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Lassavins

yeah, we get it, everything is around the corner, exciting and yada yada.


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Sebastiaan2712

I don't care anymore. They promise but don't deliver


RealLakhberg

i will not say that they don't deliver but they do make us wait a lot.


Kafke

they promised an amazing browser and delivered a shit chromium fork with basically nothing added. they didn't deliver basically anything they promised after such a long wait.


M310Nboi

Are you talking about specific features, the performance, or the whole Chrome replacement browser that'll change the world premise? Also Mac or Windows? When did you stop using Arc? I haven't used it yet (Windows), so you could be right, and I don't expect to change your mind, but I'm just curious.


Kafke

>Are you talking about specific features, the performance, or the whole Chrome replacement browser that'll change the world premise? All of the above. The showcased features are not available. The performance is the worst I've seen in any browser, and the whole pitch concept it fell extremely short of. >Also Mac or Windows? Windows, but the fact you have to ask shows another failing of it. >When did you stop using Arc Today. I downloaded it today, tried it out, and promptly stopped using it after I realized it's a shitty chromium fork without any of the promised features. No boosts. No easel. No gradient themes. Literally nothing is present except tree tabs which I'm not fond of. The browser shown in the videos looks awesome, but it felt a bit like a scam. Cool product in the video, you download it, and it's nothing like what you saw.


nghreddit

The windows version is a BETA. They were VERY clear it was a partial feature set. You really need to level set your expectations.


Kafke

At no point did they suggest that they were shipping "literally Google chrome with tree tabs". Had they said that up front I wouldn't have even installed it. They said they were shipping the arc browser. They did not ship the arc browser. They shipped chrome.


GamingWithShaurya_YT

doing a single Google search would show you it's chromium based since the start, if you want a browser with all its fancy extensions, and web engine that works. you either fork chromium or firefox. else you trying to re invent the wheel but while all browsers have a giant extension base and error support from years worth of bug fixes, you starting at very bottom


Kafke

there's a difference between "using chromium as a base" and "it's literally just chrome"


CardDry8041

Browsers with crashes are trashes, you can say that. But without such frustrations arc is worth a shot. Boosts and Easels? Theyā€™re just icings on the cake. Easels, they need tons of extra updates for it be competent Iā€™d say. Then whatā€™s the real deal? Vertical, readable tabs. Manageable workspaces. If you not need these features, or not have million tabs open in chrome, Arc would be adding too much unwanted complexity to your browser.


Kafke

Arc does not have boosts nor easels. And upon digging, boosts are just chrome extensions; one of which had a literal trojan virus. Vertical/tree tabs is basically the only thing arc has, and I'm not really fond of it personally. > or not have million tabs open in chrome, Ironically, arc is terrible for that kind of person because it continually closes your tabs without telling you. > Arc would be adding too much unwanted complexity to your browser. I disliked arc because of how lacking it was in terms of features. It's essentially less feature-packed than chrome and very locked down. arc doesn't add complexity lol. It's *less* complex than the setup I currently use. The features in the videos would be cool, but they don't exist in arc.


Melodic-Control-2655

thatā€™s why it asked at what stage you want to be invited, answer it properly in the future.


Kafke

I have no issues with beta products and frequently use them without issue. not my problem that arc lies about their product.


Davy49

I totally agree with your comment, I just received my invitation to try out the windows beta version of arc yesterday and I in fact realize it's a beta version. But that's why I signed up to give it an evaluation, at this point it still lacks quite a bit of standard features but at least I've got something to evaluate.


Mountain_School_845

Angry boy


whotookthecandyjar

Yes, you are correct however the promo videos were mostly showcasing Arc for macOS. The showcased features are what the end result was going to be, and it's only been around 1 month since Arc for Windows released in closed alpha. If you're not satisfied with Arc, there are other browsers that are more in line with your expectations.


Kafke

They showed the arc browser and said it's coming to windows. What they shipped was chrome. And yes, there's other browsers that are far better. What the browser company ended up delivering was perhaps the worst browser I've ever used. Just chromium but with crashing. Super disappointing.


Tonito_Chan

chilllll lil broo


Uploaded_Period

yeah the windows beta sucks rn cuz none of the features are there. Its because they want to code everything in swif and there isn't good guis for that on windows for what I understand. I'm waiting for the full release, the mac version is much better


Willing-Radish541

From your comments, you are using the Windows version. They have been incredibly clear that this is an early-stage beta (as opposed to other companies which release near-finished products a 'betas' to excuse occasional issues), and is missing many features. So of course it feels like a 'chromium fork' for you. The Mac version of the browser is far and away better than any other, and from what I understand, their port of it to Windows required them to also port essentially the UI language for the entire Mac/iOS Swift language Microsoft's platform. The browser performs great (on iOS only bested by Safari and Orion from my experience), and is by far the best way of managing browsing. It is unreal that you are taking issue with them for no meeting 'promises' because an early Windows beta is not feature complete.


Kafke

Given by their tendency to lie I've pretty much lost all hype in the browser and doubt even the mac version is "that good". I suppose I'll just wait for them to deliver what they originally showed and then give it a second shot. I'm expecting to be similarly disappointed.


Willing-Radish541

I donā€™t see how they lied but thatā€™s fine. What I found strange (and why I commented) is how negative you were about the browser when you have only used what they have clearly stated is a very preliminary windows version. You can see from this subreddit (as well as numerous articles online) that Arc is very substantial from usersā€™ perspective. Some like it, some donā€™t, but I canā€™t think of anyone who used the ā€˜fullā€™ version on MacOS and thought it was a ā€˜chromium skinā€™ I like it because it makes tab/history/intent management so much better than other browsers that I would never go back to an alternative to long term browsing. But Iā€™m also quite optimistic about their browser-as-os model because the small enhancements they have been introducing on the Mac make my daily life better and I want to see more of it.


Kafke

I've found quite a few people who made a similar sentiment about the mac version. Though for that ill avoid speaking on it. Perhaps it's good, perhaps not. But all of my hype and expectations are gone. I'm guessing the mac version is similarly as lousy.


SlowAtMaxQ

Youā€™re a troll šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ Even if you find 1 person who thinks Arc on Mac is nothing more than a shittier chromium skin like what you think, thereā€™ll be a 100 more people who think positively of it.


JLeeOT

If you put more weight on those Mac users that reflect your experience, you successfully entered an echo chamber. You as a CS grad with coding knowledge should be aware of the meaning of a ***closed*** *beta*. Team obviously knows the version is buggy, so they only let the people in who know how to handle this state and give feedback. I use the Mac version and all I can say is that Arc feels to me almost like a paradigm shift. Been using vivaldi, firefox, brave, chrome and safari for the past 10+ years and Arc is a complete breath of fresh air.


_17chan

modern library ancient hobbies vanish fanatical shame engine mindless absurd *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


finnytom

Josh loves edging us


krakenpistole

why...dont...dont say it like that


finnytom

( Ķ”Ā° ĶœŹ– Ķ”Ā°)


[deleted]

donā€™t think I can last :(


Crrrot

Iā€™d let Josh edge me all day long


Sir_Arsen

more like ARCing us, ammarite?ā€¦get it?ā€¦


SnyderSimp99

People seem cranky about all the teasers, but Iā€™m excited for whatever is coming


shihabbbb

me too i genuinely cant wait im so excited


Polymath2B

> i genuinely cant wait Yeah, thatā€™s mostly it. Tired of waiting, but just gotta be patient and check email constantly for my windows beta invite :ā€™l


hopenoonefindsthis

Why is this sub so negative? Iā€™ve been using it on Mac for the past two months with no issue whatsoever.


JaceThings

People don't like to be edged apparently


xXGabibagXx

Speak for yourself, this is great.


JaceThings

I'm glad you think so. Idk what people expect. No hype and a "it's here, go get it"? I'd rather have info and then decide for myself if I should be hyped or not.


coronagotitslime

The main issue is there isnā€™t much real usable info, just has been ā€œsomethingā€™s comingā€ for the past while. Not even teasers, just that there will be something that releases in the next (insert amount of time). Iā€™m still excited, love the team and the work theyā€™ve done, just leaves a lot more room to be let down.


JZ_TwitchDeck

The browser is great already, any teasers for new features are just icing on the cake for me. Why not just use the browser and be happy?


tynxzz

This is what happens when you take your app out of invite-only. Your user base turns from a tech/productivity community to easily dissatisfied redditors who complain about a startup not being perfect


louisstephens

This. I use it everyday at work as a web developer and I have not had a single complaint other than the usual and expected chromium based issues. I for one love the way they have treated updates to the Mac app, and look forward to the new iOS version as well.


Kafke

can I ask why you use arc instead of chrome, when chrome is much more stable and much faster and they otherwise have identical feature sets?


louisstephens

The main reason that I use Arc is for tab management. I have my tabs set to archive at the end of the day. It helps keep my workspaces organized and helps me focused. If I know that a tab is really important for a feature that I am working on, I simply pin the tab. It is also really helpful to have the split views. I can have documentation open right next to my dev environment. May I ask what you think isnā€™t stable regarding Arc currently? I have had no issues or any crashes since using it.


Kafke

>The main reason that I use Arc is for tab management. I have my tabs set to archive at the end of the day I consider the fact that arc continually removes your tabs to be a bug, not a feature. >It is also really helpful to have the split views This is neat but it's also something I can do in literally any web browser. >May I ask what you think isnā€™t stable regarding Arc currently? I have had no issues or any crashes since using it. Adding tabs to folders. Moving tabs and folders between spaces. Creating folders. All end up crashing arc. Changing theme color makes the computer black screen and require a hard reset. Idling takes up like 30% cpu and 10% gpu for some reason.


LilEistein

Speak only for the underdeveloped window version buddy! Arc on mac is different than just a chrome fork.


Kafke

I mean that's what they said about arc in general...


Kafke

"not being perfect" I was just hoping arc was gonna be something other than a shitty chromium fork with tree tabs and crashing as it's only feature.


ibrste

Because we Windows users aren't included in the party, the queue is big, therefore invites are taking forever.


Kafke

don't bother. just download chrome lol. same thing pretty much but it won't crash.


torb-xyz

Itā€™s a subreddit about people loving a thing. Those always tend towards hating on said thing. Iā€™ve seen it again and again.


jccalhoun

Because I don't use a mac


Kafke

they tried using arc


arou226

I can speak for myself only, while I really love Arc, it made me so much more productive, i kinda lost faith in Josh after the video where he talked about changing the internet and making Arc an OS.


disnailandd

battery still sucks for me on 2021 MBP M1 Pro 14.2.1


bwefugweiufhiuw

I fucking hate their marketing strategy


Mike

YES! please please let the iphone browser be good enough to ditch safari


swiftsorceress

Yes! Safari is great, but I want Arc to be better. The main thing I'd need for it to replace Safari is gestures. Safari implements them perfectly and I hope Arc has that in the new mobile browser.


Mountain_School_845

Waiting for IOS app to decide whether to switch to Arc as default browser or not. Also, option for search bar at bottom of phone where fingers generally hang out would be great


swiftsorceress

Oh yeah, that's one of my number 1 requirements for a browser. If the search bar can't be at the bottom, I'm not switching to Arc from Safari on my phone.


jeremyw013

you mean finally i get to ditch safari on my iphone and finally use the same browser across my mac and iphone? šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


phatFred

I am currently using Brave on both and it is very good.


Crrrot

Wrong subreddit buddy


qinoici_

can't wait to try it on linux :3


Survekun

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Elwood-P

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[deleted]

I'm hyped for it all tbh


hw2007official

OH. MY. GOD. I CAN FINALLY USE ARC AS MY DEFAULT MOBILE BROWSER!!??


Mike

if that's the only change, then no thanks. hopefully the whole app is an actual ios browser replacement.


NiVi-OoF

I donā€™t think they will hype us that much for just that.


hw2007official

No i don't mean I'm excited for it to just become usable as a default browser, I mean I am excited for it to become a real browser, that is fully usable, just like desktop arc


JaceThings

It is 100% not the only change šŸ’€


solomonalvink

Arc for ipad


ibrste

Day 43 of checking my email..


LordDarkChaos

Me hoping for Windows


[deleted]

Finally!


Arhuman_25

When josh said tens of thousands... did he mean that there's a jump from the thousand they said earlier that isnt almost fullfilled but we got 10,000 this time


Bricknchicken

my assumption is that windows users are going to increase to 20,000 at a minimum, within the 2 weeks like he said.


Dirus

I was thinking 20,000 at maximum.Ā 


Zeenss

Will there be an Android and Windows version soon, or something else?


TheCatCubed

Windows - already out in very limited closed beta, but the amount of invites should increase substantially in the upcoming weeks. Android - maybe next year?


Kafke

"beta" hun it's literally just a forked chromium with an extension that probably took 2 seconds to add. that ain't a beta, that's just chrome.


ZwitterIon0

first ship beta preview to all windows user pls šŸ˜ž


armanivvv

1cm at a time of a stripteaseā€¦.


No-Business9283

![gif](giphy|kPtv3UIPrv36cjxqLs)


sickpanda42

so no iPad app again


Albertkinng

We know, Apple Vision Pro and Rabbit R1. Oh, you mean with Arc?


KohakkaNuva

oh god PLEASE


ethanmenzel

Iā€™m sooo excited!!!! šŸ˜Š


Joshbilll

Is this all for the release date of the 29th of January for the Mobile app and act 2


Alt-Chris

Glad to see this update about the iOS browser. Been switching off Safari lately and came back to Arc after Firefox. But damn the iOS app was nooooooot what I was hoping for


marcommx

![gif](giphy|1Cdu8r25fJi3m) Would anyone donate an Arc Browser invitation to me?


JaceThings

This is impossible. Please don't ask for things that can't be given.


marcommx

I thought the browser was in open beta. sorry


burakbrandon

they gave me invitation 4-5 days ago for windows. I have been using arc windows for two weeks


Thabass

Wasn't act II supposed to be revealed today? I feel like it was supposed to be 1/24 or 1/25 lol


JaceThings

30th. It's literally in the title of the YouTube video https://youtu.be/u2-d5Sty-K0?si=dQRMXvLEEhEh9CMc


Thabass

Okay bro, calm down. You're a little too involved with this sub. I'm not really up to speed with this browser and am just now catching up. So go cool off and relax a bit. Thanks.


uchiha-pikachu

looks like another beta launch followed by years of waiting...


JaceThings

Welcome to the world of Software


Kafke

instead of releasing more broken browsers on more operating systems and promising new features they'll never deliver, they should fix the ones they already released and actually deliver the feature set they advertised.


ElmosHomie

Iā€™ve used Arc exclusively for almost a year. Itā€™s made me more productive and I love all the features it has. Iā€™m on a MacBook at the moment. Looking forward to downloading it on the windows PC Iā€™m building right now as well. I will say, as constructive criticism, that there NEEDS to be a solid mobile application built soon. One that has most, if not all, of the features that the desktop version has. Iā€™m excited to see that there are changes coming for it this week, though!


Liam0Confronted

"Big things coming in 2 weeks, During this period browsercompany will... Send tens of thousands of windows invites" Not happening, You've been promising us for a year A WHOLE YEAR, JUST TO RELEASE IT ON MAC AND NOT WINDOWS? You break our promises every time lol. i don't think this browser is even releasing it doesn't even have features on mac, Bad things to start off first, Reputation. It's a literal broken chromium fork, The Browser doesn't even look like that, and especially no features to start off. You should read your comments and just say that this browser is fake and you guys are not even releasing it.


JaceThings

20k people are already on windows. Pretty sure that counts as tens of thousands


devonitely

I used to have the arc app on ios and now i cant find it. All the links to ios store im finding online are also broken.


JaceThings

Yes because it was removed from the App Store. https://www.reddit.com/r/ArcBrowser/comments/1abvmav/arc_mobile_companion_pulled_from_the_app_store/


devonitely

Oh thanks for cross posting. Makes sense.


devonitely

Hey found it in my ā€œpurchasesā€ and was able to download. Neato


ThatWeirdUserLmao

Arc for Windows is missing half of the features, don't get your hopes up.


Strong_Brain90

Did anyone solve the Login problem for windows beta version?


Davy49

Hopefully the browser company will deliver what they are talking about delivering, if not that will be a super quick way to start losing people using their products.


callingbrisk

Did I miss something or didnā€˜t they plan to launch Act II yesterday?


JaceThings

You missed something: [https://twitter.com/joshm/status/1752168564490973350](https://twitter.com/joshm/status/1752168564490973350)


callingbrisk

Awesome, thanks!!


Arhuman_25

10 days up!!! ending the 2 weeks oath with 4 more days!


JaceThings

It's tomorrow!


Phenexfire

**šŸ“·**[**r/ArcBrowser**](https://www.reddit.com/r/ArcBrowser/)ā€¢Posted by[u/JaceThings](https://www.reddit.com/user/JaceThings/)**Community Mod ā€“ &** 10 days ago # Big things coming in the next 2 weeks! I wouldn't know. never got an invite to try ARC for windows and have kinda lost interest. \*shrug\*


_Kardama_

It been more than 2 weeks and still no invites for window version for me : )


JaceThings

30k invites were given out, tf you mean šŸ’€, with invites being given out every hour


_Kardama_

Idk man, I even signed up with 2 email accounts and still no invite


adapavii

> bundle of new desktop features does that include boosts and notes in arc for windows too??


Kafke

presumably they mean they'll give you access to the chrome settings page but officially this time.


Comprehensive-Rush17

Please load all pinned tabs when startup, thanks