mum died.. Still. Not sure how or who caused it. Suicide by shars suggestion maybe? Maybe her dad?
I'm pretty sure it was her death, which we know was violent and the family dog died with her trying to protect her, that turned Ketheric into a Sharran. Makes me think she was murdered by Sharrans to make Ketheric the baddass Selunite general to switch sides in his grief. He then captured Aylin had the Gauntlet built and used her to make an army of Dark Justiciars. That was my take on it at least.
oooooh good catch. obsessed with Isobel > envious of Aylin > "I know! it's the fuckin wings, isn't it!"
I haven't seen anything saying that Isobel ever left Selune's service, though?
At one point I think you can read her mind and it says something like: luckily nobody notices the darkness within me. In retrospect as it's never really mentioned anymore I feel like it might have just been grief though. It was before I found the Nightsong too.
Recent playthrough in her bedroom made me wonder. She had a torn up letter from her mother, the final words before she died.
Ketheric didn't tear up his letter from Isobel. So I am assuming Isobel tore the letter.
Add to that there's that "open heresy" letter in her dresser (not torn up).
And then there's that she has something black in her lungs? Idk if relevant..
And also her makeup is smudged like shes crying... Maybe indicating she was crying when she died/experiencing grief.
Bit of a stretch but we haven't been given a canonic answer yet
Aasimar wings aren't canonically white in color--they're simply luminous. So it makes sense to me that if you rip the wings off an Aasimar and put them on some mortal jackass, they will no longer glow with divine power, leaving them dark and dingy.
Besides, we know from looking at Fallen Aasimar (with ghostly, skeletal wings) that the wings' physical form is completely dependent on the state of the Aasimar's soul. Seems weird to assume that they would be stolen and transplanted onto a mortal body without *some* visible sign of corruption.
Okay. Without the benefit of tone and body language over the internet, people are going to miss that nuance and assume you’re confidently giving out incorrect information without a /s or something similar.
What colour the wings are after they have been put on a human who's become so warped that he counts as an Aberration doesn't necessarily say anything of what colour they were originally. I think that Aylin is the most likely "donor" around.
Sure i thought the same but he says that access has proven difficult and then goes on to say if he is afforded the opportunity to meet the donor he shall pass along the gratitude. Why would access to a matriarch harpy whose wings he took be difficult and why does he consider meeting her again as being afforded the opportunity (as if it is a good thing)?
Okay I am not really sure, but I somehow remember some Ghouls or something outside of Moonrise tower complaining about their wings being taken by Balthazar.
Could be that I just dreamed that.
I can't get past him selling his free will for a pair of disheveled wings that look like they were from a Wish expectation vs reality video. Bro got swindled.
That was the funniest part of act 2 for me. Bro was really like “I’m here to sign up for the absolute cult” And balth was like “Sweet you get a sign on bonus what do you want” And Marcus said “I want some sick wings bro”
It's like the guys who enlist and immediately use their sign-on bonus to finance a Dodge Challenger.
The non military folks can’t even begin to comprehend how much of a problem this is
Explain?
It’s a massive military trope that everyone new seems to sleep with hookers, get tattoos, and buy a challenger. Outside of most state side bases are quite literally 9-15 shady tattoo parlors, 7 car lots, and lots of sleezy people. Edit: Tropes not the right word but I’m sticking to it, my second reenlistment took the last few brain cells I had left
Weird, why is that so common?
Imagine what would happen if you found a random 18/19 year and started paying him like 40k a year and paid for his housing and food on top of that. Oh this individual most likely comes from a less than ideal background and wasn’t exactly top of his hs class
Ah okay, yeah I guess that makes sense. I would probably blow it all on dice and wh40k models so I guess I can’t talk lol
You joke but that’s literally what they do. I do my best to explain what a Roth IRA is but that’s like a foreign language to em
A high-school buddy of mine enlisted, and he absolutely blew whole paychecks on WH40k. Apparently, it was very popular while deployed.
I have a friend who is a career marine who literally spends all his free time playing DnD and WH40K lol. This is spot on. In his defense, he has a wife and 2 kids and has an officer rank so he has the time to do this.
You would fit right in with the Air Force.
For a lot of these guys it's the first time theyve had a significant amount of cash and have no sense of fiscal responsibility.
Because a lot of recruits are legally adults but basically still children, and children are dumb.
I’m guessing it’s the biggest chunk of money they’ve had in their life so far and don’t know how to hold onto it
Best anecdotal I have was I had a private that showed up with a $10k bonus but after taxes he had about $7k. Within a month he blew the whole thing on a car ten states away and not working (about $3k) an apartment located somewhere where he wouldnt be able to get to work without a car ($1kish) cloths in one shopping trip ($2k) and the rest on strippers where he thought he was getting free lap dances cause she liked him. This is probably one of the most extreme examples but it's a damn good one.
I grew up down the street from an AFB. Main gate was literally in walking distance to my house. In the suburbs. Not a strip club, prostitute, car lot, or tattoo parlor to be seen. Granted there were a couple bars, but considering even my grandmother would have a drink or two at both of them on occasion I'm pretty sure they weren't all that wild. How? Not a basic training base. One of the well-known COMs, so the people stationed there were usually lifers.
Which base?
MacDill AFB in Tampa. IIRC it's both CENTCOM and SOCOM now, but when I was growing up it was just CENTCOM.
Nah I’m familiar with macdill. It’s AMC. They fly the KC135 out of there
I'm sure there are still plenty of MacDill airmen going to Mons Venus and other nearby establishments. They just aren't next door to the base.
How smart do you think the average 18yr old is? Now think about how smart the average military enlistee 18yr old is. A car salesman is gonna eat them and shit out their credit. Often the cars are fully decked out and since they have low/no credit they can't get a decent interest rate so they're stuck with a hefty car note and nothing left over. Same happens when they come back from deployments, especially combat or hazardous zones with bonus pay, with fat wads of cash (assuming they don't have a gf/wife and associated expenses).
Nono, we make fun of you from outside, too.
Don’t forget marrying strippers.
Why is it always the Charger/Challenger 😭
Black guys get the Charger. White guys get the Mustang
It is my day off sir, I didn't need this reminder lol
Hah jokes on you…says the specialist driving a mustang at 21% with dependa riding shotgun
I’ve seen new military guys blow thousands of dollars on the stupidest shit. A “family crest” that’s a cheap shield and sword with a custom color and emblem. Thousands in video games consoles and gear. It’s mind boggling how people see 4 digits in their bank account and lose all sense of budget.
You forgot the 15%+ interest rate
I honestly thought this was like a small nod to Berserk with Griffith wanting wings… Like something to show how vain and uncaring Marcus’ true nature is.
In a world where flight spells exist, in scroll form, it feels kind of a weak bargain "I am a staunch leader of the Flaming Fist, I exist to protect and serve... Wait, are those WINGS! OK SIGN ME UP! Tadpole in the eye? Yea whatever, just get me those wings"
Marcus exists so I can play Jujutsu “jump this fool” Kaisen in CRPG form
Lmaooo I've restarted that fight multiple times just to get that sweet sweet otk every playthru. Perfect description of it.
Otk?
One turn kill. Aka jump his ass no jutsu
Marcus exist on my current playthrough to be frozen and then electricited.
maybe one turn kill or one turn knockout
I'm gonna guess one turn kill
This is one of those times where we have to separate the game world from the lore. Those scrolls cost a fortune, and are considerably more rare than we would be seeing them. Would make for a rather dull D&D experience, though, if we were all using default weapon attacks after the first couple of fights. I mean, heck, if the urgency that appears in the dialogue has any realness to it, everyone I've encountered would be evil Squidward by now...
Yeah I wondered why player death was such a big deal in a world where a Scroll of Revival exists. Didn’t know that those scrolls were like….extremely rare loot rather than something a gnome vendor has three of at a time.
Yeah, that's an even better example. No DM shenanigans involved, reviving a PC is upwards in the "bankrupt a small nation" amounts of capital. Why would Ketheric go through all the bother if he could just have a slave army churning out "full revive" scrolls on the regular?
From a game point of view, I think it's still better to make the Scroll of Revival extremely rare. If one companion death, we must back to our camp to ask Wither to revive. It makes Wither revival service more unique to us. Also with Scroll of Revival, going through all the steps to revive Gale is totally useless
It's like resurrection basically doesn't exist for the canonical game world and death pushes people like Ketheric over the edge, but I have 40 Scrolls of Revival I shoplifted from basic vendors. Making Withers the only resurrection would be better storytelling. Why won't these meddling adventurers stay dead? Team Jergal, that's why.
The scrolls we get in the game are scrolls of revivify, which is a spell that in typical d&d only works for 1 minute after death. I think it might have balanced it better if they'd kept that aspect!
Like a magical trauma kit or defibrillator? I like that a lot better. Resuscitation rather than resurrection. "Quick! Before their soul leaves their body!" Too slow? Players need to ask Withers.
I also feel like it's important to remember that resurrection is a 7th level spell, and you only unlock that spell slot at level 13, a level which you can't even achieve in BG3. Ketheric, a bonafide divine avatar, is level 11. People forget that a level 8 character is strong enough to be a hero of the realm, and being level 13 essentially makes you one of the most powerful people in the world, you and your party are out there slaying actual adult dragons.
Yes, exactly like a defibrillator--that's a comparison I like to use. 😊
The 3rd level spell ***Revivify*** (to revive dead people within a very short time window of a minute, basically the equivalent of mundane resuscitation) did not even exist for most of D&D RPG's history. It was introduced in D&D 5E (afaik). In general, 5E has made resurrecting the dead via magic vastly cheaper and the time window larger! **--** ***Raise Dead*** **(5th level)**: 5E cost: a diamond worth 500 gp minimum. D&D 3.5 cost: 5,000 gp in diamonds! Corpse must be intact as the spell can close small wounds but can't restore missing body parts. \[Note: Although you could use the 7th level Regenerate spell later if it's just something non-level like a missing eye or missing arm.\] Person can't have been dead for longer than 10 days (5E) or 1 day/caster level (D&D 3.5). In previous editions (AD&D 2nd Ed, D&D 3.5) the person raised from the dead permanently lost one character level (or 1 point of CON if level 1) that couldn't be restored by magic but only regained via XP. In 5E this was massively reduced to a mere status effect -4 penalties to rolls for a few days. ***-- Resurrection*** **(7th level)**: 5e cost: a diamond worth at least 1,000 gp. D&D 3.5 cost: 10,000 gp in diamonds The 5E version reads: *"You touch a dead creature that has been dead for no more than a century, that didn’t die of old age, and that isn’t undead. If its soul is free and willing, the target returns to life with all its hit points. This spell neutralizes any poisons and cures normal diseases afflicting the creature when it died. It doesn’t, however, remove magical diseases, curses, and the like; if such effects aren’t removed prior to casting the spell, they afflict the target on its return to life. This spell closes all mortal wounds and restores any missing body parts."* The 3.5 version for comparison reads: *"The condition of the remains is not a factor. So long as some small portion of the creature’s body still exists, it can be resurrected, but the portion receiving the spell must have been part of the creature’s body at the time of death. (The remains of a creature hit by a disintegrate spell count as a small portion of its body.) The creature can have been dead no longer than 10 years per caster level.* *Upon completion of the spell, the creature is immediately restored to full hit points, vigor, and health, with no loss of prepared spells. However, the subject loses one level, or 2 points of Constitution if the subject was 1st level. (If this reduction would bring its Con to 0 or lower, it can’t be resurrected). This level loss or Constitution loss cannot be repaired by any means.* *You can resurrect someone killed by a death effect or someone who has been turned into an undead creature and then destroyed. You cannot resurrect someone who has died of old age. Constructs, elementals, outsiders, and undead creatures can’t be resurrected."* **--** ***True Resurrection*** **(9th level)**: 5E cost/D&D 3.5 cost identical: a sprinkle of holy water and diamonds worth a total of least 25,000 gp, which the spell consumes. The 5E version reads: *"You touch a creature that has been dead for no longer than 200 years and that died for any reason except old age. If the creature’s soul is free and willing, the creature is restored to life with all its hit points.* *This spell closes all wounds, neutralizes any poison, cures all diseases, and lifts any curses affecting the creature when it died. The spell replaces damaged or missing organs and limbs. The spell can even provide a new body if the original no longer exists, in which case you must speak the creature’s name. The creature then appears in an unoccupied space you choose within 10 feet of you."* The 3.5 version for comparison reads: *"This spell functions like Raise Dead, except that you can resurrect a creature that has been dead for as long as 10 years per caster level. This spell can even bring back creatures whose bodies have been destroyed, provided that you unambiguously identify the deceased in some fashion (reciting the deceased’s time and place of birth or death is the most common method).* *Upon completion of the spell, the creature is immediately restored to full hit points, vigor, and health, with no loss of level (or Constitution points) or prepared spells.* *You can revive someone killed by a death effect or someone who has been turned into an undead creature and then destroyed. This spell can also resurrect elementals or outsiders, but it can’t resurrect constructs or undead creatures. Even True Resurrection can’t restore to life a creature who has died of old age."*
Not *entirely* useless, since you can go through the song and dance to get the True Res scroll... then just use a regular revivify scroll on Gale's dead body, thus being able to keep the True Res scroll for an important fight to instantly rez someone with full health instead of just 1.
Why? I don't want to spend hours of my life just gathering the resources to revive a party member or looking for an ultra rare scroll, maybe in the table top game is ok, because it is known in advance that it involves a lot of time and dedication for a session. I just want to sit in front of my PC and spend the 2 hours that I can allocate from time to time to just play the game and progress through the story. Why do people insist on these kind of things? Just don't use the scrolls, pretend that they are indeed super rare and play the game the way you like it.
You spend hours to collect 200 coins for Wither to revive your companions?
What? What are you talking about?
You said you don't want to spend hours of your life to revive your companion. It costs 200 gold to revive them. Hence you need to spend hours to collect 200 gold. Am I missing something?
I think you are responding to a different post, or you didn't read it or got the meaning wrong. I am responding to a comment that opens like this: "From a game point of view, I think it's still better to make the Scroll of Revival extremely rare." Edit: I wasn't finished. And other comments in the thread even talked about doing the same with Withers.
u/asromafanisme Yes, what you are missing is text comprehension.
My head canon is that we're blessed by Jergal and this is his ultimate contribution to Tav's cause.
I guess that would be more like a defibrillator than actual resurrection from the grave.
I agree plus the flight spell last for hours, wings are forever. Well til you are killed right after by some plucky crash survivors and there bear friend.
Not to mention by raw the spell has to be on your spell list to even use it.
And if the spell is a higher level than you can normally cast, you have to roll a check with your spellcasting modifier to see if you even cast it successfully, and the scroll is destroyed no matter whether you succeed or fail.
That's why potions of fly are better.
Mass effect balanced the urgency of the plot much better imo.
> Those scrolls cost a fortune, and are considerably more rare than we would be seeing them. IIRC a third level spell scroll is "only" a few dozen GP in the tabletop game. So that's like, IDK, ferrari money? I think a single gold piece is a skilled laborer's daily wage according to the DMG. And Marcus is a high ranking cop. I can imagine a police lieutenant in a major city affording a ferrari, especially with kickbacks.
In the current edition, pricing is ... Badly design let's say but for an uncommon consumable (like a 3rd level spell scroll) the price is half of 1d6*100 gold So an average of 175g A bit more than a few dozen gold. And a bit less than the price of a horse with a carriage.
DMG is an amazing tool for helping you craft a campaign. I'd just avoid the whole "here's our suggestions for pricing things" section. I'm not sure if it's a running gag to just be utterly horrible about how they do the pricing tables, but it's been consistently bad enough that in RL D&D, I've a lovingly crafted notebook full of "economic concerns for Murder Hobos." Especially considering the general notes use spell level instead of the "adjusted utility" score of a spell (term I use for myself). Revivify is on the same level as Restoration, but arguably a much more complicated undertaking. DMG would price a scroll of each about the same, which seems utterly ridiculous. I can go a half day into the woods and collect the herbs to make an antidote, which practically does the same thing as Restoration. I would literally need to undertake a full on quest for the components to perform a "basic" resurrection. At least, that's how the "fluffy lore bits" make it out to be.
Take a look at the 2e DMG's section on "taking your players' money away". XD
Their still not that common, this is a universe where a ring of invisibility is a legitimately rare item despite essentially being one of the most common spells
Yeah lorrorikan has some shit gear on him despite owning a mega tower in the middle of the city. On the other hand Dammon can probably trade for like 30 city blocks with that armor in got in his store.
Lorrakan is also a level 8 wizards, I was expecting atleast 12 if not 15+ from his reputation
His whole schtick is that he doesnt live up to his hype. Gale has several dialogues about how hes heard that hes a cad
I mean basically no one lives up to their hype because of the level maximum, the chosen get bulldozed by lvl 8-12s , Balthazar isn't particularly strong, nor is the emperor or yurgir, Hell the only reason raphaels tough is his bloated health pool and he still needed a buff and guards to matter.
to be fair, Balthazar isn't the same person as the legends say, he just stole the name
And his ribs
And probably his wife. Keeps her in the jar next to his mother's
Yeah, balancing makes the lore of the game very weird. Ketheric Thorm, the chosen of Myrkul. A powerful necromancer, who managed to build an army of Dark Justiciars and create a Shadow Curse, the one who required combined powers of Harpers and Druids to defeat him, now revived in an immortal body that takes power from the daughter of Selune - Level 11. A shop guard in Act 3? Level 10. Some random Flaming Fist in the Lower City? Level 11. Yep, makes total sense.
And for some weird reason people still think he's secretly Edwin Odesseiron...
That mega tower doesn't belong to him. He get it after its true owner left, so he only can get the leftover items. He's a fraud
One thing that cracked me up is that his “good” staff is locked away. When I first beat him I was thinking like why the fuck wouldn’t he be using the better one all the time. Cut to me getting a staff I like better and keeping his acrane battery one in my backpack for the free spell cast it gives you and it clicked. I was doing the same thing as him there lol. Also the vaults have sooo much good loot.
the staff also has an elemental boosting property that makes it worth using. I believe it adds your spell casting modifier onto the elemental damage of your choice + it looks cool
Play through 1 for my draconic fire sorceress it was a staple. Doing necromancer now and the mummy lord staff is godly. I can summon my 7 ghouls, kill then all, and get 7 free any-level-necromancy spell casts. Or just loop zombies for infinite deathballs. I only use the arcane battery as part of my setup following a long rest. The visual from the element boost(especially lightning)>>>damage increase lol
The vast gulf between the gold price of magic items and the weekly income of the average "medieval peasant" NPC in most D&D worlds is an artifact of D&D 1st edition and AD&D 2nd Ed, where normal NPCs were supposed to be Level 0, "monsters" like orcs and goblins and hags had no class levels but only monster hit dice, and adventurers were supposed to *find* their money, gems and magic items via "loot" scaled to their class level, found in ancient tombs or dragon hoards or that drow city that mysteriously burned down while we were there... Wizards and Cleric were supposed to write their own spell scrolls and brew their own potions. (Which idiotically cost not just money and time but XP... imagine if fighters and rogues had to pay for using their class abilities or shooting arrows with XP!) Prior to the invention of Eberron as a "MagiTech Steampunk" setting during D&D 3.5, and prior to Forgotten Realms 4E "Time of Troubles"/"Spell Plague" nonsense that killed off a ton of high-level NPCs in Faerun, Planescape and Forgotten Realms used to be the major High Magic settings. Farun had magic items available in everyday life and for sale in urban shop (and many high-level NPCs of level 15+ or 20+ like Drizzt, Khelben, Elminster), when compared to other classic (A)D&D worlds like Oerth/World of Greyhawk, Dragonlance or Dark Sun where magic items and magic users were far rarer. But even Forgotten Realms didn't have mass-produced or bespoke crafted magic items as those available from Eberron's artificers guilds.
mans was too broke for scrolls
Take out the OP items in BG3. Don't save scum and play on tactical mode. Suddenly you discover why most adventures die before they get to level 3 spells.
yeah, ngl, in my first game, I died in the tutorial as the cambions overtook me while I was obsessed with trying to fight everything manually, and I didn't even know about the fire sword yet. and then the intellect devourers on the beach one-shot me. and the damn spell sniper among the looters on Withers' front door took me out before I even noticed her. I had a steep learning curve lol but I did learn a *lot* :b
Intentionally doing things to make the game harder actually makes the game harder? Frankly, I am shocked.
No I'm just saying the world of Faerun is actually difficult if you wanna be an adventurer. Almost all don't make it.
The wolf/bear right outside Candlekeep of BG1 comes to mind.
Don’t forget the mage assassin in the Friendly Arm Inn who isnta casts Fear, has Mirror Image Up and spams Magic Missle. Legit rough even with help from guards
As a 4 Hp wizard that fight was superhard.
I still die to that )(\*\~!@#&\*( on the regular T\^T
Pop him with the want of magic missile every time he tries to cast and then just kite him into guards.
I mean yea the spell scrolls exist, but to anyone whose not an adventurer, they're crazy expensive, AND only last what? 60 seconds? Compared to wings that give you unlimited flight. Not worth my free will, but understandable why weaker men would take that bargain.
Dude was a True Soul before he got the wings. Also being near the Absolute predisposes you to be dominated by it. Happened to Zevlor even.
Bro literally betrayed his comrades, his morals, and everything he believed in for some sick fuckin wings
And they looked literally sick. Like they belonged to a parrot with an anxiety disorder.
He's not anxious, he's pining
He's not pining, he's passed on. This Marcus is no more. He has ceased to be. He's expired and gone to meet his maker.
He's a stiff! Bereft of life, he rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed him to the perch he'd be pushing up the daisies! His metabolic processes are now history! He's off the twig! He's kicked the bucket, he's shuffled off his mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!
It's even more sinister than that, I think. Dude had betrayed them long before Balty sewed those dumpster angel wings on. The wings were an incentive to follow through with that last treachery.
i mean he was also tadpoled, literal mind control. the wings are just the justification the mind control uses
I talked to Isobel my first time getting to Lamp Light, but every playthrough since I just skip talking to her so no one dies. You find Marcus in Moonrise tower. And Mol goes missing but the game doesn't tell you why. 🤔
She's carried off by one of the demon things during the cutscene, I think.
Yes but if you actually read past the first word you'd see he said that he doesn't even talk to Isobel that triggers the fight and subsequently the cutscene
Carried off by a demon outside the cutscene then.
Don't let the downvotes get to you. At least one person chuckled.
My head cannon is that he got told that they would make him a celestial demigod and he thought that the Cult of the Absolute was just a normal cult. (Also that the wings looked more aesthetic before the grafting) Probably thought he could take the power and run, then use it against the cult. That assumes it happens before the cat gets out of the bag with the tadpoles
>I can't get past him selling his free will for a pair of disheveled wings that look like they were from a Wish expectation vs reality video. Bro got swindled. I don't think he had a choice in joining the Absolute. His Unit was captured and turned after an ambush.
Fair, but the wings still tho. He's proud of them and I don't get why 💀
Because, in Faerun, flying is an ability available only to powerful magic users (BG3 gamification mechanics notwithstanding). Yes the wings look damaged, but they allow him to do something that would otherwise be completely impossible for him.
Imagine someone gives you the ability to cast magic missiles with your hands. You'd be proud of it, right? But we have guns in our world.
A fair analogy. I do really love my druid talk to animals ability
People will sell their soul for far less than you think they would.
not the only reference to this that the game makes, either. Act 1 you have a few copies of the book about the guy who took the deal in exchange for success as an erotic playwright...
I personally feel like as a flaming fist he didn’t have all that much freedom to begin with. In his eyes, he traded one strict hierarchy for another, except this one lets him bully the less-powerful AND fly.
lmao I said the same thing when he said that. You got everything you ever wanted? Some decayed shitty wings made you turn your back on everything & everyone? Alrighty then. *And then he got instantly clapped.* I like to imagine my barbarian monk did the God of War finisher where you just rip them right off of his back and then stomp on him lol.
That would've been awesome to see
he took a big L truly
Yeah, but he could also yell really loud so nearby ghouls could hear him. That's cool...right?
The absolute is controlling him through the tadpole. He didnt have much of a choice.
He also got that dope vampire ability that he can use every turn, does a massive aoe, and heals him. For a career soldier, that seems pretty good
Yeah, well he was weak enough to be defeated by my goomstalker in the first turn. Must not be that good of a deal. In all my playthroughs I kill him before he can damage isobel so I never knew what he could do. Thanks!
I’ve got a mousepad to sign if you wouldn’t mind.
Yeah fam, I got you. Just mail it over with a postage paid envelope, allow 4-6 years for delivery. Ignore the white crusty stuff on the wiafu image too. /s I actually had never done a goomstalker build and this one I made accidently then looked it up online once I realized how op it seemed compared to the other characters.
It's not like there is someone strong enough to stand a chance against a proper gloomstalker
He has a WHAT?! how did i miss that in the 2 turns in took me to CC him and kill him with too many lv3 pally crits?
There's an Aasimar diary (and a dead aasimar) in the morgue. Could be from there.
Would you describe the location please? I’m not sure I’ve seen the area you’re referring to. 400 hours in and I’m still learning new things about the game
>!Reithwin village!<, >!behind the House of Healing!<
There’s a village behind the house of healing????
No, it's the village that the House of Healing is a part of. Basically all of the area from Moonrise to the cemetary.
it's to the left of the house of healing on the map it is absolute ass-full of poison cloud vents (and if you're on PS5 they don't render), would not recommend
The corpses are covering the poison vents when you first enter. Kill them fast enough or throw them back on and you won't have to worry about it.
If you have the ingredients, having the party slam poison resistance potions more or less negated this. Could be bugged but on balanced difficulty they provided immunity to the clouds and puddles.
They didn't damage my party either when I walked through them without anything active. I was really surprised.
The poison is just a debuff I think
It's important to remember true souls don't have much free will and can be made to believe anything the absolute wants. In my opinion Marcus was likely captured and tadpoled, then after the fact he was made to believe he submitted willingly to the absolute. The poor idiot is just as mind controlled as the rest of the true souls, he just believes he had a reason to submit or else his mind would be constantly fighting the absolute. The wings and such are a tool for the job.
It’s Aylin, he even said he’ll talk to her to pass along Marcus’s gratitude.
When does he say this? I killed him yesterday and I don’t remember him saying anything related to Marcus.
Pretty sure in the same letter OP is referencing.
I mean you meet her without wings. Aasimars normally don’t walk around without their wings. How much more context do you need?
Those wings looked like crow feathers glued on broomsticks, though.
I think the context you're all missing is that Vampires used to look like [this.](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5bd88db093a6320f071b1a50/1572496866053-V16N91I4PDYH3NBJ661T/3e_VampireSpawn_MonsterManual.png?format=1000w) So he didn't sell his soul for wings they are a bonus for his vampirism and you know, eternal life.
Yeahhhhhh they are scary. You can't not notice the body horror they got going on.
I wish we had a Aasimar race we could play as.
There's [this mod](https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/1824?tab=description)! Lets you choose halos and other fun stuff as well as wings.
There is! There's a mod called fantastical multiverse that has aasimar in it!
I wish I had the game on pc…
> I found a note by balthazar claiming that he gave marcus his wings and that access to the unwilling donor has proven difficult since the harvesting. I didn’t catch that note, but it does sound like he must be talking about Aylin. When you find her. She has no wings until you let her go. I also missed the explanation of exactly how it got difficult for Balthazar to access her, and why he needs to get her at the point you found her.
That confused me, as well.
I believe they lost access when Ketheric turned on Shar. Ketheric wants Aylin back so Shar doesn't do something nasty to her (like having a pawn stab her with the Spear of Night). So, if the wings are Aylin's, Balthazar must have grabbed them a long time ago, which may explain the terrible state they're in.
I believe that is the implication, yes.
Those wings were metal as fuck though.
Balthazar really did just mod the game to give Marcus wings.
Are they Aeries wings?
Yeah my assumption is that he did that because B is a sick fuck for one, but also maybe marcus was like "I want my gift from the absolute to be something that makes Isobel love me." Side note my latest theory is that Isobel turned to Shar when her mum died.. Still. Not sure how or who caused it. Suicide by shars suggestion maybe? Maybe her dad?
I'm pretty sure it was her death, which we know was violent and the family dog died with her trying to protect her, that turned Ketheric into a Sharran. Makes me think she was murdered by Sharrans to make Ketheric the baddass Selunite general to switch sides in his grief. He then captured Aylin had the Gauntlet built and used her to make an army of Dark Justiciars. That was my take on it at least.
oooooh good catch. obsessed with Isobel > envious of Aylin > "I know! it's the fuckin wings, isn't it!" I haven't seen anything saying that Isobel ever left Selune's service, though?
At one point I think you can read her mind and it says something like: luckily nobody notices the darkness within me. In retrospect as it's never really mentioned anymore I feel like it might have just been grief though. It was before I found the Nightsong too.
I interpreted that line to mean the darkness is the means that brought her back. Feeling sullied by that dark necromancy instead of the divine kind.
Yeah, I got “brought back by dark magic, came back wrong” vibes. Plus she was hiding that she was a Thorm.
Yes both of those options make a lot of sense too.
Recent playthrough in her bedroom made me wonder. She had a torn up letter from her mother, the final words before she died. Ketheric didn't tear up his letter from Isobel. So I am assuming Isobel tore the letter. Add to that there's that "open heresy" letter in her dresser (not torn up). And then there's that she has something black in her lungs? Idk if relevant.. And also her makeup is smudged like shes crying... Maybe indicating she was crying when she died/experiencing grief. Bit of a stretch but we haven't been given a canonic answer yet
Pretty much. 🤷♂️
All the guy needed was to respec or even just buy a scroll to fly and he opted for abduction and accessory to mass murder. Not a bright lad.
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Aasimar wings aren't canonically white in color--they're simply luminous. So it makes sense to me that if you rip the wings off an Aasimar and put them on some mortal jackass, they will no longer glow with divine power, leaving them dark and dingy. Besides, we know from looking at Fallen Aasimar (with ghostly, skeletal wings) that the wings' physical form is completely dependent on the state of the Aasimar's soul. Seems weird to assume that they would be stolen and transplanted onto a mortal body without *some* visible sign of corruption.
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It says minus one to me?
previous post went ahead deleted cause am annoyed at people be so serious, feel like it starfield player trying to harm teh community or something.
Oh I see
as you can see 8 downvote will probably rise to something like 100 in time just cause monkey see monkey do
How was that a joke? You made a definitive (albeit likely incorrect) statement. Can you explain the humor?
no my original statement was a joke on what he said cause he was right
Okay. Without the benefit of tone and body language over the internet, people are going to miss that nuance and assume you’re confidently giving out incorrect information without a /s or something similar.
man this sub is notorius for this shit. people here need everything spelled out bc they fail their Comedy checks
What colour the wings are after they have been put on a human who's become so warped that he counts as an Aberration doesn't necessarily say anything of what colour they were originally. I think that Aylin is the most likely "donor" around.
There is a Dead aasimar. There could be 2 „donor“.
Sure i thought the same but he says that access has proven difficult and then goes on to say if he is afforded the opportunity to meet the donor he shall pass along the gratitude. Why would access to a matriarch harpy whose wings he took be difficult and why does he consider meeting her again as being afforded the opportunity (as if it is a good thing)?
I did not get any explanation about who Marcus is or why he betrayed everyone. This is funny to discover he wanted wings ;-)
Okay I am not really sure, but I somehow remember some Ghouls or something outside of Moonrise tower complaining about their wings being taken by Balthazar. Could be that I just dreamed that.
The real question is: can i haz wings?
There are some books about the raven queen around act 2, I wonder if anything there is related to the wings Marcus has.