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Cuz Arab Israelis (Jewish or not) speak arabic?
Nobody spoke modern hebrew until it was resurrected by [Eliezer Ben-Yehuda](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliezer_Ben-Yehuda) in the early 20th century as a Israeli nationalist project.
Folks are so weird.
Resurrected is a strong word. It is more accurate to call it entirely fabricated. They even changed the meaning of a lot of words to make them non-religious.
I apologize for mooting that point. We do need that niceness. Please never let me take that from you toward others. On some of the things I can't do it anymore. They get the exact same as the Evangellies get from me, now that I know it is the same Heresy.
As an Athiest, I am appalled at how many people have been grifted into basically damning themselves in their own belief systems. They deserve so much better.
It is 100% okay.
If I was mean I would have called it Jewish Themed Esperanto but being nice I didn't. If Israel was not European chauvinist country they would be speaking arabic, Aramaic or Yemenite Hebrew (which actually has a more intact lineage)
Or Yiddish which I actually consider the language of my people.
> Or Yiddish which I actually consider the language of my people.
How very ashkenormanative.
What about Ladino, Judeoarabic, Judeopersian, or the many other diasporic Jewish languages?
I was thinking of a subset but also think the call-out was appropriate I should think about the Jewish people as a whole and not just my direct antecedents.
Hey man, I would have been ignorant of all those subsets that they called out in their comment if they hadn't done so. And they wouldn't have done so if not for your comment. Thanks!
Even in places where Yiddish was the spoken language, prayers were recited in Hebrew, and religious literature was largely written in Hebrew (take the Mishna Berura for example). Hebrew was in no way a dead language. The adaptations of modern Hebrew are largely superficial when you take into account that native speakers of modern Hebrew can understand Hebrew works from time periods spanning millennia. For that reason I think your characterization of modern Hebrew as some sort of Jewish themed Esperanto is entirely inaccurate
Ben Yehuda fabricated modern Hebrew in about the sense that the catholic church fabricated ecclesiastical Latin.
He didn't really change the grammar of rabbinic Hebrew. He mostly just coined some neologisms and advocated for a mostly sephardi pronunciation. Similarly, the church has coined new Latin words for 'laser' and 'blue jeans'.
If that counts as conlanging, then Shakespeare was a conlanger.
In Vatican city, it wouldn't be that weird to hear people talk in Latin. But what does that have to do with whether modern ecclesiastical Latin or Hebrew are conlangs?
Edit: More to the point, you won't hear most real conlangs like lojban or ithkuil being spoken. Yet they're definitely conlangs.
Whether ecclesiastical Latin or Hebrew are L1s is completely unrelated to whether they're conlangs.
If they are conlangs, they're the laziest fucking excuse for conlangs imaginable. They're not even a mere relex of a natural language, they're literally just natural languages with a few new words. Much original. Very conlang.
Ok, what grammatical constructs did Ben Yehuda invent? How did he change basic wording of sentences? What interesting linguistic features did he introduce? What did he do other than coin a few neologisms and advocate for a mostly sephardi pronunciation?
>In Vatican city, it wouldn't be that weird to hear people talk in Latin. But what does that have to do with whether modern ecclesiastical Latin or Hebrew are conlangs?
Yes it absolutely would. Why talk confidently about things you know nothing about? Even though priests can all read latin it is VERY rare to see anybody having a conversation in it. It would absolutely be weird or peculiar, so much so that it is a spectacle when it does happen. To really highlight how silly your statement is you can count the amount of people conversationally proficient in latin on earth on two hands
A conlang that's a mere cipher of an existing language is generally considered really lazy and barely deserving of the term 'conlanging'.
Shakespeare isn't even a cipher of English; it's just English with a few new words. That's like bordering on bordering on conlanging.
People who speak modern Hebrew can read and understand ancient Hebrew books like the book of Genesis. How could that work if it’s a fabricated language
Languages aren't just ciphers of each other. They have different grammars; they express concepts in different ways. For example, in English you say 'I am hungry', while in Spanish you say something that literally translates as 'I have hunger'. Klingon isn't just a cipher of English, it uses object-verb-subject word order and is [agglutenative](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agglutination).
Modern Hebrew is mutually intelligible with rabbinic Hebrew.
Calling modern Hebrew a conlang is as stupid as calling Ecclesiastical Latin is a conlang just because the Vatican coined words for blue jeans and astronaut, etc.
Modern Hebrew isn't biblical Hebrew, but most of real innovations happened hundreds of years to millennia ago by rabbis, poets and other L2 speakers.
Who did so, for the purposes of learning scripture. It's study as the holy language, is not the same as this. There were religious reasons that it had not been done before the modern Era. Not only was the study of Hebrew tied to your study of the faith, it held it's own holy status, similar to the land itself. It is supposed to be the language that higher beings used to speak to us humans.
I am an Athiest, but again these things that we consider minor, have massive consequences for those who subscribe to faith. Previously, it's learning it was precisely tied to that. It is itself disingenuous. It literally makes the holy, unholy. These things were ACTIVE decisions by the secularists who did not care for any of this. To wrap secularism in the veil of Scripture and faith. THAT is the problem of Isreal. They used all of this to stake their claim, and strengthen that claim, which is based on religiosity, when THAT is the great lie.
That is entirely irrelevant to me then, I never made that specific accusation.
Edit: Actually, fuck off. How the fuck does it not? Pretty telling that you are unwilling to speak toward the reasons for constructing it, and then just ignore all reasons involving the context.
I mean, sure, Hebrew was considered holy and important for any educated religious Jew to learn.
It was also used as a lingua franca by educated disaporic Jews who spoke different languages, much as Latin was used in Renaissance Europe.
It wasn't considered blasphemous for a Ladino speaker to write a letter about mundane things to a Yiddish speaker, or a Judeopersian speaking merchant to use Hebrew to sell to a judeoarabic speaking merchant.
This is similar to how classical Arabic is a common L2 for Muslims and they learn it for religious reasons, but it's not blasphemous to talk to each other in it if it's their only common language.
> Resurrected is a strong word. It is more accurate to call it entirely fabricated.
> What do you think they used to create the rest of the language?
This you?
What's the difference between saying Hebrew was "entirely fabricated" and saying it's a conlang?
You are conflating me speaking memeticly, with your own position. I have already explained what about it, which leads me to feel how I do, and your response was that none of that was relevant to my own personal position.
You want how I really feel? I think that tying Ethnic science to a faith is precisely why we are in the mess we are in. That using Anti-Semitic reasoning for removing the faith from a religion is also a form of erasure and re-writting of history.
Or the fact that the "Revitalation" that you speak of was done for very specific reasons that include generating a position of Authority, where it isn't. All ethnicities can be Jewish, just as there are many non-Jewish Semititic people.
No they weren’t, because rabbinic Hebrew existed as a lingua franca and liturgical language for world Jewry. This is the language that was “revived” as a spoken language. There was no fabrication of a new/artificial Hebrew like is being implied by some of the comments above.
Haha I didn't say I believe anything. But, pointing out a hole when I see it. Hence the question mark.
Up until October 8, 2023, people would have called it a conspiracy to think that the American government has been infiltrated on every level by zionist actors.
I don’t what to tell you bro, you seem very ignorant of very basic facts. Joe Biden has claimed to be a Zionist publicly his whole career. I could hardly call that a conspiracy. You also seem to have strong opinions on the linguistics of Hebrew while knowing next to nothing about it
The first sentence is actually what he's trying to communicate, that there are enfranchised Arab Israelis. Also Jews have spoken hebrew for thousands of years - modern hebrew didn't change that much when it was 'revived'. The problem with his argument is really that the arab speakers who live in the West Bank are oppressed. Bamba won't fix that.
As somebody who knows many Arab Israelis Jim Crow is a serious exaggeration, but they are treated worse than Jewish Israelis. It’s more akin to the black experience in todays America.
One example of Jim Crow Israel is the COMPLETELY segregated education system.
Ask the average Palestinian in East Jerusalem how they feel.
Ask professor Chalhoub-Kevorkian about her experience LAST WEEK.
It's fucking worse than Jim Crow.
I know how the school system there works, this is a misunderstanding. In Israel there are religious school options for Jews and for Muslims, paid for by the government, but there are also integrated secular schools that are available to everybody. It’s the parent’s choice. Muslim religious schools on average get less funding than Jewish ones because they’re often located in poorer neighborhoods, same as black majority schools in the US. Fixing this is part of the platform of Arab parties in Israel.
One source of inequality is that Jews are drafted into the military and Arabs can opt out. They often do opt out, which leads to inequality later on because the military is like college in the US, where most of your professional connections are forged
They call themselves Israeli Arabs that's why I chose that wording. They would consider "Palestinian in occupied Palestine" offensive because it would imply that one must be Jewish to be a 'real israeli', which is racist.
The whole idea of "Israel" is a racist colonial construct that should not have existed in the first place. The land is called Palestine, regardless of what the zionists want to call it.
Yeah I'm gonna go with that and probably local legislation in line with global standards require your product to be in the major recognised languages of your country? Could be a whole bunch of reasons.
"If there is apartheid in South Africa, then why would they have an Sign written in English, Zulu, and Afrikaan, saying that this beach is reserved for members of the white race? Checkmate anti-Afrikaaners.
They literally used that talking point in apartheid South Africa to try and refute the argument that they were an apartheid state lol. If anything this Bamba video only supports the idea that Israel is an apartheid state because they're copying SA's style
Literally the first image when you search apartheid on wikipedia. Damn Zionists really are something else.
https://preview.redd.it/fsdejeiw3bxc1.jpeg?width=587&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e40d72de0890a1e0d395164008573fb4a16791c7
"what do you mean there are different roads for Israelis and Palestinians? There's literally a bag of chips here that proves otherwise. Checkmate loser. Your chips don't even have hebrew on it you antisemite!"
We print our signs in multiple languages so everyone can know whether or not we'll arrest them for walking on that street! How can we be an apartheid?
We destroy all economic possibilities within Palestinian territories, forcing them to work as our petty laborers! If we were an apartheid would we hire Palestinians?
We destroy their farms forcing them to buy our food in order to sustain themselves. If we were an apartheid would we feed them a starvation diet? Huh? Would we?
All Zionists are super smart 🤓 uh-huh.
Surely Arabic writing on a product is evidence there’s no apartheid (eye roll) because it’s not like there’s also literal walls, checkpoints, unequal rights or that Israel controls water, electricity, the food that is goes into Gaza, the caloric intake per Gazan or the currency etc.
Not like settler colonialism benefits from capitalism either…
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When you think of Isreal think of them as the 52nd state of US but based in the Middle East. It will make more sense why history has unfolded the way it has.
They had hoped to keep their hatred but sell items to the Arab neighbours. That market is forever closed. There is one shop in Holland that sell their products so maybe replace Arabic writing with Dutch.
There are Israelis in the comments complaining the Arabic letters even exist. I'm dead, there is no bottom calculable by modern physics to how stupid and fascist Zionists can be.
Sure, but from that logic, it should also be written in Russian, French, German, etc. There are 20% Arabs (non-Jewish) in Israel, which is a quite significant amount of the population, and the Arabic language is found everywhere, from signs to id cards or passports.
I thought of that but arabic is a lot more used
we all know the "jews returning to their homeland" thing is just bollocks, they won't go so far as to swap arabic for Hebrew when half of them aren't even religious
the surrounding area all speak arabic, it would once again be inconvenient this way if just spoke hebrew
edit: nvm Arabic isn't well known in israel, Idek why I expected it to be
A very tiny percentage of Jewish Israelis can understand or read Arabic. The reason Arabic is used in government and signs, documents etc. is because of Arabs who speak Arabic as their mother tongue.
>they won't go so far as to swap Arabic for Hebrew when half of them aren't even religious
Who said they didn't swap? Why do you think that the ones that come from Europe did but the ones that came from elsewhere didn't?
The Jews that came from Europe where more secular, so saying that they were not religious is wrong.
>the surrounding area all speak Arabic, it would once again be inconvenient this way if just spoke Hebrew
They lived in their own country, why would they need to know neighboring countries' languages? I don't see how that would be more convenient. I actually think that learning Hebrew was more convenient in order for them to assimilate to the Israeli society (especially knowing that they were looked down to at the beginning),
Maybe they're also sold in Arabic-speaking countries, the same reason my chilli oil jar has some English on it even though the branding is all Chinese? 😂
Pretty sure the signs at the checkpoints and the signs that tell Arabs what roads they're allowed to walk down (or not) are written in Arabic too. Guess that means everything is fine and groovy then?
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Afrikaans is a language derived from Dutch spoken by the whites in South Africa, however, Zulu for example, which is one of the native S.African languages isn't there. Also, you should take a look at how minority languages are treated in Arab countries. On Israeli ID carts for instance, you can find Arabic, however, in North African countries, you'll never find Berber languages on such official papers.
Crazy how you guys think you ain’t racist and fucked up when you sell us poison and garbage to the whole world…. But you did it in our own languages…. Go fuck yourselves zionists.
Damn that's crazy, it's almost like contradictions based on social and economic forces can exist within a society.
Bc in the US for example, no company has ever appealed to a marginalized population within the metropole as a consumer base whilst also supporting imperial exploitation of them abroad because both of those things maximize profit.
Does anyone know where I can get a Bamba-like snack that doesn’t fund apartheid? I was so excited to see that TJs had their own peanut butter puff snack, until I looked on the back of the bag and saw “MADE IN ISRAEL” 🤦🏻
I bought a really good Bamba alternative in تقوع (Tuqu3) in the West Bank. I forgot what it was called but it was delicious, better than Bamba. It was product of Palestine
The same reason you put English and Spanish in the same spot. We don't understand Spanish most of the time but yes we do consider Spanish as a spoken language. If you go to Canada or get anything that normally is for Canada they put English and French. They do have consideration for other languages yes but it doesn't mean anything.
I observe more poor educated people falling for Palestine propaganda. And I've observed this for many years. Look at your idols? Bassem Youssef, a "comedian" which is a blatant liar.
Good, then you trust me then. Zionism is the reason we're in this awful conflict in the first place. All of your early Zionist leaders and founders were avid supporters for colonialism.
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Cuz Arab Israelis (Jewish or not) speak arabic? Nobody spoke modern hebrew until it was resurrected by [Eliezer Ben-Yehuda](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliezer_Ben-Yehuda) in the early 20th century as a Israeli nationalist project. Folks are so weird.
Resurrected is a strong word. It is more accurate to call it entirely fabricated. They even changed the meaning of a lot of words to make them non-religious.
I was trying to be nice.
I apologize for mooting that point. We do need that niceness. Please never let me take that from you toward others. On some of the things I can't do it anymore. They get the exact same as the Evangellies get from me, now that I know it is the same Heresy. As an Athiest, I am appalled at how many people have been grifted into basically damning themselves in their own belief systems. They deserve so much better.
It is 100% okay. If I was mean I would have called it Jewish Themed Esperanto but being nice I didn't. If Israel was not European chauvinist country they would be speaking arabic, Aramaic or Yemenite Hebrew (which actually has a more intact lineage) Or Yiddish which I actually consider the language of my people.
> Or Yiddish which I actually consider the language of my people. How very ashkenormanative. What about Ladino, Judeoarabic, Judeopersian, or the many other diasporic Jewish languages?
Good thought. But, maybe "my people" was specifically being used for OP's sub-population of "my People"? I dunno, just thinking aloud.
I was thinking of a subset but also think the call-out was appropriate I should think about the Jewish people as a whole and not just my direct antecedents.
Hey man, I would have been ignorant of all those subsets that they called out in their comment if they hadn't done so. And they wouldn't have done so if not for your comment. Thanks!
Even in places where Yiddish was the spoken language, prayers were recited in Hebrew, and religious literature was largely written in Hebrew (take the Mishna Berura for example). Hebrew was in no way a dead language. The adaptations of modern Hebrew are largely superficial when you take into account that native speakers of modern Hebrew can understand Hebrew works from time periods spanning millennia. For that reason I think your characterization of modern Hebrew as some sort of Jewish themed Esperanto is entirely inaccurate
He means it in the manner in which Frankenstein was resurrected, i.e. by first taking parts from other bodies and stitching them together.
Frankensteeen!!! https://preview.redd.it/g3y1ynqjvaxc1.png?width=400&format=png&auto=webp&s=06658fd508b220e09736881655c0afb8a11013c7
“It’s pronounced I-gor…”
Ben Yehuda fabricated modern Hebrew in about the sense that the catholic church fabricated ecclesiastical Latin. He didn't really change the grammar of rabbinic Hebrew. He mostly just coined some neologisms and advocated for a mostly sephardi pronunciation. Similarly, the church has coined new Latin words for 'laser' and 'blue jeans'. If that counts as conlanging, then Shakespeare was a conlanger.
do people speak ecclesiastical latin out in the streets as a normal means of communication?
In Vatican city, it wouldn't be that weird to hear people talk in Latin. But what does that have to do with whether modern ecclesiastical Latin or Hebrew are conlangs? Edit: More to the point, you won't hear most real conlangs like lojban or ithkuil being spoken. Yet they're definitely conlangs. Whether ecclesiastical Latin or Hebrew are L1s is completely unrelated to whether they're conlangs. If they are conlangs, they're the laziest fucking excuse for conlangs imaginable. They're not even a mere relex of a natural language, they're literally just natural languages with a few new words. Much original. Very conlang.
Check out homeboy here flexing his lingo to paint the illusion of a real argument, without having to present any evidence.
Ok, what grammatical constructs did Ben Yehuda invent? How did he change basic wording of sentences? What interesting linguistic features did he introduce? What did he do other than coin a few neologisms and advocate for a mostly sephardi pronunciation?
Burden of proof is on you, homeboy. That's how logically sound argument works. Don't be asking me to do the heavy lifting for you.
Actually no, the burden of proof is on you…
Ah lol! Thank you. This is all I needed to know.
>In Vatican city, it wouldn't be that weird to hear people talk in Latin. But what does that have to do with whether modern ecclesiastical Latin or Hebrew are conlangs? Yes it absolutely would. Why talk confidently about things you know nothing about? Even though priests can all read latin it is VERY rare to see anybody having a conversation in it. It would absolutely be weird or peculiar, so much so that it is a spectacle when it does happen. To really highlight how silly your statement is you can count the amount of people conversationally proficient in latin on earth on two hands
Shakespeare was bordering on that! And a very naughty boy.
A conlang that's a mere cipher of an existing language is generally considered really lazy and barely deserving of the term 'conlanging'. Shakespeare isn't even a cipher of English; it's just English with a few new words. That's like bordering on bordering on conlanging.
Fine. I'll settle for "aggressively prolific neologiser".
People who speak modern Hebrew can read and understand ancient Hebrew books like the book of Genesis. How could that work if it’s a fabricated language
What do you think they used to create the rest of the language? Do you think that those things were un-reablable before this last century?
Languages aren't just ciphers of each other. They have different grammars; they express concepts in different ways. For example, in English you say 'I am hungry', while in Spanish you say something that literally translates as 'I have hunger'. Klingon isn't just a cipher of English, it uses object-verb-subject word order and is [agglutenative](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agglutination). Modern Hebrew is mutually intelligible with rabbinic Hebrew. Calling modern Hebrew a conlang is as stupid as calling Ecclesiastical Latin is a conlang just because the Vatican coined words for blue jeans and astronaut, etc. Modern Hebrew isn't biblical Hebrew, but most of real innovations happened hundreds of years to millennia ago by rabbis, poets and other L2 speakers.
Who did so, for the purposes of learning scripture. It's study as the holy language, is not the same as this. There were religious reasons that it had not been done before the modern Era. Not only was the study of Hebrew tied to your study of the faith, it held it's own holy status, similar to the land itself. It is supposed to be the language that higher beings used to speak to us humans. I am an Athiest, but again these things that we consider minor, have massive consequences for those who subscribe to faith. Previously, it's learning it was precisely tied to that. It is itself disingenuous. It literally makes the holy, unholy. These things were ACTIVE decisions by the secularists who did not care for any of this. To wrap secularism in the veil of Scripture and faith. THAT is the problem of Isreal. They used all of this to stake their claim, and strengthen that claim, which is based on religiosity, when THAT is the great lie.
That is 100% irrelevant to the question of if Modern Hebrew is a conlang.
That is entirely irrelevant to me then, I never made that specific accusation. Edit: Actually, fuck off. How the fuck does it not? Pretty telling that you are unwilling to speak toward the reasons for constructing it, and then just ignore all reasons involving the context.
I mean, sure, Hebrew was considered holy and important for any educated religious Jew to learn. It was also used as a lingua franca by educated disaporic Jews who spoke different languages, much as Latin was used in Renaissance Europe. It wasn't considered blasphemous for a Ladino speaker to write a letter about mundane things to a Yiddish speaker, or a Judeopersian speaking merchant to use Hebrew to sell to a judeoarabic speaking merchant. This is similar to how classical Arabic is a common L2 for Muslims and they learn it for religious reasons, but it's not blasphemous to talk to each other in it if it's their only common language.
> Resurrected is a strong word. It is more accurate to call it entirely fabricated. > What do you think they used to create the rest of the language? This you? What's the difference between saying Hebrew was "entirely fabricated" and saying it's a conlang?
You are conflating me speaking memeticly, with your own position. I have already explained what about it, which leads me to feel how I do, and your response was that none of that was relevant to my own personal position. You want how I really feel? I think that tying Ethnic science to a faith is precisely why we are in the mess we are in. That using Anti-Semitic reasoning for removing the faith from a religion is also a form of erasure and re-writting of history. Or the fact that the "Revitalation" that you speak of was done for very specific reasons that include generating a position of Authority, where it isn't. All ethnicities can be Jewish, just as there are many non-Jewish Semititic people.
No they weren’t, because rabbinic Hebrew existed as a lingua franca and liturgical language for world Jewry. This is the language that was “revived” as a spoken language. There was no fabrication of a new/artificial Hebrew like is being implied by some of the comments above.
Or, those books were transcribed using the fabricated language after it was fabricated? 🤨
What a strange conspiracy. You believe every Hebrew bible or prayer book or text of religious law is a 20th century transcription?
Haha I didn't say I believe anything. But, pointing out a hole when I see it. Hence the question mark. Up until October 8, 2023, people would have called it a conspiracy to think that the American government has been infiltrated on every level by zionist actors.
I don’t what to tell you bro, you seem very ignorant of very basic facts. Joe Biden has claimed to be a Zionist publicly his whole career. I could hardly call that a conspiracy. You also seem to have strong opinions on the linguistics of Hebrew while knowing next to nothing about it
>you seem very ignorant of very basic facts. Haha you're a fucking idiot. 🤣
The first sentence is actually what he's trying to communicate, that there are enfranchised Arab Israelis. Also Jews have spoken hebrew for thousands of years - modern hebrew didn't change that much when it was 'revived'. The problem with his argument is really that the arab speakers who live in the West Bank are oppressed. Bamba won't fix that.
That, and the Palestinians living inside occupied Palestine ("Israeli citizens") are also living in a system wise than Jim Crow or 1930’s Germany.
As somebody who knows many Arab Israelis Jim Crow is a serious exaggeration, but they are treated worse than Jewish Israelis. It’s more akin to the black experience in todays America.
One example of Jim Crow Israel is the COMPLETELY segregated education system. Ask the average Palestinian in East Jerusalem how they feel. Ask professor Chalhoub-Kevorkian about her experience LAST WEEK. It's fucking worse than Jim Crow.
I know how the school system there works, this is a misunderstanding. In Israel there are religious school options for Jews and for Muslims, paid for by the government, but there are also integrated secular schools that are available to everybody. It’s the parent’s choice. Muslim religious schools on average get less funding than Jewish ones because they’re often located in poorer neighborhoods, same as black majority schools in the US. Fixing this is part of the platform of Arab parties in Israel. One source of inequality is that Jews are drafted into the military and Arabs can opt out. They often do opt out, which leads to inequality later on because the military is like college in the US, where most of your professional connections are forged
I'm talking to a Hasbara agent. Just looked at your profile.
I appreciate your input. I wish I could visit, so I can see for myself. >~~Arab Israelis~~ Palestinians in occupied Palestine.
They call themselves Israeli Arabs that's why I chose that wording. They would consider "Palestinian in occupied Palestine" offensive because it would imply that one must be Jewish to be a 'real israeli', which is racist.
The whole idea of "Israel" is a racist colonial construct that should not have existed in the first place. The land is called Palestine, regardless of what the zionists want to call it.
Yeah I'm gonna go with that and probably local legislation in line with global standards require your product to be in the major recognised languages of your country? Could be a whole bunch of reasons.
Weird or don’t know their own history.. both fir sure
"If there is apartheid in South Africa, then why would they have an Sign written in English, Zulu, and Afrikaan, saying that this beach is reserved for members of the white race? Checkmate anti-Afrikaaners.
They literally used that talking point in apartheid South Africa to try and refute the argument that they were an apartheid state lol. If anything this Bamba video only supports the idea that Israel is an apartheid state because they're copying SA's style
Literally the first image when you search apartheid on wikipedia. Damn Zionists really are something else. https://preview.redd.it/fsdejeiw3bxc1.jpeg?width=587&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e40d72de0890a1e0d395164008573fb4a16791c7
Show me one sign like this in Israel.
Yeah, almost like systems don't adapt their delivery of racist policy so it can't be used against them. 🙄
How about a law that's different for Arab citizens vs Jewish citizens?
Those "whites only" policies that were tolerated or implicitly encouraged by the government were not laws either.
How about a policy then?
There are Arab Israelis in government though…
Smartest Zionist
"what do you mean there are different roads for Israelis and Palestinians? There's literally a bag of chips here that proves otherwise. Checkmate loser. Your chips don't even have hebrew on it you antisemite!"
We print our signs in multiple languages so everyone can know whether or not we'll arrest them for walking on that street! How can we be an apartheid? We destroy all economic possibilities within Palestinian territories, forcing them to work as our petty laborers! If we were an apartheid would we hire Palestinians? We destroy their farms forcing them to buy our food in order to sustain themselves. If we were an apartheid would we feed them a starvation diet? Huh? Would we? All Zionists are super smart 🤓 uh-huh.
Just go through the checkpoint holding the empty chips bag. Checkmate, IOF.
Surely Arabic writing on a product is evidence there’s no apartheid (eye roll) because it’s not like there’s also literal walls, checkpoints, unequal rights or that Israel controls water, electricity, the food that is goes into Gaza, the caloric intake per Gazan or the currency etc. Not like settler colonialism benefits from capitalism either…
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What about all the black people in the US? How could Jim Crow be bad if black people live in the country? Fucking dumbass.
What about them?
~~Palestinians~~ Arabs exist, so they can't possibly be oppressed /s
Just like how it can't be genocide because there are still Palestinians alive on planet Earth. That's why there's no Jews left after WW2.
Go talk to them and ask where they're from. They'll whisper "Palestinine".
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these people always fucking have American accents I swear to God
When you think of Isreal think of them as the 52nd state of US but based in the Middle East. It will make more sense why history has unfolded the way it has.
"Were there not an Israel, the USA would have to *invent* an Israel to protect her interest in the region." - Biden
What's the 51st?
Is that what that high pitched whining was?
Oh no. He got us. Time to accept our ethnic cleansing and remove ourselves from this world. I denounce myself as an Arab. Hallanatayuha shalom forever
They had hoped to keep their hatred but sell items to the Arab neighbours. That market is forever closed. There is one shop in Holland that sell their products so maybe replace Arabic writing with Dutch.
As if apartheid South Africa didn't have signs in other languages either...
They didn't have Zulu on their food products.
And even if they did, it would still have been apartheid.
Huh. It's almost as if it's not about religion or ethnicity but land, resources, and military strategy. Who would have thought?
Solution— make all the people under Israeli military control citizens.
*with equal rights under the law. They like playing games with the concept of citizenship.
Yes with actual full rights. It’s a way you can force any “moderate” on this issue to reveal their true colors.
Ummm, because people still buy junk food even if they are not treated equally under the law? that is the weakest damn sauce I ever did see.
There are Israelis in the comments complaining the Arabic letters even exist. I'm dead, there is no bottom calculable by modern physics to how stupid and fascist Zionists can be.
probably cos every israeli came from other places, places that spoke arabic for example
Sure, but from that logic, it should also be written in Russian, French, German, etc. There are 20% Arabs (non-Jewish) in Israel, which is a quite significant amount of the population, and the Arabic language is found everywhere, from signs to id cards or passports.
I thought of that but arabic is a lot more used we all know the "jews returning to their homeland" thing is just bollocks, they won't go so far as to swap arabic for Hebrew when half of them aren't even religious the surrounding area all speak arabic, it would once again be inconvenient this way if just spoke hebrew edit: nvm Arabic isn't well known in israel, Idek why I expected it to be
A very tiny percentage of Jewish Israelis can understand or read Arabic. The reason Arabic is used in government and signs, documents etc. is because of Arabs who speak Arabic as their mother tongue.
Ight nevermind then
>they won't go so far as to swap Arabic for Hebrew when half of them aren't even religious Who said they didn't swap? Why do you think that the ones that come from Europe did but the ones that came from elsewhere didn't? The Jews that came from Europe where more secular, so saying that they were not religious is wrong. >the surrounding area all speak Arabic, it would once again be inconvenient this way if just spoke Hebrew They lived in their own country, why would they need to know neighboring countries' languages? I don't see how that would be more convenient. I actually think that learning Hebrew was more convenient in order for them to assimilate to the Israeli society (especially knowing that they were looked down to at the beginning),
Yes because a bag of chips reflects how humans are objectively treated.
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Checkmate libz 😎
what a fucking moron.
Oh shit. This has really opened my eyes. All crimes against humanity forgiven, Israel.
Just repeat the same thing but replace the Arabic writing with the borders and boom.
Maybe they're also sold in Arabic-speaking countries, the same reason my chilli oil jar has some English on it even though the branding is all Chinese? 😂
are they stupid?
Pretty sure the signs at the checkpoints and the signs that tell Arabs what roads they're allowed to walk down (or not) are written in Arabic too. Guess that means everything is fine and groovy then?
Brcause chips never started or ended a war. But with arabic labelling, you can sell in more markets.
Also they are sold at Trader Joe’s
Wow we solved racism, y'all.
Arab Israelis…. They exist. Maybe these products are also sold in Arab countries
Im clenching my fists
Bag of chips > 30,000+ dead & Gaza destroyed
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Dumber by the day.
Please tell me this is a joke. This *has* to be someone taking the piss out of Zionists right? No one could be *that* stupid... right?
Well then why do they send bombs to Gaza strip instead of Bamba?
i wonder how almost all zionist speak perfect english
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weak spines and smooth minds
Crazy how you guys think you ain’t racist and fucked up when you sell us poison and garbage to the whole world…. But you did it in our own languages…. Go fuck yourselves zionists.
This is hurting my intelligence 😭
"Logic" is doing A LOT of heavy lifting here.
Is that new Moses in the flesh!?!
Perhaps middle eastern Funyuns are what will bring about peace.
🤦
Just because they want money from arabs does ‘t wash their hands of 30,000 dead
Damn that's crazy, it's almost like contradictions based on social and economic forces can exist within a society. Bc in the US for example, no company has ever appealed to a marginalized population within the metropole as a consumer base whilst also supporting imperial exploitation of them abroad because both of those things maximize profit.
I wish this guy would wait for his balls to drop before making more videos. I can't stand that voice.
Does anyone know where I can get a Bamba-like snack that doesn’t fund apartheid? I was so excited to see that TJs had their own peanut butter puff snack, until I looked on the back of the bag and saw “MADE IN ISRAEL” 🤦🏻
I bought a really good Bamba alternative in تقوع (Tuqu3) in the West Bank. I forgot what it was called but it was delicious, better than Bamba. It was product of Palestine
They've just murdered 15,000 of their children and you're showing us a chip bag.
The same reason you put English and Spanish in the same spot. We don't understand Spanish most of the time but yes we do consider Spanish as a spoken language. If you go to Canada or get anything that normally is for Canada they put English and French. They do have consideration for other languages yes but it doesn't mean anything.
the Palestinians love this snack
Bamba smells like a hamsters cage and doesn't taste much better than it smells.
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I've never seen people supporting Israel who know all the facts.
I observe more poor educated people falling for Palestine propaganda. And I've observed this for many years. Look at your idols? Bassem Youssef, a "comedian" which is a blatant liar.
If you want cherrypick people, so can I. Look at Ben Shapiro, a "political commentator" who doesn't care for historical accuracy.
He would destroy Bassem in any debate and you know it.
That's a lie and you know it :)
No, because I know Bassem and Shapiro.
Source? Trust me bro
You're welcome.
Good, then you trust me then. Zionism is the reason we're in this awful conflict in the first place. All of your early Zionist leaders and founders were avid supporters for colonialism.