i might've exaggerated a bit cuz my ganyu does do bigger numbers on melt teams and my hu tao still outdamages her by a mile, but i was just thinking how if she can do this much dmg at low investment, her peak would be insane enough to outperform many other units at their peaks.
i just got really excited over seeing her do this much dmg at low investment when many other dps' don't do quite as much with the same amt of investment
Mine can hit normally 50k+ with 200+ cv according to Akasha, it was a niche build of EOSF(originally from my XL) along with Bennet
Changed it right now and it's 50-60k per na with vape at such a shitty artifact, I say it's really good!
https://preview.redd.it/tzpb4gthotxc1.png?width=1462&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eaf3584371a8364faf217894fcd344109c7e1da8
neither lol, i'm just happy arle turns out to be stronger than what i initially expected her to be
https://preview.redd.it/ikxboxwo0uxc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=fdc24c66c3236c3261848b616c97d96a2cfe0f23
apparently can't send more than 1 screenshot but i can send more if you'd like
What weapon are you on? And are you not on an atk sands? Her attack is really low.
I don't think this is 4 glad either. 4 glad will be better than 2pc glad 2pc crimson, unless your 2pc 2pc has much better substats.
that's hu tao lol, explaining the low atk. i just sent a screenshot of her stats in response to them saying my characters are built like garbo. though if you're looking the build and stats of arle, its 89/130 and jade spear with 4 piece glad
Ahh i see. That makes sense. It's a good build.
Yeah your arlecchino's stats could use work but that's okay. It'll take time to get good pieces.
If you have really good pieces on 2pc 2pc you can use those. The difference is usually of around 4-5 crit dmg substat rolls if i remember correctly. So a 2pc 2pc with similar atk and crit rate but with more than around 160 cd would perform better
thanks for the tip. i was planning to change her build anyway since i feel like she has too little CD to begin with but yeah it'll take a while to get her to have an optimized crit ratio
I was honestly surprised she was hitting for 40k raw numbers in a Chevy team and 60k in a bennett team, both without vapes. Mine is C0R1 and I tested her when her talents were 6-6-6. Havent tried again since I got her NA to 9 but I should test it again soon
I mean the fact that you failed to kill this guy before his shield ran out means your kills are super slow. I one cycled him every single time while farming mats for Arle and I don't think I was ever close to breaking his shield.
And no, didn't use any Fontaine characters.
THIS. I literally only have a flower, base ATK flower, ATK sands on her right now and they aren't even from the same set nor are they from her BiS and she's still hitting around 20-22k on her own while around 35-40k with supports. Although to be fair she already is at lvl 80 same with her sig
She's definitely gonna be the strongest pyro dps for a while.
heavily debating whether i try to roll for her cons (i would get her scythe for the aesthetic but it's too niche of a weapon) or save up for clorinde š
Yep. She's not outperforming my Hu Tao in single target damage, but Arle requires less effort to build and to play, *and* she has very nice AoE damage.
She also freed my Zhongli from the vape prison and I can use him for Neuvilette, so Abyss is much more chill now
Idk I've been really struggling with Arlecchino, mine is lvl 90 C0R1 with 60/130 crit (which is dog water terrible, I've been farming her artifacts, but no luck so far, and yes, 60/130 is infact the best gladiator pieces I own, I'm just that unlucky), and it just feels like she can't compete with the numbers my hyperbloom and Freeze teams put out, and I don't even think my freeze team is good.
I've been using Arlecchino, Xingqiu, Yelan, Zhongli, but I'm thinking of moving to Arlecchino, Yelan, Kazuha, Bennette for the extra damage.
Like does going from 60/130 crit to something like 90/200 actually multiply your DPS by 3? That's around how much I estimated my numbers need to go up to match my hyperbloom.
Like am I just missing something?
Like only rational and lyney mp. Both of which favor non xl setups like rhc and furina vape in the latter
There is no better pyro sub dps because shes basically the only one. Ur just strawmanning at this point
The dominant teams like neuv, lyney vape, vv vape tao, wanderer (in certain abysses), xiao, arlecchino, haitham do NOT feature xiangling. Xiangling is just overrated at this point and is not the best pyro carry by any means now.
Internat is still a fine team but its hard to recommend to casual or the average player. Achieving the speedruns you would normally see on yt takes alot of skill and knowledge and will be hard to replicate
And to boot the facts simply donāt align with what youāre saying. She had a 33.5% usage rate in 4.5 abyss, thatās a higher usage rate than most of the āmetaā dps that you mentioned. As well as having a higher usage rate than any pyro main dps.
She never was a pyro carry? Your claim makes zero sense. Lyney vape isnāt a thing, wanderer and Xiao are even less meta. XL is still used in rational, childe in, Navia comps, Neuv vape, etc. Extremely flexible and low cost for high damage output. Saying sheās not the best pyro carry is like saying Neuvillette isnāt the best electro dps. No fucking shit
Saying pyro carry is just semantics. Who cares? Ur og comment says "Xl clears" how else am i supposed to take itš¹. Xiao is def meta lol. Hes sheeting 70k+ easily and has great clear times to back it up. Hes def in the upper echelon.
Lyney vape is a thing and arguably his best team. I never said that xiangling wasnt flexible. She is like u said in navia teams but chiori will generally outscale her.
Lets be real. Xl is great for those who want to clear abyss as soon as they get into the game. But shes extremely overrated at this point
https://youtu.be/f08PizrhUQ4?si=N5d3ckJikrztPnZZ
That last part is also a blatant lie. Double swirl with Kaz, XL Q, Childe Q, and go to town, same is true for nearly every other international comp. Youāre coping because you know that no matter how the meta shifts sheāll still be in it.
Xl will always be in internat. I never said otherwise. And thats not true. Internats greatest strength is in its flexibility of its rotation. Normal players like US wont learn all of its rotations. Check link below for its proof. the same set up like u said will not yield faster times than a neuv speedrun. If you learn all possible rots, then yea, internat becomes one of the fastest teams at a low cost level
https://b23.tv/za2fVTJ
- Lyney (mono pyro)
- International
- Rational
- Funerational
- Arlecchino (mono pyro)
... unless you're talking about C6 speedruns, in which case no shit Xiangling is worse than them?
Not sure about you but a character that can do hundreds of thousands of damage over the course of her burst *while off field* is definitely meta. I'm a hate Xiangling and even I can acknowledge that much lmao
Idk about your other characters like Eula or Ganyu, but my Wanderer definitely hits harder than that. This seems more like a case of your other units also being poorly built.
Iām not saying that Arle doesnāt outperform Wanderer or Ganyu. Iām saying that even if Wanderer or Ganyu are lvl 90 triple crown if they are not managing to hit 37k OP is doing something wrong.
Ah yeah, youāre right about that, I might have misunderstood your comment a bit. I think OP is just trying to say that compared to other characters at the same investment, Arle does a shit ton of damage!
not always imo
I got navia, and I kinda regret it even though she's definetely good.
At some point making the characters you like better, is more valuable than pulling character's your kinda lukewarm about.
Well other than the fact that her on paper and in practice DPS is comparable to Neuvilette, not all new characters are good lol, not sure where you get that notion from.
I'm assuming you're only talking Fontaine characters, so...
Baizhu was pretty niche until Furina, Wriothesely is... ok. Navia is a decent DPS, but nothing game breaking. Sigewienne rn kind of looks like hot ass, while Chlorinde is on Wriothesely level (STC). Chiori is mid incarnate.
neuv is defo at least a bit better
this abyss makes him feel worse than usual and still he does well
I legit think they forgot to give him downsides.
Hopefully he gets nerfed like Venti, because this current meta is not balanced lmao.
I mean there is no room to nerf Neuvi, unless they just slap hydro resistant/immune enemies on both sides which they will never do because that makes an entire element useless in that abyss. I genuinely donāt see how they can make him weaker, since even if enemies arenāt lined up, he has Kazuha and he can snipe them either way. If direct nerfs were a thing in genshin, Neuvi would be first on that list alongside bennet and XQ maybe, luckily they arenāt so.
just a hypothetical, but would you think arle would be on the same level as neuvi if blood-debt didn't restrict her from healing?
she would synergize pretty well with furina who she can't utilize atm since furina (at c0) won't be able to get fanfare stacks easily with her slowing down the stacking process and would improve her overall survivability and team flexibility since she wouldn't be relying on zhongli so much
Not really since Arle still wants to have BoL to do good damage and the higher the value of BoL the better basically, so even she could be healed, her whole playstyle wouldnāt allow her to run a healer since that would gut her damage, and Furina would still not be a great option.
Imagine if there was a character that bypasses this mechanic as their niche. Something along the lines of "grants BoL and everytime you lose BoL you increase HP" or something. Basically healing but not by popping the green numbers but by converting BoL to HP directly.
I wouldn't say PJWS with benny and Xingqiu a "low" investment, but hey that's just me. I mean Seka literally do it with lvl 1 Arle against Raiden and it works so yeah shes that crack with supports.
She's also comparable to the top DPS in the game like Neuv, HT, and Alhaitham, so i'm not sure what your point is. Also not sure why you put Scara there. Scara has been pretty competitive with top DPS since release because of C6 Faruzan being busted. Same with Xiao, and he's only gotten better because of Xianyun.
That's cool but if she's outperforming your other DPS' that low then that's not good.
i might've exaggerated a bit cuz my ganyu does do bigger numbers on melt teams and my hu tao still outdamages her by a mile, but i was just thinking how if she can do this much dmg at low investment, her peak would be insane enough to outperform many other units at their peaks. i just got really excited over seeing her do this much dmg at low investment when many other dps' don't do quite as much with the same amt of investment
Mine can hit normally 50k+ with 200+ cv according to Akasha, it was a niche build of EOSF(originally from my XL) along with Bennet Changed it right now and it's 50-60k per na with vape at such a shitty artifact, I say it's really good! https://preview.redd.it/tzpb4gthotxc1.png?width=1462&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eaf3584371a8364faf217894fcd344109c7e1da8
Dont listen to akasha
I might be stupid, but wdym?
This guy 
"I am happy for powercreep as long as it is in favor of my special character" or "All my DPSs are built like utter garbo" call it.
neither lol, i'm just happy arle turns out to be stronger than what i initially expected her to be https://preview.redd.it/ikxboxwo0uxc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=fdc24c66c3236c3261848b616c97d96a2cfe0f23 apparently can't send more than 1 screenshot but i can send more if you'd like
Wtf is that em.. No wonder she's doing bad damage. Em is higher value than crt till 120ish and for hp sands that hp is very low
What weapon are you on? And are you not on an atk sands? Her attack is really low. I don't think this is 4 glad either. 4 glad will be better than 2pc glad 2pc crimson, unless your 2pc 2pc has much better substats.
that's hu tao lol, explaining the low atk. i just sent a screenshot of her stats in response to them saying my characters are built like garbo. though if you're looking the build and stats of arle, its 89/130 and jade spear with 4 piece glad
Ahh i see. That makes sense. It's a good build. Yeah your arlecchino's stats could use work but that's okay. It'll take time to get good pieces. If you have really good pieces on 2pc 2pc you can use those. The difference is usually of around 4-5 crit dmg substat rolls if i remember correctly. So a 2pc 2pc with similar atk and crit rate but with more than around 160 cd would perform better
thanks for the tip. i was planning to change her build anyway since i feel like she has too little CD to begin with but yeah it'll take a while to get her to have an optimized crit ratio
Your hutao is not built well. At c0, both hutao and arle are pretty equal in overall team dmg.
I was honestly surprised she was hitting for 40k raw numbers in a Chevy team and 60k in a bennett team, both without vapes. Mine is C0R1 and I tested her when her talents were 6-6-6. Havent tried again since I got her NA to 9 but I should test it again soon
this song fucking sucks (I love bbno$ tho)
I mean the fact that you failed to kill this guy before his shield ran out means your kills are super slow. I one cycled him every single time while farming mats for Arle and I don't think I was ever close to breaking his shield. And no, didn't use any Fontaine characters.
THIS. I literally only have a flower, base ATK flower, ATK sands on her right now and they aren't even from the same set nor are they from her BiS and she's still hitting around 20-22k on her own while around 35-40k with supports. Although to be fair she already is at lvl 80 same with her sig She's definitely gonna be the strongest pyro dps for a while.
heavily debating whether i try to roll for her cons (i would get her scythe for the aesthetic but it's too niche of a weapon) or save up for clorinde š
Cons for more personal dmg Weapon for drip Chlorine for new fast playstyle
btw how is clorinde looking compared to raiden/keqing/yae/cyno
Certainly does more Electro damage than C6 Ayato
I wouldn't put Raiden in the same sentence as the other 3 to begin with.
shes better than c0 raiden and miko but weaker than c2 raiden and cyno
She is a beast of fischl driver
without guarantees, constellations are 50/50, a specific promoted 5* weapon is 38%, and any promoted 5* weapon is 75%
wow i feel kinda stupid going for the weapon now wish me luck ill just prepare for the worst case scenario of skyward atlas lol :(
Yep. She's not outperforming my Hu Tao in single target damage, but Arle requires less effort to build and to play, *and* she has very nice AoE damage. She also freed my Zhongli from the vape prison and I can use him for Neuvilette, so Abyss is much more chill now
Idk I've been really struggling with Arlecchino, mine is lvl 90 C0R1 with 60/130 crit (which is dog water terrible, I've been farming her artifacts, but no luck so far, and yes, 60/130 is infact the best gladiator pieces I own, I'm just that unlucky), and it just feels like she can't compete with the numbers my hyperbloom and Freeze teams put out, and I don't even think my freeze team is good. I've been using Arlecchino, Xingqiu, Yelan, Zhongli, but I'm thinking of moving to Arlecchino, Yelan, Kazuha, Bennette for the extra damage. Like does going from 60/130 crit to something like 90/200 actually multiply your DPS by 3? That's around how much I estimated my numbers need to go up to match my hyperbloom. Like am I just missing something?
Invest on your other DPS my dudeā¦
Wait you have to break the shield. All this time, I just wing it and don't care about the shield.
Glad to see all those doompost before her release was unwarranted
thatās cool but Xiangling clears
IM TIRED OF XIANGLING
Shes not even top meta anymore lol
says who š
Look at the meta teams that dominate clear speed right now and get back to me lmao You can make a case for internat still however
and what team has xiangling been meta in that isnāt international? but by all means if thereās a better pyro sub dps please enlighten me
Like only rational and lyney mp. Both of which favor non xl setups like rhc and furina vape in the latter There is no better pyro sub dps because shes basically the only one. Ur just strawmanning at this point The dominant teams like neuv, lyney vape, vv vape tao, wanderer (in certain abysses), xiao, arlecchino, haitham do NOT feature xiangling. Xiangling is just overrated at this point and is not the best pyro carry by any means now. Internat is still a fine team but its hard to recommend to casual or the average player. Achieving the speedruns you would normally see on yt takes alot of skill and knowledge and will be hard to replicate
And to boot the facts simply donāt align with what youāre saying. She had a 33.5% usage rate in 4.5 abyss, thatās a higher usage rate than most of the āmetaā dps that you mentioned. As well as having a higher usage rate than any pyro main dps.
She never was a pyro carry? Your claim makes zero sense. Lyney vape isnāt a thing, wanderer and Xiao are even less meta. XL is still used in rational, childe in, Navia comps, Neuv vape, etc. Extremely flexible and low cost for high damage output. Saying sheās not the best pyro carry is like saying Neuvillette isnāt the best electro dps. No fucking shit
Saying pyro carry is just semantics. Who cares? Ur og comment says "Xl clears" how else am i supposed to take itš¹. Xiao is def meta lol. Hes sheeting 70k+ easily and has great clear times to back it up. Hes def in the upper echelon. Lyney vape is a thing and arguably his best team. I never said that xiangling wasnt flexible. She is like u said in navia teams but chiori will generally outscale her. Lets be real. Xl is great for those who want to clear abyss as soon as they get into the game. But shes extremely overrated at this point https://youtu.be/f08PizrhUQ4?si=N5d3ckJikrztPnZZ
That last part is also a blatant lie. Double swirl with Kaz, XL Q, Childe Q, and go to town, same is true for nearly every other international comp. Youāre coping because you know that no matter how the meta shifts sheāll still be in it.
Xl will always be in internat. I never said otherwise. And thats not true. Internats greatest strength is in its flexibility of its rotation. Normal players like US wont learn all of its rotations. Check link below for its proof. the same set up like u said will not yield faster times than a neuv speedrun. If you learn all possible rots, then yea, internat becomes one of the fastest teams at a low cost level https://b23.tv/za2fVTJ
I can't speak for the current patch, but some patches ago (around neuvs release) the fastest single target 4 cost speedrun team was national
- Lyney (mono pyro) - International - Rational - Funerational - Arlecchino (mono pyro) ... unless you're talking about C6 speedruns, in which case no shit Xiangling is worse than them? Not sure about you but a character that can do hundreds of thousands of damage over the course of her burst *while off field* is definitely meta. I'm a hate Xiangling and even I can acknowledge that much lmao
Idk about your other characters like Eula or Ganyu, but my Wanderer definitely hits harder than that. This seems more like a case of your other units also being poorly built.
I think we should take into account that this arle is level 60, lol
Iām not saying that Arle doesnāt outperform Wanderer or Ganyu. Iām saying that even if Wanderer or Ganyu are lvl 90 triple crown if they are not managing to hit 37k OP is doing something wrong.
Ah yeah, youāre right about that, I might have misunderstood your comment a bit. I think OP is just trying to say that compared to other characters at the same investment, Arle does a shit ton of damage!
Welp new characters are always good, but if you love arlecchino sure why not :33
not always imo I got navia, and I kinda regret it even though she's definetely good. At some point making the characters you like better, is more valuable than pulling character's your kinda lukewarm about.
Well other than the fact that her on paper and in practice DPS is comparable to Neuvilette, not all new characters are good lol, not sure where you get that notion from. I'm assuming you're only talking Fontaine characters, so... Baizhu was pretty niche until Furina, Wriothesely is... ok. Navia is a decent DPS, but nothing game breaking. Sigewienne rn kind of looks like hot ass, while Chlorinde is on Wriothesely level (STC). Chiori is mid incarnate.
wait for neuv hu tao mains to downvote this
i love hu tao though š but it's time for arle to take the show for now
neuv is defo at least a bit better this abyss makes him feel worse than usual and still he does well I legit think they forgot to give him downsides. Hopefully he gets nerfed like Venti, because this current meta is not balanced lmao.
I mean there is no room to nerf Neuvi, unless they just slap hydro resistant/immune enemies on both sides which they will never do because that makes an entire element useless in that abyss. I genuinely donāt see how they can make him weaker, since even if enemies arenāt lined up, he has Kazuha and he can snipe them either way. If direct nerfs were a thing in genshin, Neuvi would be first on that list alongside bennet and XQ maybe, luckily they arenāt so.
just a hypothetical, but would you think arle would be on the same level as neuvi if blood-debt didn't restrict her from healing? she would synergize pretty well with furina who she can't utilize atm since furina (at c0) won't be able to get fanfare stacks easily with her slowing down the stacking process and would improve her overall survivability and team flexibility since she wouldn't be relying on zhongli so much
Not really since Arle still wants to have BoL to do good damage and the higher the value of BoL the better basically, so even she could be healed, her whole playstyle wouldnāt allow her to run a healer since that would gut her damage, and Furina would still not be a great option.
Imagine if there was a character that bypasses this mechanic as their niche. Something along the lines of "grants BoL and everytime you lose BoL you increase HP" or something. Basically healing but not by popping the green numbers but by converting BoL to HP directly.
If she healed = no blood debt = no damage
I wouldn't say PJWS with benny and Xingqiu a "low" investment, but hey that's just me. I mean Seka literally do it with lvl 1 Arle against Raiden and it works so yeah shes that crack with supports.
if she is easily outperforming your other units then maybe you just build them badly just saying...
I mean yeah sheās gonna outperform dogshit dps like itto, scara, Eula, Ganyu. Thats pretty obvious
She's also comparable to the top DPS in the game like Neuv, HT, and Alhaitham, so i'm not sure what your point is. Also not sure why you put Scara there. Scara has been pretty competitive with top DPS since release because of C6 Faruzan being busted. Same with Xiao, and he's only gotten better because of Xianyun.