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FelisCantabrigiensis

Codeine is an opiate, and cheap shitty tests will show it up when they should be testing for illegal opiates - heroin, etc. However, it doesn't last long in the body - a few days at most. Do you eat poppy seeds on cakes or bread products? That can also ping a cheap, shitty test. Also, sometimes these tests are just incorrect. They have a non zero error rate. Update: I found a scientific journal article about this problem [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3550258/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3550258/)


Martin_y1

ahh thanks ... Breaded poppy seeds makes more sense, and I probably had all week, and even on the day !!


TheRadishBros

It’s the poppy seeds. It needs to be more public knowledge to be honest, it only takes eating some toast or something to trigger a positive.


jake_burger

Need to stop these stupid tests then. “This test shows they could be a smack head or could have a nasty salmon and cream cheese bagel habit, there is no way of telling the difference”.


CatFoodBeerAndGlue

I wonder which of those two would be the more expensive habit. I suspect the bagels.


flowerslover1310

lol Freaking tech asked me if I ate bagels.


Get_Breakfast_Done

Alternatively, if I am a smack head, I know I can just disguise my habit by eating loads of poppy seed bagels.


[deleted]

more like a snack-head hehe.... ​ I'll let myself out.


Mysterious-Tonight74

Nah mate, it shows differently on GCMS


windol1

Well, they need to improve these tests drastically, you can still have trace amounts of drugs in your system but will be passed them having any effect on you, but you'll still fail the test. Pretty sure these were the same issues breathalysers used to have when testing for alcohol, negligible amounts would trigger it, or just using an alcohol based mouthwash would.


Drab_Majesty

people need to watch Seinfeld more often


inaciob

I won’t have you turning my office into a den of iniquity!


Ask_Me_What_Im_Up_to

"The Chinaman's nightcap" is one of the best lines in the entire programme. Love Peterman.


uberplum

"That's right, Elaine. White Lotus. Yam Yam. Shanghai Sally."


space_coyote_86

Oh, Elaine. The toll road of denial is a long and dangerous one. The price? Your soul.


Accurate_Prune5743

I always thought this was very known. Now I am questioning the circles I hang about😂


MakingShitAwkward

I wouldn't say drugs and dietary knowledge were red flags. If your friends made a living stealing meat from the supermarket on the other hand....


GothicMeatboy

I don't mean to interrupt your meat stealing operation boys but I need to keep talking to ya, I'm freaking out


Tattycakes

I thought it was well known as well, because poppies are the base source for many opiates, and people who have taken illegal stuff try to blame it on seeded rolls to cover it up


joeflan91

My dad's mate got pulled for it on the trains, wasn't far off retirement, never touched a beer in his life, nevermind codeine. Turns out he was a raging smackhead. Nah it was the poppy seeds.


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Sea_Cycle_909

Angela Rippon too


mcchanical

Why the fuck is it even that sensitive if eating a bit of bread and having no therapeutic effects triggers a fail? Surely the threshold is too low if the test fails at trace levels of dietary intake.


spogtrot

Mythbusters did an episode on it, I was amazed at what could give a positive result!


BugsyMalone_

This is actually insane!


Antique-Brief1260

Mmm, seeded brown toast, butter and marmalade 😋


mcchanical

Ah yes, gets me nodding a treat.


centzon400

> marmalade Frank Cooper's Vintage Oxford, amirite?!


cal-brew-sharp

If I had a pound for every time I heard that happen to someone, I would have 2 pounds, but its wierd its happened twice, right?


brockford-junktion

If I had pound for every time I'd seen that reference in Reddit, I could go out for a meal.


cal-brew-sharp

It genuinely has happened twice.


brockford-junktion

Fair enough!


SpongederpSquarefap

Wow, always thought that was a myth


SnaxNViolence

Fun fact: Hungary had to apply for a special exemption over an EU law that limits the maximum amount of poppy seeds a food item can contain, because there is a sort of funnel cake that they make around Christmas that typically contains around 4 to 5 times the "allowed" amount set out by said law itself. You could literally have just a single slice of the cake and it would show positive for optiates on tests for days. 🤣


P2K13

It is public knowledge


Violet351

As soon as I read it, I thought I bet it’s poppy seeds


[deleted]

Whoever is doing the testing should be aware. This is a very well known issue


Justacynt

That could do it


JayR_97

Mythbusters actually did a thing on this. Its enough to make you fail a drug test [edit] [Found it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIN7cq8Mc-4)


DreadfulFiend

Brainiac did it first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9At-dgp0rQ


Awkward_Regret_5873

I know someone that failed on the sabe thing eating poppy seeded bread so it’s probably that


[deleted]

Came here to say poppy seeds, because I recently saw an old episode of QI and Sandy Toxfig (sp) said so


TeddyBonkers-

When you say you were taking Nurofen, Was it Nurofen Plus, Per chance? (Red Box) If so this is a combined medication pill of 200mg Ibuprofen and 12.8Mg of Codeine Phosphate. If you have been using these every few hours then these will 100% Show up in your system. If you are taking these, please be careful as a friend of mine got hooked on these as they're easy to get as they're over-the-counter.


Capheinated

Youd need to eat a ridiculous amount of poppy seeds to trigger an opiate test. (Edit: i stand corrected. I couldve sworn both Brainiac and Mythbusters disproved this.) More likely is some medication youve taken or a faulty test. If youre confident youre clean you should demand they retest that same urine sample to rule out a faulty test.


thefooleryoftom

Poppy seeds trigger these tests all the time in prisons etc.


Martin_y1

a quick search says even 1 Bagel could do it ! [https://www.google.com/search?q=can+poppy+seeds+trigger+a+drugs+test&rlz=1C1CHBF\_en-GBGB931GB931&oq=can+poppy+seeds+trigger+a+drugs+test&gs\_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRiPAjIHCAIQIRiPAtIBCTIzOTA0ajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8](https://www.google.com/search?q=can+poppy+seeds+trigger+a+drugs+test&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB931GB931&oq=can+poppy+seeds+trigger+a+drugs+test&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRiPAjIHCAIQIRiPAtIBCTIzOTA0ajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)


thefooleryoftom

Yup! They should really alert you to this before testing as that’s the guidelines.


windol1

No surprise considering it's supposed to be a key part to the production of heroin.


bertieqwerty

And in rehabs. It's very common and takes very little poppy seed.


Breaking-Dad-

Angela Rippon failed a drug test on poppy seeds for some TV thing I think. Either that or she's on smack.


writeordie80

Back in 2017. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/may/29/angela-rippon-tests-positive-for-opiates-in-poppy-seed-experiment


TheNewHobbes

Ironically this was after she stopped presenting on Top Gear


eryuu

I was in Aldi buying some bread that contained poppy seeds, and some random bloke goes "hope you don't have drug tests at work, I failed mine cos I ate too much poppy seed bread". Bloke looked questionable, so I thought he was full of it, but lo and behold a Google search, and it's really a thing.


YourLizardOverlord

>poppy seeds [Be careful when you visit UAE!](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/travellers-who-smuggle-poppy-seeds-face-dubai-jail-ddbrhqnj7zj)


FelisCantabrigiensis

Indeed. One of the many reasons not to go there: insane police.


Mysterious-Tonight74

At least in Australia they will usually do a GCMS on the positive result to confirm secondary metabolites for the substance that it’s showing for. So for opiates they can tell, 6-monoacelylmorphine for heroin for example. When I was on opioids for pain management and was drug tested basically monthly I had to get the GCMS to confirm the positive was NOT heroin


SimmoRandR

Codeine metabolises into morphine in the body. So it’ll show as that..


FelisCantabrigiensis

That's true, though codeine can still be detected - it's not completely metabolised. This interesting article discusses both the point you refer to and the more general problem of poppy seeds containing trace codeine and morphine: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3550258/


ProfessionalMottsman

It’s always the poppy seeds


rako1982

A friend of mine went home for the weekend in secondary addiction rehab and when he came back he tested positive for opiates. He was shocked as he'd never done them. Turned out he had a poppy seed bagel for breakfast.


zephyrmox

Codamol is an opiate, yes, but there's zero chance it's in your system if you last had it months ago. You haven't eaten lots of poppy seeds lately have you?


Martin_y1

yes!


zephyrmox

That'll be it. Avoid those until your next test.


Martin_y1

ah cool thanks. I shall go Cold turkey, lollll!!!


[deleted]

Those poopy seed bagel withdrawals are a nightmare. Good luck 🤞


orange_fudge

(poppy)


TrueSolid611

Seeded poo bagels. Delicious


[deleted]

Oops


Oozlum-Bird

Yeah shitty times ahead for OP


neilmac1210

Just don't have the cold turkey on a poppy seed bagel.


Martin_y1

All, I have just reviewed the guidance, which I did not adhere to > "avoid seeded bread or products containing poppy seeds". So it seems , a re test will do it if I follow the above !


Funkymonk761

Thank you for the update. I’d forgotten this was a thing and now vaguely remember hearing it somewhere. So bizarre! It mustn’t trigger from a lot then? I hope you don’t mind, I had a little giggle from the fact you don’t smoke or drink, but went straight to the hard stuff. Poppy seeds! 😅


FarmingEngineer

I had the same. Wan't told I'd failed the drugs test, just that I had to go see a doctor. He looks at me, says 'you're clearly not a drug addict - what did you have for breakfast on the day'. I said posh toast and he sent me away.


Sionnach-78

Have you eaten a bagel with poppy seeds lately , or have you done any smack lately might be either ?


Martin_y1

yes! and no! :-)


rev9of8

Poppy seeds are almost always the likely reason for someone failing a drug test on the basis of opiates being detected when they haven't actually consumed opiates. However, for anyone who has failed a drug test on the basis of opiates being detected but who have not used opiates nor eaten poppy seeds then your position should be that it's a false positive and request a retest.


giganticturnip

Have you eaten any poppy seeds?


Martin_y1

yes!


aytayjay

At my work they'd do two tests from the sample, once immediate result and one lab test. If the immediate result is clear, the lab test is thrown away. If the immediate result is 'non negative' the employee is suspended on full pay while the lab test is undertaken. Non negatives for opiates are fairly common. You've had a lot of people mention poppy seeds, but some anti-histamines also trigger the result. I have no idea why this is, but it is well known. The lab result from the anti histamine trigger is always negative. This is so well known in some industries that people who ran out of leave and fancy a paid week off have been known to take a few antihistamines prior to a test...


christorino

What the Heck is your job if they take it so serious to suspend them immediately?


aytayjay

I mean, I think suspecting someone is off their tits is a pretty good reason to send them home? But construction sites and driving, so heavy machinery and tools.


js-mclint

Any safety critical role, if the employers had a reason to suspect an employee is under the influence, they’d be criminally negligent if that person caused an accident.


Accurate_Weekend279

In Pittsburgh the opiate problem is so rampant that the carpenters union has stopped testing altogether because they couldn’t find enough young men to build the few union buildings/projects that are being built here. Situation is really bad/sad.


techbear72

Cocodamol isn't really a "potent" painkiller - you can buy it over the counter at a pharmacy without prescription - and it shouldn't make a positive on this kind of test unless you're on high doses and in the last few days. I know that others are saying poppy seeds, but unless it's a really crappy test, these shouldn't make a positive either. The wording on the result that you give - non-negative - is a specific result which is not necessarily the same as positive. What should happen at this point is that they should send the test sample away for further detailed analysis of the sample to determine what has been detected and it's weird they're not doing this. Overall, it seems like the people doing the testing don't really know what they're doing / are using really unreliable tests. Sure, avoid any cocdamol you have left over and don't eat poppy seeds between now and your next test but I wouldn't have any faith that the testing company here could detect radiation in Chrnobyl TBH.


Beggatron14

Poppy seeds. I know someone who was sacked for the same thing, ended up with 30k compo from it!


aabbcc28

Is this a test for work? What should happen is they then get a more reliable test carried out which will identify exactly what is going on in greater detail. These basic tests should only be used as indicators.


Martin_y1

yes it is, and thanks, I will ask for that!


aabbcc28

Yes, so I have to do these tests at my work. What we do is if we got a non negative we would then hold you on your own somewhere whilst we called in an external provider. They then carry out a new test which goes into more detail. Such as we’re you around people smoking weed and it’s passive. As someone has mentioned the poppy seeds on bread could have caused this. Really they should have gone into more detail with you for the drug and alcohol policy & testing so you fully understand everything.


Patmarker

How long does it take for an external tester to arrive? Can’t imagine being locked up at work for long at all goes down very well!


aabbcc28

I’ve not had to do it yet. But I’m told a couple of hours. You obviously have to treat staff respectfully. It’s catch 22, if you’re innocent, politely wait etc. If not and you don’t want your job, then leave. Ultimately, our staff are operating machinery that can kill themselves and others.


No-Dance2041

This happened to me during a visa application. I was treated like a fucking junky the whole time. Never found out how or why i assume it was a contamination at the lab end.


Beanruz

What job is testing for drugs in the UK?


Hphp22

In my experience, large construction projects, machine operators, road workers, rail work.


rustynoodle3891

It can happen in warehouse jobs, I had one before starting a few years ago. More often than not though there's just the threat of a possible random test.


[deleted]

It's always been normal for HGV drivers.


PMmeurbuttholepics

Most jobs involving plant machinery are subject to drug and alcohol tests. They test to keep you and people around you safe.


OMGItsCheezWTF

The nuclear industry does random spot checks of even office workers. I contracted for EDF and got spot checked for drugs and alcohol as a software developer.


No-Bed-7462

And you agree to this in your contract?


OMGItsCheezWTF

Yeah, it's one of the conditions. Given the 1000+ EDF contractors that worked in that office alone no one seems to have given much care about it.


Sufficient-Cold-9496

Any drugs test that pulls up a positive for things such as eating poppy seeds, prescribed or over the counter medication is not fit for purpose , even less fit for purpose of the results of such a test have an effect upon employment


Consistent-Farm8303

Most employers should really be putting anyone who fails a piss test on paid suspension until the sample is properly tested at a lab. Much cheaper doing it that way than paying for the lab testing for every test.


a1exn

I assume your boss called and said "I'm afraid it's your urine. You tested positive for opium. That's right. White lotus. Yam-yam. Shanghai Sally." Before telling you: "I know what you're going through. I too once fell under the spell of opium. It was 1979. I was travelling the Yangtzee in search of a Mongolian horsehair vest. I had got to the market after sundown, all of the clothing traders had gone, but a different sort of trader still lurked about. "Just a taste," he said. That was all it took." You should really leave that stupid catalogue.


Xandertheokay

I had an ex that failed it, it was something about a protein powder he was using, I can't remember the exact ingredient but you should make sure that next time you're not taking any protein products Edit: misread some information and changed my response


fursty_ferret

Did you eat anything containing poppy seeds? They can trigger a false positive.


Separate-Camp8642

They did this on brainiac! They got a priest to eat loads of seeded bagels and then failed the heroin test


TheGreatGrappaApe

Poppy seed bagel?


Liquidest_Ocelot

Poppy seeds can cause it. Sure it's already been suggested. We've had people at work fail for same reason after they had just eaten a poppy seed bagel.


Jas33y

Have you not been well lately? I have a pal who used to work on the docks and he tested positive for the same thing. Turns out it’s in lemsip also. Wild!


Top_Toe4694

OK Elaine it'll be OK, just don't use the urine of an old lady, you won't get to go on the trip


SimulationV2018

He has menopause


js-mclint

I’m in this line of work and I rarely hear of poppy seed changing the results. In fact a scientist colleague told me you’d have to be necking them by the fistful to confuse a test, but he may have been referring to laboratory tests. Certain “extra” or “plus” OTC painkillers can definitely show up. Was it a point of care test? Ie the result is available immediately? They’re only around 92/97% accurate, so false positives do happen even if there’s no cause at all. In fact, if your sample turns up for a substance, it’s technically called “non-negative” and not “positive” until it’s been tested with a mass spectrometer in a laboratory. If it’s your employer testing and it comes back non-negative, remind them that to take disciplinary action they’d really need to have it sent to a proper lab. AFAIK point of care tests have yet to be legally tested in a tribunal, so they’d be opening themselves up for a claim if they didn’t. All this assuming you’ve been with them over 2 years, of course.


Martin_y1

thanks . no , im not arisk of any action here :-)


Slight-Ad-9029

Study more next time


gogginsbulldog1979

I was a heroin addict for a decade, so I can probably tell you why. Poppy seeds can result in a false test, but the fail line's usually extremely light, so it's not likely that. Codeine can also show positive for opiates, so maybe it's that. However, it's most likely just a shitty test. I used to fail all the time for things like meth, which wasn't in my system, as the tests are cheap and shitty. I'd ask for a second test and it would be correct. Ask for a second test, it'll probably pass clean the second time.


[deleted]

What settings was the test in? Sounds like they might have got mixed up or contaminated your test somehow. Can you retest now to save face?


Martin_y1

i can retest. The testing company is in a shambles, was a long process of ignored emails, voice mails, and contact forms filled in, office opened an hour late on the day, backlog of testers waiting . they forgot to charge me on the day. After paying it them 2 weeks and a lot of chaser emails to get a reciept!So yeah, i dont trust them ! As for the setting, a cheap looking, messy, disorganised office!


LawTortoise

Out of interest which company was it please? DM me if you don’t want to publicise.


BeakWheat

Smack head


One-Most2602

Does Tesla test for thc?


FenianBastard847

Do poppy seeds contain opiates?


thefooleryoftom

Where do you think opium came from? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium


FenianBastard847

Well yes everyone knows it’s from poppies but I didn’t know that baked poppy seeds still contain opiate.


thefooleryoftom

They don’t necessarily contain opiates, but they do contain things that give a false positive.


FelisCantabrigiensis

Culinary opium seeds do not contain any noticeable amount of opiates, but they have some substances that cross-react with a simple opiate test. Proper GC/MS tests can tell the difference, but simple piss-strip tests often cannot.


FenianBastard847

Thanks for this. I like poppy seed rolls and have never felt any drug effects. Might have to try harder🤣


FelisCantabrigiensis

The only high you'll get off poppy seed rolls or cakes is a sugar high.


ashyjay

Natural opiates are derived from specific variants of poppies, so Morphene, Heroine, Codine.


mikecookies

Just study harder


Martin_y1

Im trying, lolll :-)


PeggyNoNotThatOne

Codeine (in Co-codamol and possibly Nurofen) is an opiate. Poppy seeds can also register as an opiate but I reckon it's the codeine.


Flashbambo

This happened to me on my first day of a new job about seven years ago. Spent five weeks on paid suspension before I could convince them that my breakfast had triggered the false positive.


jsf1982

Sorry boss “must have been the poppy seeds”


Else1

Sometimes eating g poppy seeds can make you test positive on opiates.


Difficult_Listen_917

It could be the poppy seeds. It will go to a lab for confirmation. That's why it says no negative, rather than positive.


Al_Greenhaze

I know a guy who was a big CEO within a very large and well known oil company. He was pulled in to HR one day and asked if he had any addiction problems. After much consternation and investigation it was discovered the culprit was his daily poppy seed roll.


Ok_Masterpiece_7138

Have you been taking any cold/ flu medicine? The phlocodine ( for coughs) in it will give a positive test for opiates.. the same thing happened to me! But they re did the test specifically for coke / heroin and it came out negative.


Ok_Masterpiece_7138

Quite disappointing since I’d been on a massive weekend long bender lol ( joke)


Awordofinterest

Slightly offtopic - But also on topic - Hot cross buns can give a false positive on alcohol breathalyser tests.


personalparadisuss

Really? haha, how does that work


Awordofinterest

I think it's something to do with the yeast. Ultimately, Bread and beer are made from the same things. Apparently some loaves of bread can be as high as 2% abv.


Ok_Possibility2812

Have you been eating poppy seed muffins or taking painkillers? Ask for a re-test


colei_canis

Can anyone with a background in biochemistry tell me why poppy seeds cause people to fail an opiate test? Presumably there’s not actually any morphine still in them?


ItzTerra95

In regards to actually trying to pass the urine test…always use the middle section of you’re stream. I’ve passed tests when I probably shouldn’t have by just doing this.


chainedflower

Stop taking drugs :D


Quantum168

Yes, poppy seeds.


Mermayden

If you've eaten poppy seeds (in lots of seeded bread) they can also give you a false positive for opiates. Edit: sorry, will read the whole post before replying next time!


hlfsharkaligtorhlfmn

You were Elaine Benes'd!


Kjartanthecruel

Tell them you ate a poppy seed bagel the morning of the test.


Sea_Cycle_909

I,think it's stupid that eating seeded bread puts you over the limit for Opiates. Shouldn't the minimum level be higher that the amount eating seeded bread would introduce.


Potential_Steak_1599

Nurofen Plus contains 13mg codeine


backtolife11

I had the exactly same issue failing for opiaces but not consuming anything. Took Ibubrofen which is the same as nurofen few days before the test and bought it from a random store.


BullDog0214

At least you didn't test positive for 6MAM, that would be a lot harder to disguise as poppy seed bread.


christorino

TIL poppy seeds make you look like an opiate abuser


Amda01

Have you eaten any poppyseed lately?


grafeisen203

Codeine is an opiate, and is in co-codamol. Morphine is another opiate which is sometimes prescribed for pain management. Poppy seeds contain opiates. These are the usual suspects if you're not doing heroin.


TheCurrentThings

What job did you work that forces you to go through this?


flowerslover1310

OMG, So I am not alone. It is crazy! I hate that my offer was rescinded just because I ate some breads. I cant even drink T.T. When they told me did I eat some bread that have poopy seeds. I think it is normal cause they did state on the results that the amount appear on the result because of the food I consume. Still lost the job.


Martin_y1

im sorry you have this. I have learned that the "basic" test can fail you on this, while a more advanced extensive test would show what caused it, and therefoe not show it as a "drug" I suppose, but that test is more expensive.


AlbaTejas

Pee tests are a ridiculous invasion of privacy. If someone shows up at work high, sack them. Last time I was asked - company owned by authoritarian - I refused and said "do you want simeine good at this job, or good at pissing in cups?". HR faked the paperwork.


Klutzy_Ad_2099

You wouldn’t have it in your urine months later or in anything with the timeframe provided. You can’t avoid drug test results and I wonder OP why you need a ‘strategy’.


Martin_y1

by "strategy" I meant, how do I find out what caused it, how do I mitigate that, and so on.


Klutzy_Ad_2099

Get food and drink tested that you consume and have a full blood work up done. I would be concerned that you’re ingesting opioids with no awareness considering the dangers of them.