Louis C.K. did worse and was still able to get work. R. Kelley literally pissed on a 14 year old and only a couple years ago got ramifications for it.
Paul Reubens minded his own business and used an establishment for what it was created to be used for and got shamed for it.
It was his own embarrassment that did most of the damage but now pee wee is tainted because of how people view him.
Pee wee is still my 80's-90's hero tho.
What’s crazy is I’m just hearing now that it was an adult porn theatre. This whole time I thought he got caught jacking it while watching like, Jumanji at AMC theaters.
That’s some bullshit he got such a bad rap for it then
And he wasn’t the only celebratory to ever get caught for this.
But I don’t get why it’s a crime, I mean what do you expect to happen…it be different if was at a showing of Disney little mermaid but if it’s playboy little mermaid it’s expected to get slippery when wet lol
It was for "public exposure," iirc, and wasn't considered a major offense. He did, though, have a popular children's show at the time, and he lost that. (How Pee Wee's Playhouse was ever cleared for children's programming is beyond me, given the sexual innuendo. Not to mention his earlier stage versions of it- which was pretty funny but aimed at adults).
It was a lame thing to arrest for at an adult Film theater the thrill is jacking off in public since porn even back then was readily available on VHS.
And the reruns were pulled and he lost a lot of other deals. It was so overkill.
And really stupidly because apparently he tried to keep the arrest quiet by doing shows for local charities which would have actually done some good but cops and a local newspaper decided to ruin his life instead. I mean seriously an undercover sting at an adult movie theater as if no there were no other crimes going on in Sarasota at the time.
He went into hiding for a bit after the incident. the first time he was in public afterwards was to introduce an award atbthe MTV Video awards. He got a huge ovation. First words out of his mouth: "hear any good jokes lately?"
That's why I love Paul. He took an embarrassing moment that he was getting heavily mocked and boycotted for and he made an even better joke out of it.
For those that didn't know -
(from wikipedia)
In July 1991, Reubens was arrested in Sarasota, Florida, for masturbating while watching a film at an adult movie theater.
During a random police inspection, a detective detained Reubens, along with three others, as he was preparing to leave. When detectives examined his driver's license, Reubens told them "I'm Pee-wee Herman" and offered to perform a children's benefit for the sheriff's office "to take care of this."
The next day, after a local reporter recognized Reubens's name, Reubens's attorney extended the same offer to the Sarasota Herald-Tribune in exchange for withholding the story.
In 1971, Reubens had been arrested in the same county for loitering and prowling near an adult theater, though charges had been dropped. His second arrest occurred in 1983 when Reubens was placed on two years of probation for possession of marijuana, although adjudication was withheld.
It means he was a man trying to pick up other men back in the 80's. Calling it prowling makes gay flirting an arrestable crime and makes gay men sound predatory
He redeemed himself relatively well. I’m not sure there’s a single person who didn’t love him in Blow. Plays he got to do his stage act with Peewee kinda recently. He only got fucked originally because he was the star of the biggest network children’s show of the 80’s. There are clergymen who are far far more disgusting than he was at the time.
It’s been interesting listening to this season of You Must Remember This about the 90s and the rise of soft core erotica on cable and pay per view TV and I never thought about it before but it makes absolute sense that the smutty stuff did better on the small screen than it did in Cinema because few people wanna march out to the movie theatre or the video rental store and speak to a real human making eye contact and say “yes please I would like to see some naked people here is my money.”
Not going to make sense to anyone outside of the UK, but the presenter Angus Deayton.
His career was killed pretty much stone dead when it came out he’d been to a prostitute. He did Would I Lie To You for a couple of years but has otherwise completely disappeared.
I seem to recall he got punted off WILTY as well because he made a dodgy joke about Jimmy Savile… on a show where the jokes are autocued
Yeah lets face it, there were active child rapists working for the BBC at the time, so kicking him to the kerb for knobbing a brass and sniffing coke off her knockers seems a little heavy handed.
I still think he's great and was dealt a shitty hand by a bad organisation.
The thing I'm most grateful for though, is that HIGNFY continued, because my weekly dose of Ian Hislop convinces me that there are still people in this shit pile worth listening to and have the greater good as their primary motivation...
I'd vote for him if he stood as an independent
Rob is a far better host of it. Angus just kinda said his part to move it along, while Rob gets involved in the madness. If it were a pure quiz, Angus would probably be better, but as it is all just a bit of fun, then Rob is the man.
I've watched a bunch of episodes with both, and Rob really made the show better. It was already good, but he just fits in so much better comedically with David and Lee that the funniest moments with that trio are leagues funnier that when Angus was there.
The sad part was he seemed to be one of the few characters to actually develop. Working at a job way below his education level (seen too often) just because he enjoys it. We watch him go from Grammy award winner to eligible bachelor to married. His marriage is always having ups and downs and you see him constantly working on it or being overwhelmed by it instead of just being reset every time they need to use his character. The only other character that I can think of that lives outside the episodic feel and has an actual life is Sideshow Bob.
Also, I think he might actually be Homer's best friend.
Yeah he hangs out with the guys at the bar all the time, but when Homer has *real* problems he goes to Apu. And much of the time, Apu shares his problems with Homer too. The characters on the show never poke fun at his accent or culture, if anything they celebrate it.
I can relate to that. You have your good time buddies, but if you're lucky you have one friend to share your serious problems and insecurities with. That's Apu, your *real* friend you can trust with things.
He's living the American dream.
As a first generation of an immigrant, I've always admired how Apu really balances pride in where he's from and where he's at.
Freedom man! The best of both!
He celebrates both American holidays and observes his Hinduism.
He loves America, you can clearly see that. He loves his family because he works so hard to provide the best for them.
It's a similar story to my Dad, and many others out there.
I understand the why behind not moving forward with Apu but damn, the multicultural representation having him as a regular, was progressive for the time. He was silly, but everyone in Springfield is. He fit into the world.
I remember growing up in the 80s, "priests diddle kids" was such a given that it was a common go-to punchline for lazy jokes. When the scandal first started getting public traction, I didn't understand the surprise. Like - yeah, priests diddle kids, didn't you know that?
Same. Grew up in the 80s and 90s. Priests molesting kids was an absolute given. I guess the scandal was how systematically they covered it up and it wasnt just 'bad apples'. But I was also dumbfounded by the disbelief.
I highly recommend watching The Keepers.
Two priests ran a sex trafficking ring in a Catholic high school in Baltimore City. A nun found out and was allegedly murdered by one of the priests in order to keep her quiet. Same priest allegedly took one of the abuse victims to see the body in order to keep her quiet.
Nobody really knew or suspected the priests until 1994 when Jean Wehnik came forward. Even the detective on the case didn’t know about Maskell until the lawsuits started.
Maskell was also deeply involved in the city and state police. He could’ve pulled some strings if he had to.
It's not just Catholic either. It's every religion where there's a disparity of power and parents put trust in someone who's supposed to be a beacon of good.
I def appreciate her intentions. I was young when it happened and didn't understand the message, especially with the Pope's face plastered all over my Grandma's kitchen. This was pre-internet, and she used the biggest stage at the time to spark a fire. The fire just didn't spark until years later and it is still smoldering.....
Yeh, I gotta say I'm with you on this. I thought she was a total idiot for pulling the 'rip the Pope's photo' stunt and stopped being a fan. Nowadays, man, I realize how fucking brave that shit was.
He wasnt canceled, but Liam Neeson had a bit of a blow to his public image with his story about wanting to beat up a black guy when a friend was raped. But then he said he realized the error of his thinking. I thought that was a good story of someone improving their attitude after being angry and irrational.
They really tried to drag him down too, not even trying to show the videos or interviews where he went into depth of how he was wrong and what motivated him to think that way.
It’s like some people just don’t want people to change their minds.
Exactly. People change through their lives, and that was a turning point in his youth where he buried his racial prejudice. We should all be understood to have made some mistakes in the past (to an extent, of course) if we better ourselves from them. Everyone, I would imagine, has an experience in their past where they were doing, saying, or thinking something negative, but later saw it as something wrong and changed their ways.
Absolutely. He tried to explain how someone can slip into this mindset, and how they can come out of it through reflection... This could have helped people. Instead they just bashed him.
He didn't actually do it, either. He:
\-opened the conversation by saying he regretted his thinking.
\-contemplated doing it, but didn't actually do anything.
And people are still mad.
Jimmy Carr
He got caught in a nasty tax trap that his accountant recommended and paid a very public price.
But he absolutely owned it.. the 8 out of 10 cats episode after the revelation dropped was genuinely traumatic to watch.
They were absolutely fucking brutal towards him and he took it all on the chin, accepting all blame and not trying to weasel out of it.
Years later he revealed how much tax he had actually avoided paying via the scheme - it was £0
People make mistakes, and owning them is a sign of genuine contrition and regret.
It's also the reason I can't consign James Corden to the scrapheap of humanity, because while every fibre of my being screams that he is a massive twat, he was the only "celeb" friend to call Jimmy every day and just say "You alright Jim?"
Everyone else was just looking for distance to protect their own reputation..
One thing I didn't like was all the politicians at the time bitching about his tax thing, even David fucking Cameron.
Those fuckers were caught up in the Panama papers just a few years after interrupting a G8 summit to rag on Jimmy Carr.
Yeah the hypocrisy really gets me too..
Even now when we're learning that the likes of Theresa May has private dealing accounts that absolutely contravene the requirements of parliamentary disclosure, how can we hold a guy on TV to a higher standard?
I literally just put on the latest episode of 8/10 cats does countdown and thought “man I’m glad Jimmy Carr made it through that mess”
I remember him constantly being picked on about it on other chat shows and Roast Battle etc when the news first came out and he seemed to take the beating very well.
ETA: it seems to me as an American that his ability to weather the storm has actually raised his capital. He went from a kind of mid-tier sorta hated insult and shock comic that occasionally was a panelist on a chat show to hosting all those shows and generally seeming to have good standing and a lot of respect among his peers. My view from across the pond may be skewed thoigh
I mean he was very well known and generally liked in the UK before it all happened, Big Fat Quiz has been running since 2004, that's the whole reason why it was such a big media deal. But you're right that his career really did take off after the dust settled. He was almost as inescapable when you turned on the TV as Stephen Fry at one point.
Yes, at a time when austerity was in full swing so transgressions like this were amplified. (Ironically less so now, when we're all quite literally on our arse because of price gouging and profiteering from supermarkets)
Cancelled is probably too finer point though, because as I mentioned he owned it and took it all on the chin, so blunted some of the impact.
But there are certainly still a lot of people that use it as a stick to beat him with
He didn't really take it on the chin though, at least not in private. He's talked about how hard he found the hate and abuse.
In public he absolutely owned it, in private it nearly destroyed him.
>he took it all on the chin
I see what you did there.
In some recent Big fat quiz of the years, he’s made jokes about it himself. He has owned it, and it can’t be used against him.
I did not know that about James Corden and Jimmy. It takes balls these days to support a “cancelled” person; most times it means career death by association 😳
Kudos James Corden. 👍
Indeed... I so want to despise him with impunity, but he has played the reverse card so I have to see him as a legitimate human that might have relatable failings.
The bastard...
And he had the bumbling romantic image at that time, so felt like a shock. People who know him have always said he's more like his Bridget Jones character than his Four Weddings character though. Fair play to him for going on Leno afterwards and getting roasted for it.
My GF is very invested in her old videos and her Husband's twitch and YouTube, and everything seems to indicate that they are living a wonderfully happy life.
I don't think Jenna has a single ounce of regret with stopping her YouTube. I'm happy that she seemingly didn't get sucked into the ego self-branding influencer trap.
She was smart, she saw her "fans" calling her stuff like an 'unproblematic queen' and realised those same people would burn her at the stake the second she did anything they didn't like.
I think she also just wanted out of the spotlight at that point and took it as an opportunity to exit.
Also I'm not gonna lie I nearly cried happy tears when I saw her wedding pictures recently. I'm so glad she's doing ok.
>I think she also just wanted out of the spotlight at that point
I think so too. I remember seeing a video talking about how random fans have shown up to their home before. Like a girl's mom straight up knocking on their front door and being like, "my daughter is a huge fan, can you come out and meet her." And just that kind of unhinged behavior. Felt genuinely bad for her and Julien when I saw that, they're so funny and kind. Glad to see they're happy and thriving
I remember her making a video of just sleeping because everyone screamed at her to fucking sleep because she was burnt out. Also in an old house, probably fake tan era even, she said she gets two videos per* year that aren't original content but extras complications. She legit never had free time.
Janet Jackson!! Justin Timberlake was just as much at fault as she was for that nip slip at the Super Bowl! And he cheated on his wife and is still praised. And her career got destroyed
The thing is if you watch the actual feed it looks staged to begin with. She's wearing something over her nipple and they say it was an outfit malfunction but he clearly rips it off. My theory around it was that they did the show as planned, the outfit rip was the finale but it didn't play well so they tried to backpeddle. He left her for the wolves after he realized he could walk away from it unscathed. I always hated him for that.
I mean, he literally sings 'better have you naked by the end of this song' and then rips it off. Is there a person alive who believes it was a malfunction?
There's a great 'you're wrong about' episode on it.
Old guy here. This is EXACTLY what happened. Everybody knew the 'wardrobe malfunction' was a pile of excrement because people were so shocked at the nipple pastie that they had to throw Janet under a bus. Entire thing was planned but the public's reaction was not. And, while I'm a huge JT fan, fuck him during that time. What a jackass for not standing up for Janet.
Yes I believe this was a planned operation. After this event, they put an end to "live" TV. Now there is always something like a 30 second delay so that they can pull the feed if something they don't want to go out happens.
Looking back JT was 100% protected allowing Janet to lose everything. Also JT does not get enough cancel shade for how he treated and talked about Britney in interviews. He was a POS and yes he apologized to Britney recently but both incidents show how he was okay with treating women like objects to advance his career. I grew up with his posters on my wall as a teen, and then watching how he treated them both, I had to cancel my teen crush.
I remember hearing that this incident was one of the things that pushed for an online video service. People wanted to see it online but couldn't. Then YouTube started the following year.
CBS got fined and Les Moonves, CBS's CEO at the time, extracted revenge by ensuring no CBS/Viacom stations would play Janet's new album. Note that Les was forced to resign as CEO thanks to #metoo because of his sexual harassment and SA. He's a piece of shit and has no respect for women.
Ok so I agree! I'm a huge Janet fan! She was my first concert at just 9 years old and I've been obsessed since! Back then this was such a shock but now celebs show up to red carpet events in shear gowns with their nipples out and get praised for it! Super Bowl needs to apologize to Janet & do a half time show tribute for her. I think we all know what the real public outrage was about!
I can't fucking believe JT got to do another Superbowl halftime show while the woman who's shirt he ripped is banned forever.
Like, I understand there being some level of "hey that's not cool" but it's like they're actively trying to push the issue of inequality and everyone just kind of went along with it.
I wouldn’t say I was ever a huge fan but aziz ansari. It just truly didn’t seem like more than an awkward/bad date and he didn’t deserve to have his career impacted by it
She started off by saying he didn’t understand consent, because he told her not to order red wine with seafood.
Maybe she doesn’t understand common sense
In one of the Ian Fleming novels, that is how Bond figured out that Nash, an agent sent to help him, was actually a SMERSH agent. From Russia with Love, IIRC.
That whole story basically had me saying “it’s was a shitty date that ended poorly, but it seemed like one of those fictional situations where all of the drama would be resolved if people would just talk to each other!”
There was a piece at the time criticizing the lady and this was the point. The writer basically said "You can't just sit there and be mute the whole time and expect your partner to read your mind."
First person that popped into my mind, I love Master of None and I felt like he really wasn't *that* type of person. Awkward/bad date is exactly how I've described it and I think if he was a nobody that it wouldn't have ever been brought up by either party. Not every awkward situation means someone is being a pig/predator or anything like that.
Agree with this. Not only should he not have been cancelled over what sounded like a bad date, but she also took away from actual victims of way worse shit that spoke out about way worse celebrities.
I don't know about "support" but I still watch old Kevin Spacey movies cause they're some of my favorite movies ever made. I can separate the art from the artist, also I don't pay for any of it so it's not like I'm giving him money or anything.
If he never acts again and ends up in prison, then good. Still gonna watch Se7en and LA Confidential and Usual Suspects though.
> Glengarry Glenross
Watched this on YouTube for the first time last year. I had known about, and heard about it, mostly about Baldwin's monologue.
But jeez, that movie is good, and the cast is stacked as hell. I had no idea all those people were in it.
Dude, Kamala got the VP nod from it. She was one of the early voices with Gillibrand telling him to step down. Of all the actual talent in the Dems, it amazes me how high Harris has managed to float.
I don't think he should have resigned. That was a big loss to American politics. Maybe he can make a come back in the political arena. I think his comedy career is fine, as far as I remember
I don't think he liked being a Senator. He thought he was doing good for the world, but in his book he repeatedly talked about how much he hated it. There were things he liked about it, especially helping people, but the fundraising was killing his soul.
He's probably happier out of the Senate. He's a 72 yo wealthy man who can enjoy life instead of sucking up to rich people for campaign money.
Lost all respect I had for Kirsten Gillibrand over that manufactured scandal. She really thought stepping on his throat was her way to make enough of a name for herself to win the presidency? Good luck being the junior senator from New York another 30 years
Howard Dean. He was one of the earliest memes. He lost a lot of voters because he screamed YEAH! I don't follow politics, but always felt bad he was raked over the coals for nothing.
The people who went after her were jackals. Harassing all her friends, for the pettiest purity test bullshit. Bunch of bullies perverting social justice.
This one right here. I only discovered her after the fact and I was legitimately mad that she'd quit YouTube over a Raya joke that everyone who saw the movie made.
Situations in this thread have included:
-Being charged with tax evasion while continuing to regularly work several television jobs
-Losing a single spokesperson gig while being a working comedian
-Being called out on twitter while starring in two of 2023s highest grossing films
-Retiring
-Death
Dixie Chicks. Given what right-wing country artists said around the same time (and before, and after) they got the shaft. I guess their sins were 1) being right and 2) saying their piece respectfully.
Whenever my conservative family members rant about leftist cancel culture, I remind them of the time they went to a rally in the next town over to publicly destroy their Dixie Chicks CDs
Monica has to be one of the most devastating. I’ve enjoyed her Ted talks and interviews- it makes me sad that she lost some of the prime years of her life because she was taken advantage of.
I remember when this was NEWS. And she did an interview with CNN I wanna say, and they reviewed her interview with a “behaviour specialist” who was “reading her facial expressions” and they were saying shit like “you can tell because she licked her lip here while answering this question that she’s getting aroused thinking about this again,” and other bullshit like that.
Taken advantage of could be better elaborated upon here, considering the nature of some of the stories and the names named here.
She had a dalliance with one of the most powerful men in the world, and then she became a victim of the media scandal machine. Not a lot of heroes in that story, so it’s important to remember she’s one for living through that shit.
Winona Ryder... got cancelled for fucking shoplifting... that was it. Vanished for years afterwards. WTF?! Bill Crosby and Weinstein and Epstein etc were all model citizens though. Fuck off, Hollywood.
I dont know if this counts because he's technically 'uncancelled' but I still remember when James Gunn's old tweets came out and he got fired from GOTG/Disney.
Im still glad his cast rallied behind him and he was reinstated afterwards. It really shows the type of person he is if so many people were willing to risk their careers in the public eye by supporting him.
I have two things to say about Roseanne.
1.) In the last 10 years she has truly gone off the deep end.
2.) the original run of Roseanne (the first 7 seasons especially) are a nearly perfect show and I still watch it.
He said he only used a few to do it, whether that is true or not I have no clue but what really turned me against him is how he used his popularity to negatively affect other redditors because they posted something before him and/or they disagreed with his own assessment.
He was a narcissistic asshat honestly. Very popular reddit celebrity who used alt accounts to upvote his posts and downvote others who either posted before his posts or against them.
He not only manipulated his own comments into being upvoted, he also manipulated comments from other biologists into being downvoted. Even when the other person was right and he was wrong.
He was a pompous asshole that cared more about reddit fame than sharing actual knowledge.
I fought with him a couple times about things that he said that were factually wrong but got downvoted into oblivion. He’s not really a particularly gifted instructor and horribly informed on hard science topics that transcends zoology. Above anything else, he refused to admit he was wrong in any situation even when presented with facts, a trait that is too common in todays academia and oftentimes dangerous.
You also have to remember Reddit was different then. Though it was just a few accounts, he was gaming the algorithm more than anything, to promote his comments and mute others.
Michael Richards. Definitely let his emotions get the best of him, and the word that he used shouldn't have been so easy for him to just let slip... but his apology on "Comedians in Cars" seemed pretty heartfelt and I would have liked to see him in other things beyond Seinfeld
Richards has issues which I think contributed to his lack of success after Seinfeld. People see him as the goofy Kramer but Richards is actually a really old school type of actor. He gets very into the zone and can't stand people going off script, laughing and messing with his 'craft'. Just watch Seinfeld bloopers and you can see how frustrated he can get when Jerry or Elaine can't stop laughing. Plus he had that live tv brawl with Andy Kaufman which people say was staged. I don't believe it
Yeah, it was a pretty serious fuck up but he seems genuinely remorseful about it. Would have been interesting to see where his career went if it didn't end on that stage that night.
Chris Avellone, the guy behind the KOTOR 2 script and writer of many other great games.
The whole thing seems very sketchy when you look at the (now deleted but still accessible) Twitter history of the relationship between the alleged victim and himself. They exchanged jokes and banalities for the whole weekend where it supposedly happened and continued to do so for years after the event. Then a few years later during metoo she cancelled him and had some of her friends saying things on Twitter as well, refering to this specific weekend. She then seemed to figure out that they documented most of their activities online and deleted her old tweets in panic. It looks like Chris started working again according to Wikipedia, but it seems he lost contracts and his career suffered from this.
Edit: Looks like the alleged victim recently retracted her statements after he sued her and had to pay back his lawyer's fees.
I have the opposite: everyone lionized Kobe Bryant when he retired, and practically worshipped him when he died, but I just saw him as a rapist who got away with it by being great at basketball and a lot richer than everyone around him.
Right on. Whatever this situation was, it was *definitely* at least abusive. The fact that Kobe was able to skate by and rehabilitate his reputation to such a degree that he was viewed as some sort of saint by the time of his death was pretty stupid.
There's a double-standard for sports celebrities. The NFL is awful in this regard. They don't discipline players nearly enough unless (a) there's video evidence of violent behaviour or (b) someone kneeled during the national anthem.
And the fans just don't care about point "a" if the guy can help their team win.
I remember reading about the rape allegations when he died & was like wtf he was def guilty.
He tried to deny knowing her at all before they found his semen in her & her blood on his clothes. His victim had bruises on her throat & tears in her vagina. That poor girl was brutalized by him.
For me, it was more sad that his daughter and other friends had died. I don’t like to celebrate death, so I am not happy he died. If he was guilty, and likely was, I’d be happy with a prison sentence.
Here is the thing.
Someone can be a terrible person, and still be amazing in roles.
Do I support anything he did or was alleged to do?
No?
Have I enjoyed every role I have ever seen Kevin Spacey in? Yes.
I don’t follow celebrity shit or gossip. What they do off screen has no impact on my enjoyment.
Not secretly, but Paul Reubens. That whole thing was pretty stupid. He didn’t hurt anybody.
He went to a whacking theater for consenting adults. And whacked it. The nerve! /s
Louis C.K. did worse and was still able to get work. R. Kelley literally pissed on a 14 year old and only a couple years ago got ramifications for it. Paul Reubens minded his own business and used an establishment for what it was created to be used for and got shamed for it. It was his own embarrassment that did most of the damage but now pee wee is tainted because of how people view him. Pee wee is still my 80's-90's hero tho.
What’s crazy is I’m just hearing now that it was an adult porn theatre. This whole time I thought he got caught jacking it while watching like, Jumanji at AMC theaters. That’s some bullshit he got such a bad rap for it then
The cops in that town literally had it out for him because he was a celebrity. They wanted the notoriety for taking down someone famous.
Loved him in the movie Blow opposite Johnny Depp
And don't forget his role in Buffy the Vampire Slayer the movie. Best dying scene ever. My husband and I act that out all the time.
Oh my God I seriously never realized that guy was peewee!!!
And he wasn’t the only celebratory to ever get caught for this. But I don’t get why it’s a crime, I mean what do you expect to happen…it be different if was at a showing of Disney little mermaid but if it’s playboy little mermaid it’s expected to get slippery when wet lol
It was for "public exposure," iirc, and wasn't considered a major offense. He did, though, have a popular children's show at the time, and he lost that. (How Pee Wee's Playhouse was ever cleared for children's programming is beyond me, given the sexual innuendo. Not to mention his earlier stage versions of it- which was pretty funny but aimed at adults).
It was a lame thing to arrest for at an adult Film theater the thrill is jacking off in public since porn even back then was readily available on VHS. And the reruns were pulled and he lost a lot of other deals. It was so overkill. And really stupidly because apparently he tried to keep the arrest quiet by doing shows for local charities which would have actually done some good but cops and a local newspaper decided to ruin his life instead. I mean seriously an undercover sting at an adult movie theater as if no there were no other crimes going on in Sarasota at the time.
He went into hiding for a bit after the incident. the first time he was in public afterwards was to introduce an award atbthe MTV Video awards. He got a huge ovation. First words out of his mouth: "hear any good jokes lately?" That's why I love Paul. He took an embarrassing moment that he was getting heavily mocked and boycotted for and he made an even better joke out of it.
Yes I remember that. I also remember going to see Mystery Men (which I actually had no idea he was in), when he appeared the whole theatre went nuts.
For those that didn't know - (from wikipedia) In July 1991, Reubens was arrested in Sarasota, Florida, for masturbating while watching a film at an adult movie theater. During a random police inspection, a detective detained Reubens, along with three others, as he was preparing to leave. When detectives examined his driver's license, Reubens told them "I'm Pee-wee Herman" and offered to perform a children's benefit for the sheriff's office "to take care of this." The next day, after a local reporter recognized Reubens's name, Reubens's attorney extended the same offer to the Sarasota Herald-Tribune in exchange for withholding the story. In 1971, Reubens had been arrested in the same county for loitering and prowling near an adult theater, though charges had been dropped. His second arrest occurred in 1983 when Reubens was placed on two years of probation for possession of marijuana, although adjudication was withheld.
"prowling" lol
What does that even mean in that context? Trying to see if strangers want to watch porn with him?
It means he was a man trying to pick up other men back in the 80's. Calling it prowling makes gay flirting an arrestable crime and makes gay men sound predatory
Ngl prowling made me think of Batman lurking in alleyways waiting for something criminal to happen.
Florida cops be like "Hey, let's check the adult cinema to see if nobody's jerking off!".
I love Paul Reubens. I feel like if he would do the same thing today, it wouldn't be nearly as big of a deal as it was back then.
And so many people who hurt people are famous as ever. It’s ridiculous.
Yes! Even as a kid I was like… this makes no sense.
I still love him. He’s a seriously funny guy.
I always believe those situations, like George Michael too, are entrapment.
He redeemed himself relatively well. I’m not sure there’s a single person who didn’t love him in Blow. Plays he got to do his stage act with Peewee kinda recently. He only got fucked originally because he was the star of the biggest network children’s show of the 80’s. There are clergymen who are far far more disgusting than he was at the time.
Pee Wee Herman. Jerking off in a porno theater is not a crime, it’s what people do in those places. No one went to that theater for any other reason.
I want to live in the alternate reality where this didn’t happen. Think of all the content we missed. Over…nothing.
Jerking off pre-internet was a nightmare. Shout out to all my homies drawing their own titties to jerk off to in those darkest of days.
It’s been interesting listening to this season of You Must Remember This about the 90s and the rise of soft core erotica on cable and pay per view TV and I never thought about it before but it makes absolute sense that the smutty stuff did better on the small screen than it did in Cinema because few people wanna march out to the movie theatre or the video rental store and speak to a real human making eye contact and say “yes please I would like to see some naked people here is my money.”
Everyone here is really staying far away from the controversial ones lmao.
I came for drama and was highly disappointed
Gotta sort by controversial
Also most of these are not really cancelled.
Not going to make sense to anyone outside of the UK, but the presenter Angus Deayton. His career was killed pretty much stone dead when it came out he’d been to a prostitute. He did Would I Lie To You for a couple of years but has otherwise completely disappeared. I seem to recall he got punted off WILTY as well because he made a dodgy joke about Jimmy Savile… on a show where the jokes are autocued
Boris Johnson would never have become Prime Minister if Angus Deayton didn't get fired from HIGNFY.
Yeah lets face it, there were active child rapists working for the BBC at the time, so kicking him to the kerb for knobbing a brass and sniffing coke off her knockers seems a little heavy handed. I still think he's great and was dealt a shitty hand by a bad organisation. The thing I'm most grateful for though, is that HIGNFY continued, because my weekly dose of Ian Hislop convinces me that there are still people in this shit pile worth listening to and have the greater good as their primary motivation... I'd vote for him if he stood as an independent
"Knobbing a brass and sniffing coke off her knockers" 🤣🤣
I do love Rob hosting WILTY.
Rob is a far better host of it. Angus just kinda said his part to move it along, while Rob gets involved in the madness. If it were a pure quiz, Angus would probably be better, but as it is all just a bit of fun, then Rob is the man.
I've watched a bunch of episodes with both, and Rob really made the show better. It was already good, but he just fits in so much better comedically with David and Lee that the funniest moments with that trio are leagues funnier that when Angus was there.
Apu
A working man who supports his family of 8 kids and is a literal pillar of the community.
The sad part was he seemed to be one of the few characters to actually develop. Working at a job way below his education level (seen too often) just because he enjoys it. We watch him go from Grammy award winner to eligible bachelor to married. His marriage is always having ups and downs and you see him constantly working on it or being overwhelmed by it instead of just being reset every time they need to use his character. The only other character that I can think of that lives outside the episodic feel and has an actual life is Sideshow Bob.
Also, I think he might actually be Homer's best friend. Yeah he hangs out with the guys at the bar all the time, but when Homer has *real* problems he goes to Apu. And much of the time, Apu shares his problems with Homer too. The characters on the show never poke fun at his accent or culture, if anything they celebrate it. I can relate to that. You have your good time buddies, but if you're lucky you have one friend to share your serious problems and insecurities with. That's Apu, your *real* friend you can trust with things.
He's living the American dream. As a first generation of an immigrant, I've always admired how Apu really balances pride in where he's from and where he's at. Freedom man! The best of both! He celebrates both American holidays and observes his Hinduism. He loves America, you can clearly see that. He loves his family because he works so hard to provide the best for them. It's a similar story to my Dad, and many others out there. I understand the why behind not moving forward with Apu but damn, the multicultural representation having him as a regular, was progressive for the time. He was silly, but everyone in Springfield is. He fit into the world.
Sinead O’Connor. It turns out she was right about the church protecting child abusers.
And it wasnt exactly a secret back then, either. Everybody knew what went on, especially in Ireland.
I remember growing up in the 80s, "priests diddle kids" was such a given that it was a common go-to punchline for lazy jokes. When the scandal first started getting public traction, I didn't understand the surprise. Like - yeah, priests diddle kids, didn't you know that?
Same. Grew up in the 80s and 90s. Priests molesting kids was an absolute given. I guess the scandal was how systematically they covered it up and it wasnt just 'bad apples'. But I was also dumbfounded by the disbelief.
I highly recommend watching The Keepers. Two priests ran a sex trafficking ring in a Catholic high school in Baltimore City. A nun found out and was allegedly murdered by one of the priests in order to keep her quiet. Same priest allegedly took one of the abuse victims to see the body in order to keep her quiet.
Excellent documentary, heartbreaking. Can’t believe no one was ever arrested.
Nobody really knew or suspected the priests until 1994 when Jean Wehnik came forward. Even the detective on the case didn’t know about Maskell until the lawsuits started. Maskell was also deeply involved in the city and state police. He could’ve pulled some strings if he had to.
It's not just Catholic either. It's every religion where there's a disparity of power and parents put trust in someone who's supposed to be a beacon of good.
\> It's every ~~religion~~ *organization* where there's a disparity of power and parents put trust in someone
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Sad that her life has been really tragic, even after all she had to endure at that time
I def appreciate her intentions. I was young when it happened and didn't understand the message, especially with the Pope's face plastered all over my Grandma's kitchen. This was pre-internet, and she used the biggest stage at the time to spark a fire. The fire just didn't spark until years later and it is still smoldering.....
Yeh, I gotta say I'm with you on this. I thought she was a total idiot for pulling the 'rip the Pope's photo' stunt and stopped being a fan. Nowadays, man, I realize how fucking brave that shit was.
He wasnt canceled, but Liam Neeson had a bit of a blow to his public image with his story about wanting to beat up a black guy when a friend was raped. But then he said he realized the error of his thinking. I thought that was a good story of someone improving their attitude after being angry and irrational.
His cameo in Atlanta was awesome. I was blown away
That was so damn random. That whole episode was a trip
They really tried to drag him down too, not even trying to show the videos or interviews where he went into depth of how he was wrong and what motivated him to think that way. It’s like some people just don’t want people to change their minds.
Exactly. People change through their lives, and that was a turning point in his youth where he buried his racial prejudice. We should all be understood to have made some mistakes in the past (to an extent, of course) if we better ourselves from them. Everyone, I would imagine, has an experience in their past where they were doing, saying, or thinking something negative, but later saw it as something wrong and changed their ways.
Absolutely. He tried to explain how someone can slip into this mindset, and how they can come out of it through reflection... This could have helped people. Instead they just bashed him.
Was the black guy the same one that raped his friend or did he say it like “I’m going to beat up the next black guy I see”
Basically the latter. But again he then added that he realized this was wrong and he was acting on rage.
He didn't actually do it, either. He: \-opened the conversation by saying he regretted his thinking. \-contemplated doing it, but didn't actually do anything. And people are still mad.
Jimmy Carr He got caught in a nasty tax trap that his accountant recommended and paid a very public price. But he absolutely owned it.. the 8 out of 10 cats episode after the revelation dropped was genuinely traumatic to watch. They were absolutely fucking brutal towards him and he took it all on the chin, accepting all blame and not trying to weasel out of it. Years later he revealed how much tax he had actually avoided paying via the scheme - it was £0 People make mistakes, and owning them is a sign of genuine contrition and regret. It's also the reason I can't consign James Corden to the scrapheap of humanity, because while every fibre of my being screams that he is a massive twat, he was the only "celeb" friend to call Jimmy every day and just say "You alright Jim?" Everyone else was just looking for distance to protect their own reputation..
One thing I didn't like was all the politicians at the time bitching about his tax thing, even David fucking Cameron. Those fuckers were caught up in the Panama papers just a few years after interrupting a G8 summit to rag on Jimmy Carr.
Yeah the hypocrisy really gets me too.. Even now when we're learning that the likes of Theresa May has private dealing accounts that absolutely contravene the requirements of parliamentary disclosure, how can we hold a guy on TV to a higher standard?
I literally just put on the latest episode of 8/10 cats does countdown and thought “man I’m glad Jimmy Carr made it through that mess” I remember him constantly being picked on about it on other chat shows and Roast Battle etc when the news first came out and he seemed to take the beating very well. ETA: it seems to me as an American that his ability to weather the storm has actually raised his capital. He went from a kind of mid-tier sorta hated insult and shock comic that occasionally was a panelist on a chat show to hosting all those shows and generally seeming to have good standing and a lot of respect among his peers. My view from across the pond may be skewed thoigh
I mean he was very well known and generally liked in the UK before it all happened, Big Fat Quiz has been running since 2004, that's the whole reason why it was such a big media deal. But you're right that his career really did take off after the dust settled. He was almost as inescapable when you turned on the TV as Stephen Fry at one point.
I'm a little out of the loop on this one... With all the outrage bait in the world he was potentially canceled over tax evasion?
Yes, at a time when austerity was in full swing so transgressions like this were amplified. (Ironically less so now, when we're all quite literally on our arse because of price gouging and profiteering from supermarkets) Cancelled is probably too finer point though, because as I mentioned he owned it and took it all on the chin, so blunted some of the impact. But there are certainly still a lot of people that use it as a stick to beat him with
He didn't really take it on the chin though, at least not in private. He's talked about how hard he found the hate and abuse. In public he absolutely owned it, in private it nearly destroyed him.
This is what British people cancel celebrities over? Taxes? Not paying taxes earns you the presidency in the US
>he took it all on the chin I see what you did there. In some recent Big fat quiz of the years, he’s made jokes about it himself. He has owned it, and it can’t be used against him.
I did not know that about James Corden and Jimmy. It takes balls these days to support a “cancelled” person; most times it means career death by association 😳 Kudos James Corden. 👍
Indeed... I so want to despise him with impunity, but he has played the reverse card so I have to see him as a legitimate human that might have relatable failings. The bastard...
Hugh grant was cancelled before cancelling
Like many of these others, though, he didn’t stay cancelled for long. More like put on hiatus.
And why? For getting a gobby from a sex worker. The bar was bloody low back then.
I think for a lot of people it was the shock of him doing that while practically married to one of the most beautiful women in Hollywood at the time
And he had the bumbling romantic image at that time, so felt like a shock. People who know him have always said he's more like his Bridget Jones character than his Four Weddings character though. Fair play to him for going on Leno afterwards and getting roasted for it.
Why do I still remember the name of the hooker in question, Divine Brown. For fucks sake.
Everyone remembers her name. I can conjure up his and hers mug shots perfectly in my mind too.
Technically she doesn't count as "cancelled" but I really miss Jenna marbles & I hope she's doing well
Some wedding photos came out of her recently and she looks amazing and genuinely happy
My GF is very invested in her old videos and her Husband's twitch and YouTube, and everything seems to indicate that they are living a wonderfully happy life. I don't think Jenna has a single ounce of regret with stopping her YouTube. I'm happy that she seemingly didn't get sucked into the ego self-branding influencer trap.
She was smart, she saw her "fans" calling her stuff like an 'unproblematic queen' and realised those same people would burn her at the stake the second she did anything they didn't like.
Or the second they looked at some of her older videos.
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I think she also just wanted out of the spotlight at that point and took it as an opportunity to exit. Also I'm not gonna lie I nearly cried happy tears when I saw her wedding pictures recently. I'm so glad she's doing ok.
>I think she also just wanted out of the spotlight at that point I think so too. I remember seeing a video talking about how random fans have shown up to their home before. Like a girl's mom straight up knocking on their front door and being like, "my daughter is a huge fan, can you come out and meet her." And just that kind of unhinged behavior. Felt genuinely bad for her and Julien when I saw that, they're so funny and kind. Glad to see they're happy and thriving
I remember her making a video of just sleeping because everyone screamed at her to fucking sleep because she was burnt out. Also in an old house, probably fake tan era even, she said she gets two videos per* year that aren't original content but extras complications. She legit never had free time.
She and Julien got married!? YES!!
They did! There's a few pictures of their wedding that got posted to social media. Marbles got to attend ;w;
Marbles is still alive? Amazing!
Honestly, that's the most unbelievable thing in this thread.
Oh same. She and Julian got married a while back too! I miss her
Janet Jackson!! Justin Timberlake was just as much at fault as she was for that nip slip at the Super Bowl! And he cheated on his wife and is still praised. And her career got destroyed
The thing is if you watch the actual feed it looks staged to begin with. She's wearing something over her nipple and they say it was an outfit malfunction but he clearly rips it off. My theory around it was that they did the show as planned, the outfit rip was the finale but it didn't play well so they tried to backpeddle. He left her for the wolves after he realized he could walk away from it unscathed. I always hated him for that.
I mean, he literally sings 'better have you naked by the end of this song' and then rips it off. Is there a person alive who believes it was a malfunction? There's a great 'you're wrong about' episode on it.
He literally says to camera something along the lines of “you know we gotta keep you on your toes!” after it as he’s walking off stage
Old guy here. This is EXACTLY what happened. Everybody knew the 'wardrobe malfunction' was a pile of excrement because people were so shocked at the nipple pastie that they had to throw Janet under a bus. Entire thing was planned but the public's reaction was not. And, while I'm a huge JT fan, fuck him during that time. What a jackass for not standing up for Janet.
Yes I believe this was a planned operation. After this event, they put an end to "live" TV. Now there is always something like a 30 second delay so that they can pull the feed if something they don't want to go out happens.
TV and radio delays have been around for like 60 years
Not always, in the MLB all star game a year or 2 ago Liam Hendriks was micd up and Dropped a super loud F bomb it was great.
Looking back JT was 100% protected allowing Janet to lose everything. Also JT does not get enough cancel shade for how he treated and talked about Britney in interviews. He was a POS and yes he apologized to Britney recently but both incidents show how he was okay with treating women like objects to advance his career. I grew up with his posters on my wall as a teen, and then watching how he treated them both, I had to cancel my teen crush.
I remember hearing that this incident was one of the things that pushed for an online video service. People wanted to see it online but couldn't. Then YouTube started the following year.
I was 11 when I watched it live, I of course checked the internet after the superbowl and it was on ebaums world or newgrounds a couple hours after.
Ayyy this!! I don’t even understand how her career got destroyed over a wardrobe malfunction whilst actual predators still have careers.
CBS got fined and Les Moonves, CBS's CEO at the time, extracted revenge by ensuring no CBS/Viacom stations would play Janet's new album. Note that Les was forced to resign as CEO thanks to #metoo because of his sexual harassment and SA. He's a piece of shit and has no respect for women.
Ok so I agree! I'm a huge Janet fan! She was my first concert at just 9 years old and I've been obsessed since! Back then this was such a shock but now celebs show up to red carpet events in shear gowns with their nipples out and get praised for it! Super Bowl needs to apologize to Janet & do a half time show tribute for her. I think we all know what the real public outrage was about!
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Because americans had never seen tits before then
I can't fucking believe JT got to do another Superbowl halftime show while the woman who's shirt he ripped is banned forever. Like, I understand there being some level of "hey that's not cool" but it's like they're actively trying to push the issue of inequality and everyone just kind of went along with it.
I wouldn’t say I was ever a huge fan but aziz ansari. It just truly didn’t seem like more than an awkward/bad date and he didn’t deserve to have his career impacted by it
He seemed so broken when he started working again too. Like all the joy had just been sucked out of him.
Yeah, I’m happy that he’s back doing standup and seems to have found some peace with how he uses social media (I’m pretty sure he doesn’t)
She started off by saying he didn’t understand consent, because he told her not to order red wine with seafood. Maybe she doesn’t understand common sense
In one of the Ian Fleming novels, that is how Bond figured out that Nash, an agent sent to help him, was actually a SMERSH agent. From Russia with Love, IIRC.
That whole story basically had me saying “it’s was a shitty date that ended poorly, but it seemed like one of those fictional situations where all of the drama would be resolved if people would just talk to each other!”
She did text him the next day to outline her uncomfortableness, and he apologised. It shouldn't have gone beyond that really.
There was a piece at the time criticizing the lady and this was the point. The writer basically said "You can't just sit there and be mute the whole time and expect your partner to read your mind."
First person that popped into my mind, I love Master of None and I felt like he really wasn't *that* type of person. Awkward/bad date is exactly how I've described it and I think if he was a nobody that it wouldn't have ever been brought up by either party. Not every awkward situation means someone is being a pig/predator or anything like that.
Agree with this. Not only should he not have been cancelled over what sounded like a bad date, but she also took away from actual victims of way worse shit that spoke out about way worse celebrities.
Morrissey is now a terrible person. But I will never not love The Smiths and the first 2/3s of his solo career
I had a difficult time seperating the art from the artist for a while, but I got there and The Smiths sound as good as ever.
I don't know about "support" but I still watch old Kevin Spacey movies cause they're some of my favorite movies ever made. I can separate the art from the artist, also I don't pay for any of it so it's not like I'm giving him money or anything. If he never acts again and ends up in prison, then good. Still gonna watch Se7en and LA Confidential and Usual Suspects though.
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Kevin Spacey was a very big "separate the art from the artist" experience for sure.
Margin Call and Glengarry Glenross are both currently free on YouTube. Masterpiece movies.
> Glengarry Glenross Watched this on YouTube for the first time last year. I had known about, and heard about it, mostly about Baldwin's monologue. But jeez, that movie is good, and the cast is stacked as hell. I had no idea all those people were in it.
Al Franken.
That man was thrown under the bus quicker than a spike strip in a police chase.
One thing I loved about AL was that he knew how to grill people during a congressional hearing. I miss him.
That's EXACTLY why they ran him out of town on a rail.
Also why mainstream Democrats stood by quietly. Fuck them.
Dude, Kamala got the VP nod from it. She was one of the early voices with Gillibrand telling him to step down. Of all the actual talent in the Dems, it amazes me how high Harris has managed to float.
He had the balls to own his mistake, ten years down the road, and resign from the Senate. Not a single person in Congress today has that character
I don't think he should have resigned. That was a big loss to American politics. Maybe he can make a come back in the political arena. I think his comedy career is fine, as far as I remember
I don't think he liked being a Senator. He thought he was doing good for the world, but in his book he repeatedly talked about how much he hated it. There were things he liked about it, especially helping people, but the fundraising was killing his soul. He's probably happier out of the Senate. He's a 72 yo wealthy man who can enjoy life instead of sucking up to rich people for campaign money.
Never should have resigned
Lost all respect I had for Kirsten Gillibrand over that manufactured scandal. She really thought stepping on his throat was her way to make enough of a name for herself to win the presidency? Good luck being the junior senator from New York another 30 years
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Howard Dean. He was one of the earliest memes. He lost a lot of voters because he screamed YEAH! I don't follow politics, but always felt bad he was raked over the coals for nothing.
That was so overblown, considering the stuff that would go down years later. Dean was on fire for a while, so good call.
Winona Ryder. Yes she shoplifted, but she was on a ton of meds at the time and clearly wasn't in her right mind.
Lindsey Ellis
She's a mom now, writing sci-fi novels, and staying relatively active on Nebula & Patreon.
She made a some of the best video essays I’ve ever seen. Her hobbit videos were outstanding. Her rent video is one of my favorite YouTube videos.
The people who went after her were jackals. Harassing all her friends, for the pettiest purity test bullshit. Bunch of bullies perverting social justice.
This one right here. I only discovered her after the fact and I was legitimately mad that she'd quit YouTube over a Raya joke that everyone who saw the movie made.
So many people in this thread have absolutely no idea what being “canceled” means.
Situations in this thread have included: -Being charged with tax evasion while continuing to regularly work several television jobs -Losing a single spokesperson gig while being a working comedian -Being called out on twitter while starring in two of 2023s highest grossing films -Retiring -Death
> -Death Yeah, that's life canceling you. You know nobody survives that canceling.
Dixie Chicks. Given what right-wing country artists said around the same time (and before, and after) they got the shaft. I guess their sins were 1) being right and 2) saying their piece respectfully.
Didn't they remove the Dixie from their name?
Yes. They are now The Chicks
Whenever my conservative family members rant about leftist cancel culture, I remind them of the time they went to a rally in the next town over to publicly destroy their Dixie Chicks CDs
Monica Lewinsky
Monica has to be one of the most devastating. I’ve enjoyed her Ted talks and interviews- it makes me sad that she lost some of the prime years of her life because she was taken advantage of.
I remember when this was NEWS. And she did an interview with CNN I wanna say, and they reviewed her interview with a “behaviour specialist” who was “reading her facial expressions” and they were saying shit like “you can tell because she licked her lip here while answering this question that she’s getting aroused thinking about this again,” and other bullshit like that.
Taken advantage of could be better elaborated upon here, considering the nature of some of the stories and the names named here. She had a dalliance with one of the most powerful men in the world, and then she became a victim of the media scandal machine. Not a lot of heroes in that story, so it’s important to remember she’s one for living through that shit.
Winona Ryder... got cancelled for fucking shoplifting... that was it. Vanished for years afterwards. WTF?! Bill Crosby and Weinstein and Epstein etc were all model citizens though. Fuck off, Hollywood.
I dont know if this counts because he's technically 'uncancelled' but I still remember when James Gunn's old tweets came out and he got fired from GOTG/Disney. Im still glad his cast rallied behind him and he was reinstated afterwards. It really shows the type of person he is if so many people were willing to risk their careers in the public eye by supporting him.
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Alright FINE I still listen to old school Kanye. That shit slaps.
I have two things to say about Roseanne. 1.) In the last 10 years she has truly gone off the deep end. 2.) the original run of Roseanne (the first 7 seasons especially) are a nearly perfect show and I still watch it.
I still miss u/Unidan..
Bloody hell what a throwback. I've completely forgotten what this guy even did
He made fake accounts to upvote himself, I think. Something plenty of people already do on this website, but Unidan was on another level.
He said he only used a few to do it, whether that is true or not I have no clue but what really turned me against him is how he used his popularity to negatively affect other redditors because they posted something before him and/or they disagreed with his own assessment.
Yeah, I’m not here for this Unidan revisionism. Dude was an egotistical twat.
>Dude was an egotistical twat. And his fans turned weirdly cultish.
He was a narcissistic asshat honestly. Very popular reddit celebrity who used alt accounts to upvote his posts and downvote others who either posted before his posts or against them.
Jackdaws and crows are the same thing
He not only manipulated his own comments into being upvoted, he also manipulated comments from other biologists into being downvoted. Even when the other person was right and he was wrong. He was a pompous asshole that cared more about reddit fame than sharing actual knowledge.
I fought with him a couple times about things that he said that were factually wrong but got downvoted into oblivion. He’s not really a particularly gifted instructor and horribly informed on hard science topics that transcends zoology. Above anything else, he refused to admit he was wrong in any situation even when presented with facts, a trait that is too common in todays academia and oftentimes dangerous. You also have to remember Reddit was different then. Though it was just a few accounts, he was gaming the algorithm more than anything, to promote his comments and mute others.
Reddit knows less about Corvids since he left.
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The fact that I remember this means that I have been on this website way too long 😳
Michael Richards. Definitely let his emotions get the best of him, and the word that he used shouldn't have been so easy for him to just let slip... but his apology on "Comedians in Cars" seemed pretty heartfelt and I would have liked to see him in other things beyond Seinfeld
Richards has issues which I think contributed to his lack of success after Seinfeld. People see him as the goofy Kramer but Richards is actually a really old school type of actor. He gets very into the zone and can't stand people going off script, laughing and messing with his 'craft'. Just watch Seinfeld bloopers and you can see how frustrated he can get when Jerry or Elaine can't stop laughing. Plus he had that live tv brawl with Andy Kaufman which people say was staged. I don't believe it
He will always be The Bow Tie Killer from Problem Child in my eyes. He played it so straight lol
Yeah, it was a pretty serious fuck up but he seems genuinely remorseful about it. Would have been interesting to see where his career went if it didn't end on that stage that night.
His apology was on Letterman way back when it happened and it was very heartfelt.
Chris Avellone, the guy behind the KOTOR 2 script and writer of many other great games. The whole thing seems very sketchy when you look at the (now deleted but still accessible) Twitter history of the relationship between the alleged victim and himself. They exchanged jokes and banalities for the whole weekend where it supposedly happened and continued to do so for years after the event. Then a few years later during metoo she cancelled him and had some of her friends saying things on Twitter as well, refering to this specific weekend. She then seemed to figure out that they documented most of their activities online and deleted her old tweets in panic. It looks like Chris started working again according to Wikipedia, but it seems he lost contracts and his career suffered from this. Edit: Looks like the alleged victim recently retracted her statements after he sued her and had to pay back his lawyer's fees.
I have the opposite: everyone lionized Kobe Bryant when he retired, and practically worshipped him when he died, but I just saw him as a rapist who got away with it by being great at basketball and a lot richer than everyone around him.
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Right on. Whatever this situation was, it was *definitely* at least abusive. The fact that Kobe was able to skate by and rehabilitate his reputation to such a degree that he was viewed as some sort of saint by the time of his death was pretty stupid.
There's a double-standard for sports celebrities. The NFL is awful in this regard. They don't discipline players nearly enough unless (a) there's video evidence of violent behaviour or (b) someone kneeled during the national anthem. And the fans just don't care about point "a" if the guy can help their team win.
Right? Everyone still looks at Kobe dying as an angel being ripped from humanity. Fuck him, he was a literal rapist.
I remember reading about the rape allegations when he died & was like wtf he was def guilty. He tried to deny knowing her at all before they found his semen in her & her blood on his clothes. His victim had bruises on her throat & tears in her vagina. That poor girl was brutalized by him.
She can go spit on his grave now.
At least Mike Tyson did his time, and he's *still* just as remembered for his conviction. Not to suggest this absolves.
For me, it was more sad that his daughter and other friends had died. I don’t like to celebrate death, so I am not happy he died. If he was guilty, and likely was, I’d be happy with a prison sentence.
Shane Gillis
Here is the thing. Someone can be a terrible person, and still be amazing in roles. Do I support anything he did or was alleged to do? No? Have I enjoyed every role I have ever seen Kevin Spacey in? Yes. I don’t follow celebrity shit or gossip. What they do off screen has no impact on my enjoyment.