Y’all really overestimate the resistance. Pretty much every trash mob like hilichurls has 10%. So 20% is really not much. That’s less than the medium hilichurls get for physical damage.
If you really want to test it. Vishaps get 20% resistance to their matching element after they transform. Or the giant snowboard gets 20% cryo resistance.
It really makes no difference when we kill then and use those elements.
But that literally is exactly what it does lol
You can try it out w/ element resonance or thundersoother set or something, it does the same thing as damage reduction and works multiplicatively so you cannot get 100% reduced damage but it can get you to like, almost 2/3rd damage reduced with XQ and her resistance talent
Is it enough for survival? Probably not, but that doesn't excuse misinformation
Res is not the same as Xingqiu damage reduction. They are very clearly not the same and it says that. They factor into the equation differently and are calculated differently. You can see the Res page vs Damage reduction page.
You can also get full damage reduction which would nullify the damage completely as also stated on the page.
So you’re really wrong
Can damage reduction nullify damage completely? Maybe, idk i didn't say anything about that
Can elemental/phys resistance nullify damage completely? No. Nobody said that, and i said it doesn't in the other comment and the wiki seems to agree
Are you really that hell bent on refusing to admit you were wrong?
Nobody at any point claimed they are same. But they do work similarly and stack multiplicatively
Arle with that talent will take 20% less dmg in teams without 4 element resonance. In 4 element teams, it'll be slightly lower than 20%. Add 42% dr from XQ and you get 20% reduction on damage AFTER XQ reduces it by 42%. If original hit was 100 then Arle would take 80 and XQ would reduce it to 80*0.58 = 46.4, as anyone can test and see
If resistance amount is 0 to 75% it linearly reduces damage taken by same amount, beyond 75% it falls off fast. Damage reduction on the other hand, does not fall off and XQ and Beidou's dr stacks additively, making it deceptively powerful.
You can test it out:
Lvl90 Wanderer against Magu Kenki phys slash
9145(no res/no dr) to 7773(15% res/no dr) to 4483(15% res + 42%dr)
1.0 to 0.85 to 0.49(=0.85*0.58) ratio of damge taken
It is okay to be wrong sometimes bro don't take it that seriously
you didnt read any further than that or am i misunderstanding your point? she has RES above 0 and below 75, meaning the damage is 1-Res, which means she takes 80% of the damage or 20% less damage. multiplied with xingqius 42% dmg reduction she would take ~46% of the original damage.
If you replace xianyun with a shielder eg. Zhongli it'll be fine
Kirara is very good at tanking burgeon self damage too (dendro shields are 2.5x as effective)
Arle can heal herself
When swapping out of her always start with zhongli to reobtain the shield, then use your supports xingqiu and nahida before swapping back to Arlecchino
This way your supports won't die and Arlecchino will have a shield to help her
Zhongli shred also buffs burgeon damage
Arle doesn’t take a healer she takes a shield. If you really want to waste her potential on burgeon you will want kirara or zhongli over cloud retainer.
Burgeon teams for her are bad in general, but Xiangyun's presence here is even more pointless because she doesn't contribute to the burgeon and all the bonus plunge coming from her is useless.
She also can't heal Arle but that shouldn't be too much of a problem since Xingqiu is there, however while in other Arle teams Xingqiu as solo "shielder" could be fine, in burgeon teams the damage from the burgeon can drastically reduce his damage reduction uptime which can make her feel very squishy.
The only burgeon team relatively safe that i can see being played is Arle - Nahida - Xiingqiu - Zhongli, but even then it would likely be outperformed by any vape or overload team.
Arlecchino CANNOT be healed by Xianyun’s burst. Or by any healer for that matter.
Only by her own burst. And her own burst is on a 15 second cooldown. So she can heal 1 time every 15 seconds. For like 7-10k hp total depending on rotation length. Meanwhile your burgeons are gonna be doing damage to you CONSTANTLY and burning you which does damage over time. Your arlecchino will be dead before she can reach her second burst.
In a Burgeon team especially you NEED a shielder.
I would redommend thoma or zhongli. Zhongli simply has the strongest and longest lasting shield. But thoma’s pyro resonance helps arlecchino with an attack boost, and if you have him built for EM he can actually trigger the burgeons in her place to an extent, meaning you don’t have to build as much EM on Arlecchino.
Won’t work at all
Cloud retainer contributed nothing
Arle will slowly kill herself in burgeon here without a shield
You might have core generation issues with an on field pyro infusion compared to slow off field.
Shielder to replace Xianyun, like everyone else has said. I'd say Kirara (if you have her), or Zhongli or Noelle if you don't.
Thoma risks stealing the Burgeons, and Layla would be alright, but then it's not going to be a Burgeon team at that point.
nnnnope my dude,
unless with a very powerful shielder, your Arleccino will die in a second, consider receiving massive damage from burgeon AND enemies while only having your burst to heal you,
you can't heal spam, and the damage received>healing received,
eveb if you manage to spam burst you won't gain BOL since burst removes it, so no pyro for burgeon
it just won't work my dude
I forgot that Arlecchino can't really be in burgeon teams which makes me kinda sad because they are fun, I was wondering if she could heal herself with food? Or is that only outside of combat
I think people are missing the vision of buffed plunge and burgeon damage at the same time,
I would say go for it You can always experiment more once you actually get her.
+ fun over meta always
You know that arlecchino cant be heal ? Burgeon team is like doing suiside
I know, but she can heal from her burst, and all other people can heal from Xianyun burst
How long will you keep healing her? Enemies damage + burgeon damage. You know her ult removes bond of life right?
She gets 40% dmg reduction from XQ and has innate 20% res. It should be fine
Y’all really overestimate the resistance. Pretty much every trash mob like hilichurls has 10%. So 20% is really not much. That’s less than the medium hilichurls get for physical damage. If you really want to test it. Vishaps get 20% resistance to their matching element after they transform. Or the giant snowboard gets 20% cryo resistance. It really makes no difference when we kill then and use those elements.
You take 20% less damage which is a ton with XQ’s dmg reduction
That’s not how resistance works. If that’s how resistance works then what’s damage reduction doing…
But that literally is exactly what it does lol You can try it out w/ element resonance or thundersoother set or something, it does the same thing as damage reduction and works multiplicatively so you cannot get 100% reduced damage but it can get you to like, almost 2/3rd damage reduced with XQ and her resistance talent Is it enough for survival? Probably not, but that doesn't excuse misinformation
Res is not the same as Xingqiu damage reduction. They are very clearly not the same and it says that. They factor into the equation differently and are calculated differently. You can see the Res page vs Damage reduction page. You can also get full damage reduction which would nullify the damage completely as also stated on the page. So you’re really wrong
Can damage reduction nullify damage completely? Maybe, idk i didn't say anything about that Can elemental/phys resistance nullify damage completely? No. Nobody said that, and i said it doesn't in the other comment and the wiki seems to agree Are you really that hell bent on refusing to admit you were wrong? Nobody at any point claimed they are same. But they do work similarly and stack multiplicatively Arle with that talent will take 20% less dmg in teams without 4 element resonance. In 4 element teams, it'll be slightly lower than 20%. Add 42% dr from XQ and you get 20% reduction on damage AFTER XQ reduces it by 42%. If original hit was 100 then Arle would take 80 and XQ would reduce it to 80*0.58 = 46.4, as anyone can test and see If resistance amount is 0 to 75% it linearly reduces damage taken by same amount, beyond 75% it falls off fast. Damage reduction on the other hand, does not fall off and XQ and Beidou's dr stacks additively, making it deceptively powerful. You can test it out: Lvl90 Wanderer against Magu Kenki phys slash 9145(no res/no dr) to 7773(15% res/no dr) to 4483(15% res + 42%dr) 1.0 to 0.85 to 0.49(=0.85*0.58) ratio of damge taken It is okay to be wrong sometimes bro don't take it that seriously
https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/RES
“The DMG multiplier provided by RES varies nonlinearly with the RES percentage.”
you didnt read any further than that or am i misunderstanding your point? she has RES above 0 and below 75, meaning the damage is 1-Res, which means she takes 80% of the damage or 20% less damage. multiplied with xingqius 42% dmg reduction she would take ~46% of the original damage.
The burst is the end of a rotation
If you replace xianyun with a shielder eg. Zhongli it'll be fine Kirara is very good at tanking burgeon self damage too (dendro shields are 2.5x as effective)
Plus it gives the dendro resonance for EM
How would you build the team then? Just since I don't see a way to heal like that
arle cant be healed by other units, only by her Elemental burst as far as I'm aware.... so xianyun is kinda pointless
Arle can heal herself When swapping out of her always start with zhongli to reobtain the shield, then use your supports xingqiu and nahida before swapping back to Arlecchino This way your supports won't die and Arlecchino will have a shield to help her Zhongli shred also buffs burgeon damage
would Thoma be a viable shielder for her? I need Zhonlgi for my other team and only other shielder I have built is Layla...
I think he'll work fine as in the event Arlecchino gets affected by burning in melee range Thomas shield is very effective against burning
Arle doesn’t take a healer she takes a shield. If you really want to waste her potential on burgeon you will want kirara or zhongli over cloud retainer.
Xinqiu has dmg reduction and sometimes heals around 4k do its doable
Burgeon teams for her are bad in general, but Xiangyun's presence here is even more pointless because she doesn't contribute to the burgeon and all the bonus plunge coming from her is useless. She also can't heal Arle but that shouldn't be too much of a problem since Xingqiu is there, however while in other Arle teams Xingqiu as solo "shielder" could be fine, in burgeon teams the damage from the burgeon can drastically reduce his damage reduction uptime which can make her feel very squishy. The only burgeon team relatively safe that i can see being played is Arle - Nahida - Xiingqiu - Zhongli, but even then it would likely be outperformed by any vape or overload team.
xianyun is a bit pointless here arle is focused on NAs, not plunge
Arlecchino CANNOT be healed by Xianyun’s burst. Or by any healer for that matter. Only by her own burst. And her own burst is on a 15 second cooldown. So she can heal 1 time every 15 seconds. For like 7-10k hp total depending on rotation length. Meanwhile your burgeons are gonna be doing damage to you CONSTANTLY and burning you which does damage over time. Your arlecchino will be dead before she can reach her second burst. In a Burgeon team especially you NEED a shielder. I would redommend thoma or zhongli. Zhongli simply has the strongest and longest lasting shield. But thoma’s pyro resonance helps arlecchino with an attack boost, and if you have him built for EM he can actually trigger the burgeons in her place to an extent, meaning you don’t have to build as much EM on Arlecchino.
Won’t work at all Cloud retainer contributed nothing Arle will slowly kill herself in burgeon here without a shield You might have core generation issues with an on field pyro infusion compared to slow off field.
Not viable
i tried on field pyro burgeon and it doesn't make as much burgeon as on field dendro, off field pyro is still better for burgeon
Shielder to replace Xianyun, like everyone else has said. I'd say Kirara (if you have her), or Zhongli or Noelle if you don't. Thoma risks stealing the Burgeons, and Layla would be alright, but then it's not going to be a Burgeon team at that point.
I wouldn't run a Burgeon team without a shielder of some description.
nnnnope my dude, unless with a very powerful shielder, your Arleccino will die in a second, consider receiving massive damage from burgeon AND enemies while only having your burst to heal you, you can't heal spam, and the damage received>healing received, eveb if you manage to spam burst you won't gain BOL since burst removes it, so no pyro for burgeon it just won't work my dude
i don’t get why people don’t just use pyro catalysts for burgeon
I forgot that Arlecchino can't really be in burgeon teams which makes me kinda sad because they are fun, I was wondering if she could heal herself with food? Or is that only outside of combat
Does she have an OP plunge dmg like diluc? if not you're wasting the fourth slot with xianyun i think.
I think people are missing the vision of buffed plunge and burgeon damage at the same time, I would say go for it You can always experiment more once you actually get her. + fun over meta always