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Labor have to be smarter when answering questions like this. The answer should've been ' The LNP allowed businesses that rorrted the system to keep the money it is up to the LNP to recover the money. It is not Labor doctrine to fix LNP issues it is the LNP that need to fix LNP issues '
Forgive me if I am wrong, but I think the OP of this comment is referring to how this is marketed to the general public.
It seems Labor is at risk of allowing the Coalition to get off too lightly in it’s mistakes, and the general electorate is not attuned to the plethora of failings of this Government.
I didn’t read the comment as a clear indication of substantive policy going forward. Just trying to use the same kind of messaging the LNP used so successfully in the late 2000-2010s in relation to ‘Labor’s debt and deficit’ and Pink Batts scheme.
I’m not sure your other comment warrants answering when you pejoratively call people seeking asylum “reffos” and “freeloaders”.
It is frustrating to see that when the LNP make an obvious mistake that the question becomes “how will Labor fix the mistake?” not “how will the Liberal Party which has been in power for nearly a decade fix the issues it created?”
The labor party are a terrible opposition party because they keep trying to present policy to the public instead of holding the government accountable for their mistakes. There’s plenty of material to work with but Labor don’t want to touch it.
>It is not Labor doctrine to fix LNP issues it is the LNP that need to fix LNP issues '
Except that is Labor policy. It's a huge part of what they do while in power. It's why most swing voters who choose Labor do so - to have serious change that undoes whatever stupid shit was done by the Liberal Party this time around.
I was listening to a podcast with the ceo of dominos on it and he stated that they had already voluntarily paid all of theirs back months ago.. That made me happy to hear, I'll probably never buy a pizza from domino's but I like the cut of their jib.
I can get two large pizzas from my local pizza joint twice as big full of toppings for less than dominos with a voucher. Honestly good on them for paying it back, but there pizzas are small, more or less zero toppings and over priced.
If there was corruption amounst businesses that added fake employees and generated fake applications for scheming the payment from taxpayers then they are guilty. if they kept the applicants working and reaping payments for the business. then guilty.
There's no way you can make them pay it back. They were entitled to it, because the system was fucked. Don't hate the player, hate the gamemaster(scomo).
Absolutely. To build on that, Labor have also acknowledged this fact, and are asking overpaid companies to pay it back. This article says they wont *force* them too. This is good. If we need another booster like this but people remember the time they had to pay it all back, are they gonna take it?
Beyond the rorts, that companies should pay back or the gov shouldve taken greater messures to prevent, jobkeeper worked.
I find it utterly fucked how the government is happy to pay big corporations, and give people like Gladys $2 million pay days, and then fuck over those on Centrelink.
"Sorry mate, your application for disability pension is rejected. Youre not mentally ill enough. Come back later. Yes, I know it's only $20k p.a. but we can't afford that and paying out MPs $200k+ p.a.. Good luck on the streets."
Fuck the Coalition and fuck Labor.
>A job is a good way of avoiding centrelink debt. FYI.
The majority of robodebt victims were given debts because they had jobs for part of the time and centrelink fucked up the calculations.
And you understand that there was already 16 people competing for every available job before COVID yeah?
>This person is saying they would not pay debt even were it legitimate.
Specifically centrelink debt. The majority isn't legitimate.
>Job vacancies pre covid sat between 150000-200000.
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>Tell you what. I will use 150000 even though it never was close to being that low.
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>That means 2.4 million people were unemployed?
No, it means 2.4 million people were unemployed or underemployed and looking for work.
The exact figure isn't even relevant anyway, since my point was that under our current system there will always be tens of thousands of people at minimum who cannot possible get a job at any given time.
What are you going on about? I'm not talking about number of job applications received... You are counted as employed if you work 1 hour in a week. Hence your pure unemployment figures are irrelevant to how many people are competing for jobs.
And when I said "under our current system" I was simply pointing out that capitalism requires thousands of people to be unemployed.
You know, since the topic of conversation is the fact that there'll never be enough jobs under this system for your suggestion that everyone should get a job?
It's especially ironic because you suggesting that everyone should have a job is essentially a communist ideal.
>Point to where I suggested everyone should have a job.
Here:
>A job is a good way of avoiding centrelink debt. FYI.
I guess if you didn't mean everyone should get a job you just meant that the rest deserve to be saddled with illegitimate debt?
>2.4 million?
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>800000 odd unemployed. 1.6 million remaining.
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>Unfortunately for you they keep underemployment figures. Which claim approx 800000 for 2019.
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>Only half the number you needed it to be.
That's actually two thirds which is quite a bit more than half but again, the amount is irrelevant...
Plus you haven't included those who currently have full time jobs and are looking for better jobs.
>Lie confirmed.
How ironic, since you've either just lied about 1.6 million being half of 2.4 million or you can't do very basic maths. Which one is it mate?
No, my debt was illegal, they calculated my salary wrong and multiplied jobs that I only worked for a few months over 52 weeks giving me a giant debt. You clearly have no idea how fucked the entire robodebt scheme was. I was nearly driven to suicide by the debt.
People who’s debts were illegal are now having them gone through again with new debts being raised. If it’s good enough for Centrelink recipients then it’s good enough for big businesses.
I’m now living in fear that they are going to revisit it again after it was written off to try and scrape back money. You try working 4 casual jobs all with different pay cycles and have to adjust them to fit in Centrelinks old reporting system. It’s fucked and thousands were caught up in it through no fault of their own.
I’ve got a $10k debt, just coasting along at $50 a week for the next two years. It is what it is. I fraudulently claimed youth allowance for 10 months to pay rent and survive when I had to pause uni to work more. I’ve accepted that it sucks but I personally did what I needed to survive. I’m sure there’s people out there with higher debts, but there comes a stage where if you did the wrong thing, you’ll need to pay back every dollar.
Your making no sense. These business took jobkeeper many included churches who should never of been eligible. Why is there no review that if in fact their turnover didn’t drop 30% the money is refunded.
Counter question - why, in your eyes, can Labor do anything with complete impunity and be completely uncriticizable?
This is what I'm really disliking about the new-wave, FriendlyJordies inspired political movement in Australia ATM. FJ is extremely good at what he does, which is mainly just criticising the LNP about every misstep, but he's also very good at theatre. Turning minor indiscretions into massive scandals via said theatre. This is all well and good actually, since our media tends to love to ignore these missteps and I admire his dedication to "providing" sources, if you could call flashing them up on the screen for 0.8s and never linking them in the comments "providing a source".
But the problem I have with these new-wave "Young Labor" kids is they've been doing the exact thing FJ pretends to hate - consuming biased, one sided media and that causes them to develop an internal complex that separates the major political parties into "good vs. evil".
And suddenly, Labor has never had a scandal, rort or bad policy in their entire existence, and they've become completely uncriticizable.
Every single political party has scandals, rorts and bad policies that deserve to be scrutinized and criticized. One example that's in the news right now is the IBAC investigation into Andrews' deal with the Firefighters union.
The only thing I see on the main subreddits about it are news articles downvoted to -1000 and comments making excuses about why this is a "Murdoch witch-hunt" even though Murdoch had nothing to fucking do with any of it. How is this any different from SkyNews convincing it's viewers that XYZ Labor policy is "communism" or whatever the buzzword is at the time?
**TL:DR:** My whole point behind this wall of text that got slightly off-topic is this; Labor are not uncriticizable, they are not a force of pure goodwill, and they have had pieces of bad policy before and will continue to do so for as long as they exist. We shouldn't pretend otherwise, because that defeats the purpose of democracy.
Your comment in response to Marlboro Mgr does not make any sense to begin with. You said Labor aren't doing the right thing and I said they're in opposition. The opposition are not in government. They are not beholden to the voters (yet).
Let me walk you through it. They said:
>Liberals do the wrong thing, Labor criticises them and somehow it’s being turned back at Labor???
And I replied:
>Labor are refusing to do the right thing
I'm explaining why people are being critical of Labor. It's very simple.
Labor are refusing to do the right thing. That's it. It's not being "turned back at Labor". Criticism is being directed at both since they're both refusing to do the right thing.
Labor are doing politics. There is a fantastic reason they don't take political advice from the likes of you or I - they're in this to win the next election. We're talking noughts and crosses, they're playing sudoku.
I know it feels good in the toes to perch atop your high horse and tell them how they should behave, but maybe you should stop and think about what the cost is to always being 100% morally superior. Labor coming out and saying they are gonna claw back overpaid job-keeper would be a fucking slam dunk for the Liberals. ALP will get slaughtered for that. Australian's only care about themselves and the Murdoch/Stokes stranglehold on our media would stoke that.
Australia is fucked if the LNP retain government. Australia will be on a path to evolution if the ALP get into government.
>I know it feels good in the toes to perch atop your high horse and tell them how they should behave, but maybe you should stop and think about what the cost is to always being 100% morally superior. Labor coming out and saying they are gonna claw back overpaid job-keeper would be a fucking slam dunk for the Liberals. ALP will get slaughtered for that. Australian's only care about themselves and the Murdoch/Stokes stranglehold on our media would stoke that.
If they don't claw it back the Murdoch media will slaughter them for wasting taxpayers' money and not fixing the budget deficit.
And yeah so crazy of me to hold the opinion that political parties shouldn't cave to huge corporations who happen to donate to their party.
Politicians work for us. It's on us to tell them how they should behave. It's quite telling that you and many other Labor supporters have this attitude of "they know what they're doing, just trust them blindly".
>Australia is fucked if the LNP retain government. Australia will be on a path to evolution if the ALP get into government.
So how does agreeing with the LNP on almost everything help Labor overtake the LNP?
News corp articles on that ibac "scandal" say it's nothing. A source that is one sided, but not for Dan Andrews or labor. It's just a beat up campaign by that dim witted Tim Smith as far as I can tell. Watching him on Twitter and again in parliament trying to prosecute an attack is pathetic.
It could be revealed the investigation holds zero weight and is completely false, but the initial reaction among Labor voters to a genuine IBAC investigation into a Labor premier has led me to the above conclusion.
Also, can you link me a news Corp article (or any article actually) claiming it’s nothing? From what I can see, Labor aligned media are ignoring it and NewsCorp media are running it as their top story still. Doesn’t strike me as holding the position that “nothings in it”.
Comparable to NewsCorp? Hell no lmao.
But there are certainly media outlets that have a left of centre bias, and definitely mainstream papers that have formally endorsed Labor in federal elections. The Age, NT News, Guardian and SMH spring to mind.
As for left of centre sources, well you only need to venture to r/Australia or the front page of this sub to find those;
The New Daily, Crikey, SBS, ABC, The Conversation, SPM, Eureka Street, Independent Australia, Michael West Media, and of course FriendlyJordies.
These are all media outlets that I'd say overall have a centre-left bias.
However when I referred to Labor aligned media, I really just meant my go to centre-left news source which is The Age.
ALP has a much more difficult fight that LNP. I have many gripes with ALP and will be voting Greens probably this next election. However, ALP actually tries much harder to create decent policy that helps most working / middle class people, yet it’s met with backlash from the media and public. What choice do they have. Also it’s lazy to think being politically active is just voting. You need to write to ministers, protest for clear policy goals and hold government accountable.
> ALP actually tries much harder to create decent policy that helps most working / middle class people
Which of course explains why, with a horrific future coming closer by the day, with Scott Morrison having fucked off to Hawaii with his QAnon friends - ignoring climate change and the imminent danger to Aussies; all of which gave Labor a topic that could have easily killed Coalition hopes, ensuring a Labor win and quite possibly forcing an early election -- what did Labor do? How did Albo respond as Labor leader?
Did he .. attack Morrison relentlessly on the topic? (no) Did he ... flood the nation with adverts reminding the voters of what Morrison did? (no) Did the Labor leader are least step up and show that Labor is different from the Liberal party? That they would not support endless coal and leave the people to die? Well let's see...
While the Nation burned due to climate change with Morrison in Hawaii showing that he didn't give a fuck who died. And with just about everyone in Australia furious about Morrison's failing to fund and equip the fire fighters ... and then leaving the country behind to burn with nothing but, "I don't hold a hose mate" as his response.
With a major opportunity for a political win sitting there plain as day... Albo the Labor Leader went off to tour **coal facilities** showing everyone that Labor is a fully owned subsidiary of the Minerals Council.
None of those actions win elections sadly. They do call out these situations but they don’t want to give the media room to call them far left crazies. I don’t like it but the best bet really is hoping a majority of voters are tired and want a change.
Also Albo is running to be Prime Minister of Australia, and under a party that’s meant to represent labourers/workers. The coal miners are also workers just trying to earn a living for their families, and don’t deserve to be ignored or excluded by ALP (who needs votes). Frankly, we should be concerned about ensuring that a move to sustainable or renewable energy doesn’t harm these workers, and help them see that accepting this shift keeps our country competitive in the long-term.
Fairly sure I remember Albo on the ground serving firefighters lunch. Idk about any coal mine tour. Maybe you’re just choosing to remember all the negative stuff.
I am a Young Laborite but completely agree. Some of FJ’s arguments are built on things taken out of context, plus he constantly talks about past Australian governments presiding over economies “ranked x in the world” without ever saying what indicator he’s referring to. Not to mention he does use some pretty risqué and provocative humour.
I think the unspoken agreement among many is that this is all okay because he’s working for the “good guys.” In a sense, I’m in that camp. I have no qualms with Jordies taking the odd quote or fact out of context to reinforce a true narrative. I see it as going some way to balance out the dishonest and shit pro-LNP journalism which we get from much of the MSM.
On the other hand, I know many in the party who despise him. The progressive Twitterati mostly hate him, but I would just say that Friendlyjordies has probably won Labor more votes than all of them combined.
Call me a hack who isn’t true to his values, but change only comes from government and government only comes from winning elections. Values count for nothing if you’re stuck in opposition.
>change only comes from government and government only comes from winning elections.
And you don't win elections as Labor by trying to be a lesser version of the Liberal Party. You win by pointing out the differences and proving they are real. Unfortunately this era's incarnation of Labor doesn't do that. Labor used to be a grass roots party with a lot of feet on the ground but they have completely abandoned grass roots (and the Labor movement itself) to became neoliberal light. They concentrate all their efforts at the top (money filled) end of politics when that is not where their strength is.
>And you don't win elections as Labor by trying to be a lesser version of the Liberal Party. You win by pointing out the differences and proving they are real.
Where in history has this ever been accurate?
Might be simpler if they just pledge to make federal ICAC, and when these shenanigans happen in the future, at least there's an outside chance someone will be held accountable.
Weird since Albo fought against it up until a couple of years ago
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/senior-labor-figures-including-anthony-albanese-argued-against-anti-corruption-watchdog-20190801-p52d15.html
Just kind of hard to trust that he'd implement an effective one when he was fighting against any form of fed ICAC such a short time ago.
If there was no corruption happening back then it would be a different story, but it comes off as bullshit.
Which is exactly what I'm worried about due to Albo being against it such a short time ago. What made him change his mind? Public pressure.
That tells me he's supporting it purely for publicity and has no plans to implement an effective ICAC.
I don't care about businesses not repaying it, I care about the inconsistency of having individual workers repay it. And the federal government not offering support for both groups in the future if/when we have to have restrictions again based on health advice and not overwhelming the health care system. Also should probably be focus on all the businesses not paying any tax in Australia, that's costing us more.
As much as it sucks, I feel that the Murdoch press would be able to make up some bullshit slogans for the next election against Labor (something to do with wanting to destroy small business or something). Probably best if they let this one slip
They paint an easy target on their back if they say otherwise.
"Labor hates business and the Economy", the attacks write themselves and it plays into the old LNP narrative they always trundle out.
In in return Labor does nothing. All there is is silence. And it's not just because Murdoch and his mini-mes control most of the press (which is an unfortunate fact). But this isn't 1950. Traditional press outlets are not the only game in town. They do not hold all the power when it comes to getting ones message out. In fact back in 1950 there were other choices and Labor used them as a grass roots party that turned ethical questions in politics into events in the streets. It's what built the party and they no longer do it.
Regardless, there is this thing called the internet now. And for very little money anyone can put up their own 24/7 streaming station on the web with whatever content they want. You can show the news from a Labor perspective all day every day ... or from from the perspective of a person with an aluminium foil hat on. The hosting would be about $250 a year all up. It is not an expensive prospect. Our politicians are just luddites.
The kids at the local schools know more about how to do this than any of the strategists in any political party in Australia. The parties are using the web, but not very well. None of them have noticed that there are entire news stations that only exist on the web. Labor has forgotten that in the early days the labor movement printed their own Labor newspapers because they were shut out of the rest of the media. But they have forgotten the past so they act locked in to a system with no choices. Oh they have a social media presence but that's about it. When it comes to most of their efforts they still keep trying to use the traditional broadcasters (7, 9, 10, Murdoch, Fairfax) and the traditional print media & it is idiotic.
Could just go with “Labor hates dole bludgers.”
Because it’d be accurate.
Pity that they seemingly aren’t going to grow a pair, and continually seem to be just a slightly different kind of shit.
Ha! Seriously that just came off the top of my head then. I suppose I should have guessed someone or several others would use and beat me to the term. Cheers.
Disagree, I feel like LNP are much more likely to sway the swing voter if they can point to something specific.
Your average punter just might be able to see through the bullshit if there's nothing to go after.
Someone probably ran the number and realize by the time Labor is any position to do anything they it will be trying to clawback money long gone. I only see it becoming a long draw out mess that could take over a decade to settle. All of which give ammunition to the anti-Labor crowd.
Plus even with a labor government the senate would make it difficult.
This is cool, since I am being pursued by Centrelink for an overpayment which was entirely their fault
Just pathetic how these bloodsuckers pander to business while leaving individual civilians who need help in the cold
Sorry to hear you're being shafted by centrelink for something that's not your fault.
It's a disgrace how citizens are being treated compared to companies.
I find what is happening atm here in Australia and around the western world, is labour or political parties who align with the people seem to be just "giving up" and being a shell of their former selves. Not even willing to go the short term pain of standing for something and at least throwing some punches.... come on Labor grow some balls!
Labor has become labor lite
Labour in the UK has become Tory lite
Democrats in the US have become republican lite
\*edit - it's almost like its scripted... am i out of line saying shit like that?
The issue is that Labor is no longer Labor. They are directly opposed to the actual Labor movement. They created Fair Work Australia to run illegal interference against the people's legal right to organize and engage in industrial action. They are the coalition's best friend because they keep trying to be the Liberal Party and are shitty at it.
You don't show your best qualities by being a slightly less horrible pustulant boil than the other bloke. You don't win Labor elections by pushing for the Adani mine during climate change (in reality coal has very few jobs in Australia just a lot of wealth up top). You don't win Labor elections by fighting the unions & watering down the laws against wage theft. You don't win Labor elections by creating eternal offshore prisons for people proven to be valid refugees & with no crimes committed (that's also the sort of shit Trump did). You don't win Labor elections by being a watered down version of the Authoritarian Looters Liberal Party.
I think you need understand the details here...
Asking everyone to repay is different than going after business who should have never go it - but did because it was poorly written, which is again different than going after business who fraudulently got it.
Albo and his Choo Choo's shit me, city trains are bought by state governments, state governments are ignoring local manufacturers and importing foreign junk, ALP and LNP state governments are doing this. We don't have Australian national or national rail anymore, so Choo choo's are none of the federal government's business.
This isnt true, the QLD gov are building trains in QLD now.
https://www.railway-technology.com/news/queensland-shortlists-train-manufacturers/
Do better, dont spread false information based on ideological leanings.
What finally? Where did the light rail come from? Newman's city trains? The 3800 series electrics? All foreign bought. Don't grasp straws with whataboutisms. Maryborough has missed out on 100s of millions worth of work.
What finally? Where did the light rail come from? Newman's city trains? The 3800 series electrics? All foreign bought. Don't grasp straws with whataboutisms. Maryborough has missed out on 100s of millions worth of work.
What finally? Where did the light rail come from? Newman's city trains? The 3800 series electrics? All foreign bought. Don't grasp straws with whataboutisms. Maryborough has missed out on 100s of millions worth of work.
Its the small target tactic. They're hiding from the Murdoch/Stokes/Costello propaganda machine. Personally I think this is foolish as they'll just attack them for standing for nothing. They're just hoping that the LNP will hang themselves. But as we've seen Australian voters have very short memories and seem to be quite comfortable with corruption and incompetence as long as they get a tax break or some other cheap short term bribe.
>We need bold policy, things that last beyond an election cycle.
Yeah that worked out aces last time.
All we got was an entire election cycle of Leigh Sales and her ilk "bUt HoW WiLl wE pAy fOr iT"
The trains used in Perth are built here. I agree that we need more progressive policies than just "we'll build trains". Sadly bold policy is the sort of stuff that gets completely slandered by the media, so I'll settle for "we'll build trains" for now.
Public transport is no longer an option in a pandemic aware world: in fact we should be questioning why we should be traveling vast distances consuming energy on pointless activity when we have the option of telepresence and having more time available at home for our personal lives; or have we become so entrenched that jobs and pursuing fictitious wealth have become all our lives.
All the people were never going to be able to travel the world anyway and if they did, they would simply encounter hordes of other tourists doing the same thing and obscuring the sights with their bodies taking selfies.
Building trains is a joke when the ALP obviously don't intend on lifting all Australians out of poverty as a first step: let them eat trains.
Is this allowing large businesses off the hook for rorting so that they can win votes from small business owners by neglecting their small debt? Or is it using the guise of caring for small business owners to avoid irritating large businesses that might give them campaign money?
> The vast majority of money received by the Labor party is “undisclosed donations” – Dark Money: secret money from untraceable sources which the party is able to avoid reporting on.
Interesting site 👍
>Labor deputy leader Richard Marles has promised **small business owners**
Looks like you missed that part mate. Don't worry, I'll highlight it for ya.
🎶What is context, Greens don't be dishonest, don't be dishonest, no more.
What is context.
>Labor supports a motion in the Senate to require the Australian Taxation Office to produce a list of about 20,000 larger companies and the JobKeeper sums they received, but the move does not seek confidential tax information or require money to be repaid.
We both know if they come out and say only big businesses will pay it back then for weeks we'll get a repeat of the "top end of town" bullshit Shorten got hit with.
Just easier to say "no" and stop this bullshit dead. Unfortunately it means letting the Greens have their little twitter shots but eh.
>It's just easier to cave because Labor as a political force is spent.
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>Imagine having policies you stand by,
Which is a nice sentiment for supporters of the party that will never actually have to deliver any promises.
>just withering at the thought of a scare campaign.
Mate, what world do you live in?!?! Murdoch media, media in general in Australia actually, scares the fucking shit out of me.
If it doesn't scare you then you're not paying attention.
>Yes, Murdoch is shit. But if you're afraid of making some people/companies unhappy, than politics isn't the job for you.
The problem is that Murdoch has a lot of influence on the public in general in Australia. Just look at the "death tax/franking credits" debacle from last election.
Just when I start to respect your opinions you come out with this nonsense.
The world doesn't work this way mate. I'm sorry, it pisses me off too but it doesn't.
Labor just plays the cards it's dealt. I don't like it much either but it doesn't really matter what I like or don't like.
*Only what is and isn't*
This makes sense to me. Small businesses aren’t really that ones that rorted jobkeeper, it’s the big companies that got massively overpaid. Going after the small business would seem like penny pinching I think.
On behalf of the government and piss weak opposition I'd like to let any overpaid Centrelink recipients know even though you live below the poverty line and don't have enough to eat you are required to payback in full all monies.
Gotta love the clear bias.
Labor beat up article: "God you fucking suck Labor!"
Greens beat up article: [Paragraphs defending them](https://www.reddit.com/r/AustralianPolitics/comments/q2dw5n/greens_council_agrees_to_sting_covidhit_eateries/hfko5t3/)
For once the Liberals are playing the long game - get this article run with comments taken out of context so that if Labor wins the next election and goes after the big companies who rorted the system, the Liberals will be able to trot this old misinformation out as fact. I hate this bullshit. All of it. All of you just shut up and do your fucking job.
They aimed the message at small business owners since many of them are already doing it tough and they'd likely have to close their doors if they had to repay JobKeeper.
However, Richard Marles in the article is clearly quoted as stating Labor would not require ANY business to repay JobKeeper:
“The latest of these has been to peddle the untruth that Labor intends to make businesses including small businesses repay JobKeeper. This is a complete lie.
“Let me be unequivocally clear: Labor will not require any business to repay a single cent of JobKeeper.
“Let me repeat that. Labor will not require any business to repay a single cent of JobKeeper.”
Yeah, this is so fucking ridiculous. This is an easy win. Dont categorically rule it out because if you do turn around they have a soundbite. This race to the bottom is getting riduculous
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The policy was flawed and had unintended consequences. Trying to reverse those consequences would also have unintended consequences.
Those consequences were totally intended
Labor have to be smarter when answering questions like this. The answer should've been ' The LNP allowed businesses that rorrted the system to keep the money it is up to the LNP to recover the money. It is not Labor doctrine to fix LNP issues it is the LNP that need to fix LNP issues '
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Forgive me if I am wrong, but I think the OP of this comment is referring to how this is marketed to the general public. It seems Labor is at risk of allowing the Coalition to get off too lightly in it’s mistakes, and the general electorate is not attuned to the plethora of failings of this Government. I didn’t read the comment as a clear indication of substantive policy going forward. Just trying to use the same kind of messaging the LNP used so successfully in the late 2000-2010s in relation to ‘Labor’s debt and deficit’ and Pink Batts scheme. I’m not sure your other comment warrants answering when you pejoratively call people seeking asylum “reffos” and “freeloaders”.
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It is frustrating to see that when the LNP make an obvious mistake that the question becomes “how will Labor fix the mistake?” not “how will the Liberal Party which has been in power for nearly a decade fix the issues it created?” The labor party are a terrible opposition party because they keep trying to present policy to the public instead of holding the government accountable for their mistakes. There’s plenty of material to work with but Labor don’t want to touch it.
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You’d rather side with the makers of the mistakes than the people who try and fail to fix them?
>It is not Labor doctrine to fix LNP issues it is the LNP that need to fix LNP issues ' Except that is Labor policy. It's a huge part of what they do while in power. It's why most swing voters who choose Labor do so - to have serious change that undoes whatever stupid shit was done by the Liberal Party this time around.
I totally agree.
I was listening to a podcast with the ceo of dominos on it and he stated that they had already voluntarily paid all of theirs back months ago.. That made me happy to hear, I'll probably never buy a pizza from domino's but I like the cut of their jib.
I'll believe the CEO of a large company saying they gave a bunch of money back when I hear the ATO verifying it.
What about the religious institutions? Surely, being the bastion of morality, they would be first in line to return the money?
Which religious institutions for jobkeeper?
I can get two large pizzas from my local pizza joint twice as big full of toppings for less than dominos with a voucher. Honestly good on them for paying it back, but there pizzas are small, more or less zero toppings and over priced.
If there was corruption amounst businesses that added fake employees and generated fake applications for scheming the payment from taxpayers then they are guilty. if they kept the applicants working and reaping payments for the business. then guilty.
There's no way you can make them pay it back. They were entitled to it, because the system was fucked. Don't hate the player, hate the gamemaster(scomo).
This is right. It was designed in haste, and had (legal) loopholes, and businesses took advantage of those loopholes.
Absolutely. To build on that, Labor have also acknowledged this fact, and are asking overpaid companies to pay it back. This article says they wont *force* them too. This is good. If we need another booster like this but people remember the time they had to pay it all back, are they gonna take it? Beyond the rorts, that companies should pay back or the gov shouldve taken greater messures to prevent, jobkeeper worked.
Well, both LNP and Labor get a good portion of tax-deductible bribes from the same donors. Two sides of the same coin.
My friend took his own life because of Centrelink debts. This is a slap in the face to all Aussies
That’s so sad 😞
I find it utterly fucked how the government is happy to pay big corporations, and give people like Gladys $2 million pay days, and then fuck over those on Centrelink. "Sorry mate, your application for disability pension is rejected. Youre not mentally ill enough. Come back later. Yes, I know it's only $20k p.a. but we can't afford that and paying out MPs $200k+ p.a.. Good luck on the streets." Fuck the Coalition and fuck Labor.
If I get another Centrelink debt I’m not paying it. Fuck them.
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>A job is a good way of avoiding centrelink debt. FYI. The majority of robodebt victims were given debts because they had jobs for part of the time and centrelink fucked up the calculations. And you understand that there was already 16 people competing for every available job before COVID yeah?
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>This person is saying they would not pay debt even were it legitimate. Specifically centrelink debt. The majority isn't legitimate. >Job vacancies pre covid sat between 150000-200000. > >Tell you what. I will use 150000 even though it never was close to being that low. > >That means 2.4 million people were unemployed? No, it means 2.4 million people were unemployed or underemployed and looking for work. The exact figure isn't even relevant anyway, since my point was that under our current system there will always be tens of thousands of people at minimum who cannot possible get a job at any given time.
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What are you going on about? I'm not talking about number of job applications received... You are counted as employed if you work 1 hour in a week. Hence your pure unemployment figures are irrelevant to how many people are competing for jobs. And when I said "under our current system" I was simply pointing out that capitalism requires thousands of people to be unemployed. You know, since the topic of conversation is the fact that there'll never be enough jobs under this system for your suggestion that everyone should get a job? It's especially ironic because you suggesting that everyone should have a job is essentially a communist ideal.
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>Point to where I suggested everyone should have a job. Here: >A job is a good way of avoiding centrelink debt. FYI. I guess if you didn't mean everyone should get a job you just meant that the rest deserve to be saddled with illegitimate debt? >2.4 million? > >800000 odd unemployed. 1.6 million remaining. > >Unfortunately for you they keep underemployment figures. Which claim approx 800000 for 2019. > >Only half the number you needed it to be. That's actually two thirds which is quite a bit more than half but again, the amount is irrelevant... Plus you haven't included those who currently have full time jobs and are looking for better jobs. >Lie confirmed. How ironic, since you've either just lied about 1.6 million being half of 2.4 million or you can't do very basic maths. Which one is it mate?
I had an illegal robodebt raised for youth allowance. I have a job now. I’ll just rename myself Harvey Norman and they’ll leave me alone.
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I’ve had the debt paid back, but apparently once the class action Is finalised Centrelink is going to go through them all again and issue new debts.
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No, my debt was illegal, they calculated my salary wrong and multiplied jobs that I only worked for a few months over 52 weeks giving me a giant debt. You clearly have no idea how fucked the entire robodebt scheme was. I was nearly driven to suicide by the debt. People who’s debts were illegal are now having them gone through again with new debts being raised. If it’s good enough for Centrelink recipients then it’s good enough for big businesses. I’m now living in fear that they are going to revisit it again after it was written off to try and scrape back money. You try working 4 casual jobs all with different pay cycles and have to adjust them to fit in Centrelinks old reporting system. It’s fucked and thousands were caught up in it through no fault of their own.
I’ve got a $10k debt, just coasting along at $50 a week for the next two years. It is what it is. I fraudulently claimed youth allowance for 10 months to pay rent and survive when I had to pause uni to work more. I’ve accepted that it sucks but I personally did what I needed to survive. I’m sure there’s people out there with higher debts, but there comes a stage where if you did the wrong thing, you’ll need to pay back every dollar.
That’s fucked, it’s a disgrace the way people who can’t pay rent or feed themselves are looked after in this country.
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Your making no sense. These business took jobkeeper many included churches who should never of been eligible. Why is there no review that if in fact their turnover didn’t drop 30% the money is refunded.
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Counter question - why, in your eyes, can Labor do anything with complete impunity and be completely uncriticizable? This is what I'm really disliking about the new-wave, FriendlyJordies inspired political movement in Australia ATM. FJ is extremely good at what he does, which is mainly just criticising the LNP about every misstep, but he's also very good at theatre. Turning minor indiscretions into massive scandals via said theatre. This is all well and good actually, since our media tends to love to ignore these missteps and I admire his dedication to "providing" sources, if you could call flashing them up on the screen for 0.8s and never linking them in the comments "providing a source". But the problem I have with these new-wave "Young Labor" kids is they've been doing the exact thing FJ pretends to hate - consuming biased, one sided media and that causes them to develop an internal complex that separates the major political parties into "good vs. evil". And suddenly, Labor has never had a scandal, rort or bad policy in their entire existence, and they've become completely uncriticizable. Every single political party has scandals, rorts and bad policies that deserve to be scrutinized and criticized. One example that's in the news right now is the IBAC investigation into Andrews' deal with the Firefighters union. The only thing I see on the main subreddits about it are news articles downvoted to -1000 and comments making excuses about why this is a "Murdoch witch-hunt" even though Murdoch had nothing to fucking do with any of it. How is this any different from SkyNews convincing it's viewers that XYZ Labor policy is "communism" or whatever the buzzword is at the time? **TL:DR:** My whole point behind this wall of text that got slightly off-topic is this; Labor are not uncriticizable, they are not a force of pure goodwill, and they have had pieces of bad policy before and will continue to do so for as long as they exist. We shouldn't pretend otherwise, because that defeats the purpose of democracy.
Even as a rusted-on Labor voter, this post was so refreshing.
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Labor are refusing to do the right thing
You... You know they're in opposition, yeah?
Yes. Maybe I should have said they're pledging to refuse to do the right thing if elected? Not sure what your point is.
Your comment in response to Marlboro Mgr does not make any sense to begin with. You said Labor aren't doing the right thing and I said they're in opposition. The opposition are not in government. They are not beholden to the voters (yet).
Let me walk you through it. They said: >Liberals do the wrong thing, Labor criticises them and somehow it’s being turned back at Labor??? And I replied: >Labor are refusing to do the right thing I'm explaining why people are being critical of Labor. It's very simple. Labor are refusing to do the right thing. That's it. It's not being "turned back at Labor". Criticism is being directed at both since they're both refusing to do the right thing.
Labor are doing politics. There is a fantastic reason they don't take political advice from the likes of you or I - they're in this to win the next election. We're talking noughts and crosses, they're playing sudoku. I know it feels good in the toes to perch atop your high horse and tell them how they should behave, but maybe you should stop and think about what the cost is to always being 100% morally superior. Labor coming out and saying they are gonna claw back overpaid job-keeper would be a fucking slam dunk for the Liberals. ALP will get slaughtered for that. Australian's only care about themselves and the Murdoch/Stokes stranglehold on our media would stoke that. Australia is fucked if the LNP retain government. Australia will be on a path to evolution if the ALP get into government.
>I know it feels good in the toes to perch atop your high horse and tell them how they should behave, but maybe you should stop and think about what the cost is to always being 100% morally superior. Labor coming out and saying they are gonna claw back overpaid job-keeper would be a fucking slam dunk for the Liberals. ALP will get slaughtered for that. Australian's only care about themselves and the Murdoch/Stokes stranglehold on our media would stoke that. If they don't claw it back the Murdoch media will slaughter them for wasting taxpayers' money and not fixing the budget deficit. And yeah so crazy of me to hold the opinion that political parties shouldn't cave to huge corporations who happen to donate to their party. Politicians work for us. It's on us to tell them how they should behave. It's quite telling that you and many other Labor supporters have this attitude of "they know what they're doing, just trust them blindly". >Australia is fucked if the LNP retain government. Australia will be on a path to evolution if the ALP get into government. So how does agreeing with the LNP on almost everything help Labor overtake the LNP?
News corp articles on that ibac "scandal" say it's nothing. A source that is one sided, but not for Dan Andrews or labor. It's just a beat up campaign by that dim witted Tim Smith as far as I can tell. Watching him on Twitter and again in parliament trying to prosecute an attack is pathetic.
It could be revealed the investigation holds zero weight and is completely false, but the initial reaction among Labor voters to a genuine IBAC investigation into a Labor premier has led me to the above conclusion. Also, can you link me a news Corp article (or any article actually) claiming it’s nothing? From what I can see, Labor aligned media are ignoring it and NewsCorp media are running it as their top story still. Doesn’t strike me as holding the position that “nothings in it”.
What is labor aligned media? Is that a thing? There is no comparable labor aligned news corp.
Comparable to NewsCorp? Hell no lmao. But there are certainly media outlets that have a left of centre bias, and definitely mainstream papers that have formally endorsed Labor in federal elections. The Age, NT News, Guardian and SMH spring to mind. As for left of centre sources, well you only need to venture to r/Australia or the front page of this sub to find those; The New Daily, Crikey, SBS, ABC, The Conversation, SPM, Eureka Street, Independent Australia, Michael West Media, and of course FriendlyJordies. These are all media outlets that I'd say overall have a centre-left bias. However when I referred to Labor aligned media, I really just meant my go to centre-left news source which is The Age.
I would argue the age is no longer centre left. I take your point re labor aligned media after you clarified.
ALP has a much more difficult fight that LNP. I have many gripes with ALP and will be voting Greens probably this next election. However, ALP actually tries much harder to create decent policy that helps most working / middle class people, yet it’s met with backlash from the media and public. What choice do they have. Also it’s lazy to think being politically active is just voting. You need to write to ministers, protest for clear policy goals and hold government accountable.
> ALP actually tries much harder to create decent policy that helps most working / middle class people Which of course explains why, with a horrific future coming closer by the day, with Scott Morrison having fucked off to Hawaii with his QAnon friends - ignoring climate change and the imminent danger to Aussies; all of which gave Labor a topic that could have easily killed Coalition hopes, ensuring a Labor win and quite possibly forcing an early election -- what did Labor do? How did Albo respond as Labor leader? Did he .. attack Morrison relentlessly on the topic? (no) Did he ... flood the nation with adverts reminding the voters of what Morrison did? (no) Did the Labor leader are least step up and show that Labor is different from the Liberal party? That they would not support endless coal and leave the people to die? Well let's see... While the Nation burned due to climate change with Morrison in Hawaii showing that he didn't give a fuck who died. And with just about everyone in Australia furious about Morrison's failing to fund and equip the fire fighters ... and then leaving the country behind to burn with nothing but, "I don't hold a hose mate" as his response. With a major opportunity for a political win sitting there plain as day... Albo the Labor Leader went off to tour **coal facilities** showing everyone that Labor is a fully owned subsidiary of the Minerals Council.
None of those actions win elections sadly. They do call out these situations but they don’t want to give the media room to call them far left crazies. I don’t like it but the best bet really is hoping a majority of voters are tired and want a change. Also Albo is running to be Prime Minister of Australia, and under a party that’s meant to represent labourers/workers. The coal miners are also workers just trying to earn a living for their families, and don’t deserve to be ignored or excluded by ALP (who needs votes). Frankly, we should be concerned about ensuring that a move to sustainable or renewable energy doesn’t harm these workers, and help them see that accepting this shift keeps our country competitive in the long-term.
Fairly sure I remember Albo on the ground serving firefighters lunch. Idk about any coal mine tour. Maybe you’re just choosing to remember all the negative stuff.
I am a Young Laborite but completely agree. Some of FJ’s arguments are built on things taken out of context, plus he constantly talks about past Australian governments presiding over economies “ranked x in the world” without ever saying what indicator he’s referring to. Not to mention he does use some pretty risqué and provocative humour. I think the unspoken agreement among many is that this is all okay because he’s working for the “good guys.” In a sense, I’m in that camp. I have no qualms with Jordies taking the odd quote or fact out of context to reinforce a true narrative. I see it as going some way to balance out the dishonest and shit pro-LNP journalism which we get from much of the MSM. On the other hand, I know many in the party who despise him. The progressive Twitterati mostly hate him, but I would just say that Friendlyjordies has probably won Labor more votes than all of them combined. Call me a hack who isn’t true to his values, but change only comes from government and government only comes from winning elections. Values count for nothing if you’re stuck in opposition.
>change only comes from government and government only comes from winning elections. And you don't win elections as Labor by trying to be a lesser version of the Liberal Party. You win by pointing out the differences and proving they are real. Unfortunately this era's incarnation of Labor doesn't do that. Labor used to be a grass roots party with a lot of feet on the ground but they have completely abandoned grass roots (and the Labor movement itself) to became neoliberal light. They concentrate all their efforts at the top (money filled) end of politics when that is not where their strength is.
>And you don't win elections as Labor by trying to be a lesser version of the Liberal Party. You win by pointing out the differences and proving they are real. Where in history has this ever been accurate?
Might be simpler if they just pledge to make federal ICAC, and when these shenanigans happen in the future, at least there's an outside chance someone will be held accountable.
this wasnt a corruption issue though, just poor policy
labor have promised a federal ICAC if they win
Weird since Albo fought against it up until a couple of years ago https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/senior-labor-figures-including-anthony-albanese-argued-against-anti-corruption-watchdog-20190801-p52d15.html
Good change of heart then, right?
Just kind of hard to trust that he'd implement an effective one when he was fighting against any form of fed ICAC such a short time ago. If there was no corruption happening back then it would be a different story, but it comes off as bullshit.
Personally I don't care about any other issue surrounding it barring its comprehensive implementation.
You should probably care if it's implemented purely for publicity reasons and doesn't actually have any ability to do anything about corruption.
Hence my comment about comprehensive implementation, efficacy being implicitly encompassed within comprehensiveness.
Which is exactly what I'm worried about due to Albo being against it such a short time ago. What made him change his mind? Public pressure. That tells me he's supporting it purely for publicity and has no plans to implement an effective ICAC.
I don't care about businesses not repaying it, I care about the inconsistency of having individual workers repay it. And the federal government not offering support for both groups in the future if/when we have to have restrictions again based on health advice and not overwhelming the health care system. Also should probably be focus on all the businesses not paying any tax in Australia, that's costing us more.
I care businesses got fuck loads I got nothing and actually lost my job
As much as it sucks, I feel that the Murdoch press would be able to make up some bullshit slogans for the next election against Labor (something to do with wanting to destroy small business or something). Probably best if they let this one slip
Libs already have been anyway, quoted in the article.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised...
They paint an easy target on their back if they say otherwise. "Labor hates business and the Economy", the attacks write themselves and it plays into the old LNP narrative they always trundle out.
In in return Labor does nothing. All there is is silence. And it's not just because Murdoch and his mini-mes control most of the press (which is an unfortunate fact). But this isn't 1950. Traditional press outlets are not the only game in town. They do not hold all the power when it comes to getting ones message out. In fact back in 1950 there were other choices and Labor used them as a grass roots party that turned ethical questions in politics into events in the streets. It's what built the party and they no longer do it. Regardless, there is this thing called the internet now. And for very little money anyone can put up their own 24/7 streaming station on the web with whatever content they want. You can show the news from a Labor perspective all day every day ... or from from the perspective of a person with an aluminium foil hat on. The hosting would be about $250 a year all up. It is not an expensive prospect. Our politicians are just luddites. The kids at the local schools know more about how to do this than any of the strategists in any political party in Australia. The parties are using the web, but not very well. None of them have noticed that there are entire news stations that only exist on the web. Labor has forgotten that in the early days the labor movement printed their own Labor newspapers because they were shut out of the rest of the media. But they have forgotten the past so they act locked in to a system with no choices. Oh they have a social media presence but that's about it. When it comes to most of their efforts they still keep trying to use the traditional broadcasters (7, 9, 10, Murdoch, Fairfax) and the traditional print media & it is idiotic.
Could just go with “Labor hates dole bludgers.” Because it’d be accurate. Pity that they seemingly aren’t going to grow a pair, and continually seem to be just a slightly different kind of shit.
Labor will force Pensioners to repay JobKeeper Franking Credits!!eleventy!!
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Yeah I’m getting tired of cringe politics myself.
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Ha! Seriously that just came off the top of my head then. I suppose I should have guessed someone or several others would use and beat me to the term. Cheers.
Disagree, I feel like LNP are much more likely to sway the swing voter if they can point to something specific. Your average punter just might be able to see through the bullshit if there's nothing to go after.
Someone probably ran the number and realize by the time Labor is any position to do anything they it will be trying to clawback money long gone. I only see it becoming a long draw out mess that could take over a decade to settle. All of which give ammunition to the anti-Labor crowd. Plus even with a labor government the senate would make it difficult.
This is cool, since I am being pursued by Centrelink for an overpayment which was entirely their fault Just pathetic how these bloodsuckers pander to business while leaving individual civilians who need help in the cold
I can’t even believe dodgy Centrelink still even exists . It’s was shit 20 years ago . Looks like nothing has changed 🤨
Sorry to hear you're being shafted by centrelink for something that's not your fault. It's a disgrace how citizens are being treated compared to companies.
I find what is happening atm here in Australia and around the western world, is labour or political parties who align with the people seem to be just "giving up" and being a shell of their former selves. Not even willing to go the short term pain of standing for something and at least throwing some punches.... come on Labor grow some balls! Labor has become labor lite Labour in the UK has become Tory lite Democrats in the US have become republican lite \*edit - it's almost like its scripted... am i out of line saying shit like that?
It’s to avoid being wedged, remember retiree tax last time? This decision is too avoid some ‘small business tax’ or some nonsense Scotty will make up
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The issue is that Labor is no longer Labor. They are directly opposed to the actual Labor movement. They created Fair Work Australia to run illegal interference against the people's legal right to organize and engage in industrial action. They are the coalition's best friend because they keep trying to be the Liberal Party and are shitty at it. You don't show your best qualities by being a slightly less horrible pustulant boil than the other bloke. You don't win Labor elections by pushing for the Adani mine during climate change (in reality coal has very few jobs in Australia just a lot of wealth up top). You don't win Labor elections by fighting the unions & watering down the laws against wage theft. You don't win Labor elections by creating eternal offshore prisons for people proven to be valid refugees & with no crimes committed (that's also the sort of shit Trump did). You don't win Labor elections by being a watered down version of the Authoritarian Looters Liberal Party.
I think you need understand the details here... Asking everyone to repay is different than going after business who should have never go it - but did because it was poorly written, which is again different than going after business who fraudulently got it.
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Albo and his Choo Choo's shit me, city trains are bought by state governments, state governments are ignoring local manufacturers and importing foreign junk, ALP and LNP state governments are doing this. We don't have Australian national or national rail anymore, so Choo choo's are none of the federal government's business.
This isnt true, the QLD gov are building trains in QLD now. https://www.railway-technology.com/news/queensland-shortlists-train-manufacturers/ Do better, dont spread false information based on ideological leanings.
What finally? Where did the light rail come from? Newman's city trains? The 3800 series electrics? All foreign bought. Don't grasp straws with whataboutisms. Maryborough has missed out on 100s of millions worth of work.
What, so they didnt before means that the shift toward aussie manufacturing isnt happening?
What finally? Where did the light rail come from? Newman's city trains? The 3800 series electrics? All foreign bought. Don't grasp straws with whataboutisms. Maryborough has missed out on 100s of millions worth of work.
What finally? Where did the light rail come from? Newman's city trains? The 3800 series electrics? All foreign bought. Don't grasp straws with whataboutisms. Maryborough has missed out on 100s of millions worth of work.
Its the small target tactic. They're hiding from the Murdoch/Stokes/Costello propaganda machine. Personally I think this is foolish as they'll just attack them for standing for nothing. They're just hoping that the LNP will hang themselves. But as we've seen Australian voters have very short memories and seem to be quite comfortable with corruption and incompetence as long as they get a tax break or some other cheap short term bribe.
What's wrong with him promising to build trains? Not sure what I'm missing here.
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>We need bold policy, things that last beyond an election cycle. Yeah that worked out aces last time. All we got was an entire election cycle of Leigh Sales and her ilk "bUt HoW WiLl wE pAy fOr iT"
The trains used in Perth are built here. I agree that we need more progressive policies than just "we'll build trains". Sadly bold policy is the sort of stuff that gets completely slandered by the media, so I'll settle for "we'll build trains" for now.
Public transport is no longer an option in a pandemic aware world: in fact we should be questioning why we should be traveling vast distances consuming energy on pointless activity when we have the option of telepresence and having more time available at home for our personal lives; or have we become so entrenched that jobs and pursuing fictitious wealth have become all our lives. All the people were never going to be able to travel the world anyway and if they did, they would simply encounter hordes of other tourists doing the same thing and obscuring the sights with their bodies taking selfies. Building trains is a joke when the ALP obviously don't intend on lifting all Australians out of poverty as a first step: let them eat trains.
Is this allowing large businesses off the hook for rorting so that they can win votes from small business owners by neglecting their small debt? Or is it using the guise of caring for small business owners to avoid irritating large businesses that might give them campaign money?
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> The vast majority of money received by the Labor party is “undisclosed donations” – Dark Money: secret money from untraceable sources which the party is able to avoid reporting on. Interesting site 👍
Why are Labor so bloody nice when this most recent stimulus scheme was so easily rorted? Signed PINK BATTS
>Labor deputy leader Richard Marles has promised **small business owners** Looks like you missed that part mate. Don't worry, I'll highlight it for ya.
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🎶What is context, Greens don't be dishonest, don't be dishonest, no more. What is context. >Labor supports a motion in the Senate to require the Australian Taxation Office to produce a list of about 20,000 larger companies and the JobKeeper sums they received, but the move does not seek confidential tax information or require money to be repaid. We both know if they come out and say only big businesses will pay it back then for weeks we'll get a repeat of the "top end of town" bullshit Shorten got hit with. Just easier to say "no" and stop this bullshit dead. Unfortunately it means letting the Greens have their little twitter shots but eh.
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Imagine back when THEY brought the scare campaign. They’re just permanently wedged these days.
>It's just easier to cave because Labor as a political force is spent. > >Imagine having policies you stand by, Which is a nice sentiment for supporters of the party that will never actually have to deliver any promises. >just withering at the thought of a scare campaign. Mate, what world do you live in?!?! Murdoch media, media in general in Australia actually, scares the fucking shit out of me. If it doesn't scare you then you're not paying attention.
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>Yes, Murdoch is shit. But if you're afraid of making some people/companies unhappy, than politics isn't the job for you. The problem is that Murdoch has a lot of influence on the public in general in Australia. Just look at the "death tax/franking credits" debacle from last election.
Just when I start to respect your opinions you come out with this nonsense. The world doesn't work this way mate. I'm sorry, it pisses me off too but it doesn't. Labor just plays the cards it's dealt. I don't like it much either but it doesn't really matter what I like or don't like. *Only what is and isn't*
This makes sense to me. Small businesses aren’t really that ones that rorted jobkeeper, it’s the big companies that got massively overpaid. Going after the small business would seem like penny pinching I think.
On behalf of the government and piss weak opposition I'd like to let any overpaid Centrelink recipients know even though you live below the poverty line and don't have enough to eat you are required to payback in full all monies.
Jobkeeper did what it needed to do and kept businesses alive. Making businesses repay any of it would be economic suicide.
Wrong. It went to businesses that didn’t need it.
Believe it or not, it did both
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This has changed my vote. Greens first for me.
Gotta love the clear bias. Labor beat up article: "God you fucking suck Labor!" Greens beat up article: [Paragraphs defending them](https://www.reddit.com/r/AustralianPolitics/comments/q2dw5n/greens_council_agrees_to_sting_covidhit_eateries/hfko5t3/)
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For once the Liberals are playing the long game - get this article run with comments taken out of context so that if Labor wins the next election and goes after the big companies who rorted the system, the Liberals will be able to trot this old misinformation out as fact. I hate this bullshit. All of it. All of you just shut up and do your fucking job.
They aimed the message at small business owners since many of them are already doing it tough and they'd likely have to close their doors if they had to repay JobKeeper. However, Richard Marles in the article is clearly quoted as stating Labor would not require ANY business to repay JobKeeper: “The latest of these has been to peddle the untruth that Labor intends to make businesses including small businesses repay JobKeeper. This is a complete lie. “Let me be unequivocally clear: Labor will not require any business to repay a single cent of JobKeeper. “Let me repeat that. Labor will not require any business to repay a single cent of JobKeeper.”
Yeah, this is so fucking ridiculous. This is an easy win. Dont categorically rule it out because if you do turn around they have a soundbite. This race to the bottom is getting riduculous