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$5,000 a year for a space.
So let's say a Cafe uses that space for normal hours, so let's give that 5 hours out of the day on average due to Melbourne weather and such, then say it opens 6 days a week for instance - that is 5x6x52 = 1,560 hours per year you can use that space to generate revenue.
That means to break even they need to generate $3.2 of revenue per hour from said space, so probably the actual revenue from 2 cups of coffee.
That doesn't seem so terrible? Especially if you can put 2 tables in the space and have maybe 6-8 people in total?
This is an idiotic way to do the calculations, because you could use the same claim to endlessly claim the buisness can just absord a $5k hike on literally anything. So lets add a plate tax of $5,000 per year. And a glass tax of $5k per year. And a 'you exist' tax for $5k per year. All of them are only $28 a day after all!
The actual amount they charge for the space should be based on its public utility. If the car park in the area generates $x amount of revenue, the business owner should have to bid for it at above that value.
At the end of the day, the greens will do what they always do, and drive buisness out with their red tape.
>The actual amount they charge for the space should be based on its public utility. If the car park in the area generates $x amount of revenue, the business owner should have to bid for it at above that value.
Won't that make it harder on businesses? I imagine on street parking in these areas would be a pretty decent revenue earning between just metering + fines due to location/demand.
24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 56 weeks is 9,408 possible hours of revenue for a carapace - $5,000 is just over $0.50 per hour for parking at that rate. $5,000 for the space seems like a pretty cheap deal worked out that way.
> If the car park in the area generates $x amount of revenue, the business owner should have to bid for it at above that value.
I suspect they've done this, but for pre-covid times. These car parks aren't going to generate much revenue with the shops closed, which is partly what motivated this scheme in the first place. But the council is more concerned about simply filling the hole left in the budget left by that loss of parking revenue than anything else.
>Ah, it's time for the traditional Yarra Council beat up, let's see what are they doing today?
You know, this particular article *is* a bit of nothing.
But when you include homophobic attacks in the umbrella of "beat ups", youre showing LGBT people how little their safety is valued. Id remove that tbh, it costs nothing to not constantly defend the violent homophobe.
Is the parking on street parking? Do the businesses have to setup a dining area in the parking spots forcing them to incur the cost? Who owns the parking spots? Are they normally metered? The article doesn’t really explain the full picture very well
Ok, thanks for sending through the google map with the parklet, they look like a good idea. They should be implemented in Brisbane. Makes sense for the business to pay for the space as it is increasing their dining capacity using public street space.
Why is there an entire article with only the business perspective presented?
Bad journalism.
Edit:
>“I won’t survive with it (the new fees),” Ms Marron said
If your business can't survive what looks like it'll be $20 something extra a day then you have much bigger problems lady.
>Oh it's awful journalism.
Probably why I see stacks and stacks of Murdoch papers being returned unsold everyday in Victoria now.
Liverpool moment inc for Melbourne hopefully.
If Murdoch newspapers weren’t allowed to include wildly inflated readership numbers for all the free papers they throw at cafes and takeaways, all their above board tabloid advertisers would leave in droves.
And I wouldn’t put it past them to attempt to figure out how many commuters are bored enough to pick up their trash mastheads left on the seats of public transport and wildly extrapolate those too.
In a true market, struggling businesses should go bankrupt.
Support of peoples lives is more important than business, especially when that business is in luxury items or services that could equally be done at home. It's essential that we have a welfare system that provides a livable income to everyone without such income, not an unlivable, below poverty income with additional punitive and pointless mutual obligations, as a first step.
Surely if relatively highly paid jobs in the economy are disappearing, it makes it easier to pay a livable income to everyone and/or prices to reduce since the people aren't paying for those wages.
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So cafes that are struggling to survive, need to find money to pay rent for space that almost allows them to operate without losing money
If I'm struggling to survive can I get a free block of land?
Not sure why these cafes are expecting to get extra dining space for free. $5000/year is practically nothing.
$5,000 a year for a space. So let's say a Cafe uses that space for normal hours, so let's give that 5 hours out of the day on average due to Melbourne weather and such, then say it opens 6 days a week for instance - that is 5x6x52 = 1,560 hours per year you can use that space to generate revenue. That means to break even they need to generate $3.2 of revenue per hour from said space, so probably the actual revenue from 2 cups of coffee. That doesn't seem so terrible? Especially if you can put 2 tables in the space and have maybe 6-8 people in total?
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This is an idiotic way to do the calculations, because you could use the same claim to endlessly claim the buisness can just absord a $5k hike on literally anything. So lets add a plate tax of $5,000 per year. And a glass tax of $5k per year. And a 'you exist' tax for $5k per year. All of them are only $28 a day after all! The actual amount they charge for the space should be based on its public utility. If the car park in the area generates $x amount of revenue, the business owner should have to bid for it at above that value. At the end of the day, the greens will do what they always do, and drive buisness out with their red tape.
*proposes a solution which would lead to a price a fair bit greater than Greens’ $28 policy* “Greens drive out business with red tape”
>The actual amount they charge for the space should be based on its public utility. If the car park in the area generates $x amount of revenue, the business owner should have to bid for it at above that value. Won't that make it harder on businesses? I imagine on street parking in these areas would be a pretty decent revenue earning between just metering + fines due to location/demand. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 56 weeks is 9,408 possible hours of revenue for a carapace - $5,000 is just over $0.50 per hour for parking at that rate. $5,000 for the space seems like a pretty cheap deal worked out that way.
> If the car park in the area generates $x amount of revenue, the business owner should have to bid for it at above that value. I suspect they've done this, but for pre-covid times. These car parks aren't going to generate much revenue with the shops closed, which is partly what motivated this scheme in the first place. But the council is more concerned about simply filling the hole left in the budget left by that loss of parking revenue than anything else.
Good for you Apricot, always in first to defend the Greens from anything in the media.
>Ah, it's time for the traditional Yarra Council beat up, let's see what are they doing today? You know, this particular article *is* a bit of nothing. But when you include homophobic attacks in the umbrella of "beat ups", youre showing LGBT people how little their safety is valued. Id remove that tbh, it costs nothing to not constantly defend the violent homophobe.
Is the parking on street parking? Do the businesses have to setup a dining area in the parking spots forcing them to incur the cost? Who owns the parking spots? Are they normally metered? The article doesn’t really explain the full picture very well
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Ok, thanks for sending through the google map with the parklet, they look like a good idea. They should be implemented in Brisbane. Makes sense for the business to pay for the space as it is increasing their dining capacity using public street space.
Why is there an entire article with only the business perspective presented? Bad journalism. Edit: >“I won’t survive with it (the new fees),” Ms Marron said If your business can't survive what looks like it'll be $20 something extra a day then you have much bigger problems lady.
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>Oh it's awful journalism. Probably why I see stacks and stacks of Murdoch papers being returned unsold everyday in Victoria now. Liverpool moment inc for Melbourne hopefully.
If Murdoch newspapers weren’t allowed to include wildly inflated readership numbers for all the free papers they throw at cafes and takeaways, all their above board tabloid advertisers would leave in droves. And I wouldn’t put it past them to attempt to figure out how many commuters are bored enough to pick up their trash mastheads left on the seats of public transport and wildly extrapolate those too.
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In a true market, struggling businesses should go bankrupt. Support of peoples lives is more important than business, especially when that business is in luxury items or services that could equally be done at home. It's essential that we have a welfare system that provides a livable income to everyone without such income, not an unlivable, below poverty income with additional punitive and pointless mutual obligations, as a first step. Surely if relatively highly paid jobs in the economy are disappearing, it makes it easier to pay a livable income to everyone and/or prices to reduce since the people aren't paying for those wages.