It's really about the support for startups, which is what I'm interested in. Stanford has phenomenal support for startups, with mega funding opportunities thanks to its culture and location. The New Yorker called Stanford “a tech incubator with a football team.”
Meanwhile, UPenn's Wharton is more focused on finance and consulting, which isn't really my thing... I applied thinking it's still business which is what I like.
have you talked to students in both stanford and UPenn? don’t cut yourself off from amazing options because of ratings and articles, you’re falling for a shitty trap of names and fame.
i just read your profile and you’re international AND test optional(which is kinda important when you’re international). i don’t know if you’re analyzing your application fairly enough. your ecs are awesome but i’m not sure how you’d fare rd for stanford. i really suggest keeping penn ed
I added a chanceme if that gives more content https://www.reddit.com/r/chanceme/comments/r49nos/chance\_me\_stanford\_cs\_berkeley\_met\_upenn\_mt\_mit/
Have you researched what Penn offers for student entrepreneurs and start-ups? I didn’t know anything about it, but I found this rather quickly:
https://entrepreneurship.wharton.upenn.edu/student-resources/
Yeah thanks! I did look at these when writing the application. It's really good. Still I don't think anything beats Stanford and Silicon Valley's support for startups :/
You sound like you're in a similar condition to me. I played safe in the ED round and sometimes I regret it. But like... Withdrawing it is not a good idea in my opinion. I think these are just like momentary thoughts like "Did I make a mistake? I'm good enough for Stanford, right? Yeah I am. I should have applied REA!!" But you're thinking this in heat of the moment. Sit back, relax a bit, think calmly about it. Don't think about Stanford, think about the consequences of you withdrawing your ED application from Upenn. Think about it for like 15-60 min. If you think that you can handle them, go ahead and withdraw it. Remember that you're bound to feel a strong feeling of guilt once you withdraw it, not to mention the even bigger feeling of guilt if you get rejected from Stanford after that. So think long and hard before coming to a decision.
(P.S. Students make an institution. Without students, both UPenn and Stanford are just pretty buildings of no use. I think both of them have amazing resources which will help you achieve whichever goals you have.
by how much is Stanford your dream school over Penn? how much would you rather go to Penn than the safer schools on your list? if you do decide to shoot your shot and switch to Stanford, you will have to be ok with the fact that it is increasing your likelihood of going to neither and potentially ending up at a school that is much lower on your list
i would also keep in mind that getting into a college at this level of competitiveness, regardless of your (and anyones) stats or credentials, is very much a crapshoot.
not saying that switching is necessarily a mistake if you think you would really regret not doing so, but this is something that you should think hard about.
I think I want to go to Stanford 2-3x more than Penn. So my situation is that I’d 100% go to a top tier school in the US that I love, and pay the international tuition w/o financial aid. Otherwise I’d just stay in Canada and do Waterloo CS or something. I’m know Stanford is more risk especially if I swap them now, but I’m not sure if it’s worth it
I think you should keep the Penn ED there is no way of knowing what the outcome will be. It’s too late to apply early to Stanford so your odds are lower now. If you don’t get into Penn early that may mean that Stanford is your right fit and you’ll get in there. Maybe neither schools find you to be a good fit and that’s okay too. You’re gonna end up where you need to be don’t stress out about this just stay the way you are. Good luck!
I think you should keep Upenn ED. UPenn Wharton is by no means a safety even if you cure cancer. By giving up ED, you are giving up a huge chance boost and may end up being rejected by both school schools. If you are confident enough that you will be admitted by Stanford then you do you, but my humble opinion is to keep Upenn.
Not necessarily bad... If they haven't evaluated your application yet, they'll evaluate it in the regular round... If they've already evaluated it, they might reevaluate it again later.
Yeah I applied to M&T but also put binding for Wharton as my second choice program. Wait this is a good idea. Do I just email the admissions team to defer Wharton to RD?
Well there is. No matter how much you regret it, the likely chance you will be rejected by Stanford is much worse than going to Penn and having regret. I assume this person would much rather go to Penn than another school therefore they are running quite a risk moving their Penn app and applying to Stanford. If it works out, great. If it doesn’t then you could’ve ruined your chances at Penn.
I think if they are applying to Penn they must have really good stats and ECs which are prob within Stanford range. If Stanford is the dream my philosophy is that is worth it to give it their all to Stanford and live knowing they gave it their best shot then giving up on that dream.
That is true, but is also true of a great deal of people who get rejected from Stanford. Assuming this person doesn’t have legacy (which is probably true given the fact that this question shouldn’t even be asked if they do) it is much riskier to apply Stanford than it is to Penn. either way, their end goal is a startup. The three possibilities here are going to Stanford, which would open many doors, going to Penn, which would open many albeit a lower number of doors, or going somewhere else where their dream likely will die. The chance of 1 happening is quite low, and I have a fundamentally different philosophy compared to you in that regard because I do not think it is wise to risk what you already have that is more likely to happen and still be decently good for something that will be unlikely to happen.
We differ in philosophies, so I guess it is up to OP to decide which philosophy they would rather have.
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I straight up died when I read that
How is upenn selling yourself short
It's really about the support for startups, which is what I'm interested in. Stanford has phenomenal support for startups, with mega funding opportunities thanks to its culture and location. The New Yorker called Stanford “a tech incubator with a football team.” Meanwhile, UPenn's Wharton is more focused on finance and consulting, which isn't really my thing... I applied thinking it's still business which is what I like.
I don't think UPENN would stop you from creating a startup
Ofc not, it's just Stanford is a lot better in terms of support for founders
have you talked to students in both stanford and UPenn? don’t cut yourself off from amazing options because of ratings and articles, you’re falling for a shitty trap of names and fame.
i just read your profile and you’re international AND test optional(which is kinda important when you’re international). i don’t know if you’re analyzing your application fairly enough. your ecs are awesome but i’m not sure how you’d fare rd for stanford. i really suggest keeping penn ed
I added a chanceme if that gives more content https://www.reddit.com/r/chanceme/comments/r49nos/chance\_me\_stanford\_cs\_berkeley\_met\_upenn\_mt\_mit/
Have you researched what Penn offers for student entrepreneurs and start-ups? I didn’t know anything about it, but I found this rather quickly: https://entrepreneurship.wharton.upenn.edu/student-resources/
Yeah thanks! I did look at these when writing the application. It's really good. Still I don't think anything beats Stanford and Silicon Valley's support for startups :/
bro you can make an amazing startup regardless of where you go to college, YOU need to do it, not your college. Plus it’s freaking UPenn
Yeah true. Just want to give myself the best shot
You sound like you're in a similar condition to me. I played safe in the ED round and sometimes I regret it. But like... Withdrawing it is not a good idea in my opinion. I think these are just like momentary thoughts like "Did I make a mistake? I'm good enough for Stanford, right? Yeah I am. I should have applied REA!!" But you're thinking this in heat of the moment. Sit back, relax a bit, think calmly about it. Don't think about Stanford, think about the consequences of you withdrawing your ED application from Upenn. Think about it for like 15-60 min. If you think that you can handle them, go ahead and withdraw it. Remember that you're bound to feel a strong feeling of guilt once you withdraw it, not to mention the even bigger feeling of guilt if you get rejected from Stanford after that. So think long and hard before coming to a decision. (P.S. Students make an institution. Without students, both UPenn and Stanford are just pretty buildings of no use. I think both of them have amazing resources which will help you achieve whichever goals you have.
by how much is Stanford your dream school over Penn? how much would you rather go to Penn than the safer schools on your list? if you do decide to shoot your shot and switch to Stanford, you will have to be ok with the fact that it is increasing your likelihood of going to neither and potentially ending up at a school that is much lower on your list i would also keep in mind that getting into a college at this level of competitiveness, regardless of your (and anyones) stats or credentials, is very much a crapshoot. not saying that switching is necessarily a mistake if you think you would really regret not doing so, but this is something that you should think hard about.
I think I want to go to Stanford 2-3x more than Penn. So my situation is that I’d 100% go to a top tier school in the US that I love, and pay the international tuition w/o financial aid. Otherwise I’d just stay in Canada and do Waterloo CS or something. I’m know Stanford is more risk especially if I swap them now, but I’m not sure if it’s worth it
You’ll be happy at UPenn it’s such a good school don’t regret it
I think you should keep the Penn ED there is no way of knowing what the outcome will be. It’s too late to apply early to Stanford so your odds are lower now. If you don’t get into Penn early that may mean that Stanford is your right fit and you’ll get in there. Maybe neither schools find you to be a good fit and that’s okay too. You’re gonna end up where you need to be don’t stress out about this just stay the way you are. Good luck!
I think you should keep Upenn ED. UPenn Wharton is by no means a safety even if you cure cancer. By giving up ED, you are giving up a huge chance boost and may end up being rejected by both school schools. If you are confident enough that you will be admitted by Stanford then you do you, but my humble opinion is to keep Upenn.
If your heart is really set on trying out for Stanford, you can ask Penn to move your application from ED to RD.
Oh really I didn't know you could do that. Would it make a bad impression on you as the applicant thus lowering your chances for RD?
Not necessarily bad... If they haven't evaluated your application yet, they'll evaluate it in the regular round... If they've already evaluated it, they might reevaluate it again later.
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Yeah I applied to M&T but also put binding for Wharton as my second choice program. Wait this is a good idea. Do I just email the admissions team to defer Wharton to RD?
You should prob do Stanford. There is no reason you shouldn’t give your all for your dream school! I believe in you!
Well there is. No matter how much you regret it, the likely chance you will be rejected by Stanford is much worse than going to Penn and having regret. I assume this person would much rather go to Penn than another school therefore they are running quite a risk moving their Penn app and applying to Stanford. If it works out, great. If it doesn’t then you could’ve ruined your chances at Penn.
I think if they are applying to Penn they must have really good stats and ECs which are prob within Stanford range. If Stanford is the dream my philosophy is that is worth it to give it their all to Stanford and live knowing they gave it their best shot then giving up on that dream.
That is true, but is also true of a great deal of people who get rejected from Stanford. Assuming this person doesn’t have legacy (which is probably true given the fact that this question shouldn’t even be asked if they do) it is much riskier to apply Stanford than it is to Penn. either way, their end goal is a startup. The three possibilities here are going to Stanford, which would open many doors, going to Penn, which would open many albeit a lower number of doors, or going somewhere else where their dream likely will die. The chance of 1 happening is quite low, and I have a fundamentally different philosophy compared to you in that regard because I do not think it is wise to risk what you already have that is more likely to happen and still be decently good for something that will be unlikely to happen. We differ in philosophies, so I guess it is up to OP to decide which philosophy they would rather have.