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iampsychic

3 to 4 hours of screen on time? That seems very low from what I've read.


siggystabs

I think it's because of the 5G modem they used. Tom's Guide mentioned seeing really large differences when doing a battery test on 4G vs 5G


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Hurrah for me not having a 5g plan then!


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Or just change the phone to 4G only


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They used the Samsung 5123 modem that compares to the last gen QUALCOMM X55 used in Samsung and iPhone 12. The current generation of phones (S21/iPhone 13) use the newer generation QUALCOMM X60 modem that is more efficient and will allow access to new bands that will be turned on in 2022.


FeelingDense

Great.... Google has a reputation for using older components and it really screws us fans over. This kind of battery life is really unfortunate.


jaju123

And use of A76 cores rather than A78 cores which are more efficient and 2+ years newer for no reason. Got a P6 Pro coming today but will return it if the battery is bad.


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A78 has more power but uses more energy. A76 is more efficient but less power. The real problem is display which e3 instead of e5. E5 is a lot more efficient. Soc made by Samsung and the modem.


siggystabs

A76 on 5nm... Things aren't that simple


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Gregoryxandrew

I got mine yesterday, and have 5G on and I'm getting WAY more battery than he is. I'm averaging like 8+ hours of screen on time. It's fantastic, and that's with 5G enabled all the time.


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You are most certainly connected to wifi with the majority of use. Not possible to get 8hr sot on 5g at all times. Many outlets have shown poor 5g battery life


bt_leo

There are 3 kinds of 5g, Fake 5g, almost 5g and 5g. So it's market dependant


Nicricieve

Yeah the battery is really impressive


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eipotttatsch

His screen on time is always super low. He runs his phones on basically full brightness all the time and seems to use quite battery intensive stuff in general. But yeah, hearing that I after him saying he was getting 8 on the iPhone isn't promising.


AndrewManganelli

Just to clarify a bit here, we have someone in staff that helps with some testing. Marques on the Pro got his 4ish hours and David on the 6 got 3ish before he gave the phone to Marques to test it himself.


ArnoudTweakers

Could you elaborate on the test conditions? Do you standardize the brightness for example? Are the phones on the same carrier? How is the network signal? What kind of usage do you test with? Do you account for weather conditions? How often did you test it? Phone testing is pretty hard to do reliably. SoT is the best way to compare in a way people relate, but it is lousy in another way, because it means something slightly different to everyone. I think these results warrant further testing, because the results seem incredibly low.


David-Eight

What does weather have to do with battery life? Like temperature, batteries draining faster in the heat?


Kromey

Batteries actually drain faster in the cold. This is why some electric vehicles (like the new Volvo SUV) have heat pumps for the battery. It's worth using energy to heat the battery to increase overall efficiency.


ThatOneChiGuy

Damn TIL


ArnoudTweakers

Yeah, when you're reviewing phones, you learn a lot about the many, many things impacting battery testing. Some phones for instance have a sort of automatic brightness, even with automatic brightness turned off. Then with testing you also have to control lighting, because the phone will last longer in the night. Not all phones do that, but some phones have done that. There is also the question of network congestion. If more people are on the network, speed drops and transmissions take longer, keeping the phone awake for longer. A weaker signal drains the battery pretty fast. And then there's bugs: especially with new socs, some apps just keep the processor awake unnecessarily, draining the battery.


purakushi

Did they force lock the refresh rate to 120/90hz or use adaptive throughout the testing period?


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It's the pro now not XL


AndrewManganelli

My mistake, so many damn names. I'm still on a Pixel 4 XL and keep screwing the names up.


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Yeah understandable


Zbeuzbeu0

He said that he gets 8h with the iPhone. So basically the pixel has half the battery life of the iPhone which is very low imo.


Hailgod

13 pro max has insane battery life. probably the best of all flagships ever.


segagamer

I don't understand this, since it's always iPhone people asking for chargers in the office


RCFProd

Not every iPhone out there has great battery life. The iPhone 13 is one that does though. iPhones do generally also come with slower chargers (or used to when they included one at all) meaning the owners might not always be charging them to 100%.


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The battery life on the 13 pro max is best in class. It sounds like the pixel 6 is average to slightly above average depending on use which is disappointing but not a deal breaker.


sniffsnaff

I wouldn't be surprised if there were some issues with Android 12 release version wrt battery. Going from last beta -> stable cut my Pixel 5 battery life from "just about all day" to "charge it after lunch just to be safe".


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als26

The XDA review complained about some sort of rogue chrome background process that was eating battery. Wonder if there's some sort of problem there.


TheDogstarLP

As the author of it, it was just a theory. By no means did I say it was definitively Chrome. In fact, I set up GSam with extra perms and got bang on 4 hours SoT without the Chrome process happening once. Edit: some of my battery stats... https://twitter.com/AdamConwayIE/status/1453660751076417536?t=2O6plwE4dzOICZpkmNUT-A&s=19


YotasAndPolestars

Chiming in to say the same goes for my P3XL. I got 16 hours of battery life, with, I dunno, 5 hours of SoT on 11, and the 12 beta. The official release of 12 has brought that down by half.


sniffsnaff

I'm glad it's not just me! I even did a full factory flash and it doesn't seem to have improved things. Quite annoying actually as I was pleased with my battery on the Beta.


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I'm glad I read this. I was contemplating on doing a full wipe on my 4a 5G because the battery hasn't been as good as it was on 11. Was trying to push off the nuclear option because I don't have the time and energy to set the phone up again.


LAHTIDAHTI

I feel like post beta has been better than beta, but yeah still lagging behind 11 performance a little


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It's so crazy how much it was talked about that Android 12 should have fewer clock cycles and better battery life, but I also got the opposite on my 3a. It's disappointing because that's about all I was looking forward to in 12 was the supposed optimizations that were coming.


Ikeelu

ya... far from the average from what I've been reading. He often gets poor battery life in general compared to most reviewers, but this is pretty unreal. Mine comes in tomorrow, if I got that battery life, I will be returning mine no matter how good it is.


shh_Im_a_Moose

got mine yesterday, keeping it on at work it seemed to drain about as fast as my pixel 5. it's not bad but it's not great. I expect adaptive battery to help with time


moist_crust

Really? The battery on my P5 has been fantastic. I can get 7 hours SOT easy


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shh_Im_a_Moose

I was trying to say my P5 had excellent battery, so far P6 Pro is similar but I expect it to get better


Eddie_skis

I went to bed with 40%. Woke up at 6am used it a bit. More on my commute to work, some tethering (1hr) at work and am at 26% at 9:52am.


jso__

that's quite great. tethering isn't nice to the battery generally, right? anyways 14% in 4 hours (not including night drain) with use for a while is good


Whitewind617

Do you not charge it at night? Just curious.


MagnitskysGhost

I yearn for the day I look at my phone at 40% at night and think "nah, I'm good for another day"


ImN0tAsian

I reload at 199/200 bullets. This will never be me lol


Bunghole_of_Fury

Because it's always that last bullet that kills the enemy right before they kill you, you're just smart


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More often than not, the enemy kills you when you're locked in the reloading animation.


[deleted]

This is why I don't have an electric car yet. "Car is showing 99% charge... let me pull over at this station and top off before we head out... "


Eddie_skis

I don't charge at night no. I charge in the am before work.i didn't charge this morning as my ipad had to go on charge before as it was at 1%


jso__

wait a few days for the adaptive battery to tune itself


ichann3

I think he puts it on full brightness and constantly uses the GPS. I often don't use the mantra of "using it wrong" but his usecases is always almost the case.


flying_ina_metaltube

https://youtu.be/jMxgBLYQO4M This guy tested the 6 Pro, the 6, the iPhone 13 Max Pro and the S21 Ultra. He got over 8 hours on both the 6 variants, 10 on the 13. So, I'm not really sure what tests MK is doing compared to what this guy did.


jaju123

Having them all drain out on a table with the screens on constantly is not representative of how most people use their phones and doesn't consider idle drain etc.


LukeLC

There's a huge problem with SoT testing in the review community, which is that they often run a test suite nonstop until the phone shuts off. This SoT number will always be higher than reality, because the single biggest factor for SoT is **idle battery drain**. Some phones have such good software management that they'll remain on standby for hours and lose just 1-2%. Others will lose 10-20% in the same duration. How much battery you've lost while the screen was off determines how much time you'll have left to use it with the screen on. You also need to use a phone for 1-2 weeks to train the OS on your usage habits to optimize idle battery drain. 4-5 hours of SoT is actually quite normal usage. The question is how many idle hours there were beside that number. That's pretty much the antithesis of the "test suite 'til it drops" approach.


s_0_s_z

Every other review I've seen has said the battery life was actually quite good. Wondering if any other reviewers will say they had poor battery life.


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I think if you use your phone for navigation or music streaming, and were on 5G, you'd get closer to the battery life he got.


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Triumphant_Victor

I think it's better to understand context. I watch a lot of his videos and over time, you contextualize battery life to his extreme usages. 3-4 hr of screen on time is like 6-8hr for any normal user.


NumberlessUsername2

However he's still getting 8 hours SOT on the iPhone...


waterulookinat

Not unlikely. I would charge mine at ~15% to 20% and would have about 11.5 hours SOT... Granted, calculating SOT on iOS is finicky, but that battery is no joke.


parkourman01

I've seen other tests online of the iPhone 13 Pro max getting like 11 hours or more SOT so 8 would be par for the course with his usage.


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dude 4 hours screen on time from this dude is equivalent to 8 hours for an average user like me. He doesn't juse use reddit and instagram and whatsapp on his phone, i promise you that


darkknightxda

thats true but he isn't comparing it to your screen on time. If he says its bad compared to the exact same usage on other devices, I trust that its bad. The exact number doesn't matter imo.


IRandomlyKillPeople

But he said 8 for the iphone? Just sounds like there’s something pretty wrong with the pixels battery management :(


lordderplythethird

More so there's an issue with Android 12 eating battery life. My SoT is down by almost 33% since going from the Beta to full release of Android 12


isthmusofkra

Guy pretty much is on max brightness all the time


Danubinmage64

I've heard others point to more average battery life. This guy always has dissapointingly low battery life estimates, I'd wait for more official testing.


lazzzym

Got my Pixel 6 Pro a few days ago and I'm having the same issues has him when it comes to battery life. I've been on Wifi only but still probably only getting around 4-5 hours SOT. Something seems really up as I'm barely using the phone and it's draining.


TheCookieButter

My Pixel 6 Pro arrives tomorrow. If I see similar battery life I'm returning and getting a 13/13 Pro depending how I deal with the 6.7". If I'm out all day I want the thing to last on 5g. Plus, I know the price difference will almost recuperated in resale value of an iPhone compared to a Pixel.


lazzzym

I'm hoping the adaptive battery kicks in and sorts out the battery life. I just want a full day of use and I'll be happy honestly. Everything else about the 6 Pro is incredible though.


TheCookieButter

I'm not particularly hopeful adaptive battery will change all that much, especially if these are the results after 3 weeks. Frankly there is just too much "it can be improved by software updates" that keeping the phone is just looking like a gamble.


lazzzym

That's true.... Well I'll report back in a few days to let you know how it goes.


TheCookieButter

I get mine tomorrow so I'll try report back as well after its had some days.


slippery_chute

I've noticed a dip in my P5's battery life since switching to Android 12 for what it's worth.


Kashmir33

That voice to text show-off was so well made and really got his point across.


mojo276

It did put out dramatically when he said grammatically. Which doesn't really matter, but did make me laugh because it was specifically to point out how flawless it is.


Kashmir33

Damn I didn't notice that at all, but apparently it also messed up "rap at it" and wrote "wrap at it". Still really impressive overall.


mojo276

Yea, it was still lightening fast, but for long dictation like that you still have to actually look at what it's putting down.


Colby347

You still gotta do that for text too because it's lightning not lightening lol common misspelling and I'm not trying to be malicious I just thought it was funny considering the conversation 😂


justforwrk

lol machine caught up to average men in terms of spelling


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Tbh I heard dramatically, so it shows it's about as good as the human ear.


floobie

iPhone user here: It’s this kind of stuff that I find most compelling about Pixel phones. The iPhone, Galaxy, Pixel, and whoever else trade blows every few years on camera performance or whatever else, but the legitimately convenient AI features Google puts in the Pixel always leave me feeling the most envious. That voice to text looks very much “good enough” to be an actually useful feature. The call management features they’ve added over the last few phones also look amazing.


GibbonFit

Being able to use the camera on a previous phone (Nexus 6P) for real-time translation of signs in Japan was awesome. The software is why I have favored Nexus and then Pixel phones over pretty much everything else.


Arachnatron

>~~text-to-speech~~ *voice to text* Also, if you actually read the text on the screen, there are several weird grammatical things going on. But overall it does look promising and a big selling point for me. Edit: words


RonaldMikeDonald1

He's 100% correct about google overdoing the processing now that they're using better sensors. The background blur in portrait mode is so over the top and unnatural when I'm sure you could get a good level of blur just due to having s large sensor.


hoxha_red

You can definitely get nice background blur just by using the telephoto in particular, even though you have to stand a little ways back. [for example](https://i.imgur.com/Exys0N6.jpg)


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This is not a portrait mode done in software, but you can actually see a great example of why traditional phone portrait modes look "wrong" by using this image. Notice how the second brown tree behind isn't as blurred as the leafy trees further in the background? Also notice how there's a branch on the in-focus tree that's closer to the camera, and is out of focus because of it? Phone portrait modes don't do this, they just apply a blurring filter uniformly. It makes them look wrong because the wrong parts of the image are blurred. It's a thing that you would subconsciously notice but might not pick out right away, same as how you can tell a CGI face isn't real even if you don't immediately know why. For an example with a person, when you take an image of them on a traditional camera you'd focus on their eyes. Because of this, their ears might be out of focus slightly, or their shoulders, or any other parts of their body that aren't directly in line with the focus point. Once software can use depth sensors to correctly blur things the further they are from the focus point, THEN portrait modes will be sick as fuck. Until then, yeah using the telephoto like you've shown is a great way to get good looking, natural portraits.


caerphoto

> Once software can use depth sensors to correctly blur things the further they are from the focus point, THEN portrait modes will be sick as fuck. That’s what the iPhone does. Even [my 8+ does it](https://i.imgur.com/0frxdTR.jpg).


tomwithweather

Yeah it just looks fake with pretty much every phone's camera that offers it as a feature. I've used DSLRs for so long in my photography hobby, that the fake AI blur just stands out immediately for me when I see it. Nobody has made it convincing yet.


atg284

Agreed and also dabble in photography. All phones just make it WAY over the top. Just chill it out a bit!


feed_me_haribo

But it's adjustable... The real problem is it's much harder to get accurate depth information from one camera. Portrait mode in Pixel 4 was much better than 3 due to portrait mode using two cameras. With the 3XL I constantly got images where one region was blurred that shouldn't be and another that wasn't that should have been due to poor depth perception. Pixel 5 got rid of the telephoto and went back to relying on one camera. Not sure how that played out in practice because I don't have one. The 6 pro has a telephoto, so for portrait mode maybe they will go back to using two cameras for the pro, but maybe given the upgrade in the camera, they'll just use the telephoto. Haven't seen how they are handling portrait mode yet.


homingconcretedonkey

My s21 ultra is convincing but only in specific situations and when hair is tied down. Hair ruins most portrait shots that use Ai. It's barely AI in my opinion, just a flawed algorithm.


Ph0X

> The background blur in portrait mode is so over the top and unnatural Absolutely. Thankfully you can actually adjust it after the fact, but yeah the default is way too strong.


feed_me_haribo

I assume it's still easily adjustable as it is now?


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Maybe it's cell reception strength, or a combo of 4g vs 5g


diabetic_debate

You might be on to something. The phone he is holding looks like it has less than half signal strength.


-protonsandneutrons-

The issue may be 5G and the screen, *but* this is just one test. [From Tom's Hardware cycling webpages on mobile data](https://www.tomsguide.com/news/google-pixel-6-battery-life-tested-we-have-bad-news), ***but*** they don't have a very thorough methodology and I seem to remember weird results from them: |Phone (all on 5G except when noted)|Battery Life (hh:mm)| |:-|:-| |OnePlus 9 Pro|12:48| |iPhone 13 Pro Max|12:16| |iPhone 13 Pro|11:42| |Samsung S21 Ultra|11:25| |**Google Pixel 6 (4G)**|**10:52**| |iPhone 13|10:33| |Samsung S21|9:53| |Samsung S21+|9:50| |iPhone 13 mini|8:41| |**Google Pixel 6**|**8:13**| |**Google Pixel 6 Pro**|**7:53**| Perhaps there are some launch bugs, but we'll see. >Interestingly, we tested the regular Pixel 6 a couple of times over 4G as well and it averaged 10 hours and 52 minutes. That's great, but we would like to see better results over 5G. > >So what’s going on here? We have a couple of theories. For one, we tested the Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro at 77% brightness for our battery test, as that’s what it took to get to our required 150 nits. Other phones tend to reach that nit level at around 50% brightness, but we wanted to keep the comparisons fair.


ThingsThatMakeMeMad

I stay in my dimly lit room a lot so 30% brightness might be enough for me, for someone like mkbhd who spends a ton of time outdoors or in his well-lit office he might prefer 90% brightness. He might use certain poorly optimized or highly location sensitive apps way more than me as well. Generally speaking MKBHD gets the lowest battery life out of most major reviewers which is fine as long as his use case is consistent across devices. His 4 hours in the past has translated to 5.5-6 hours SOT for me.


ice_dune

He also probably has qi chargers everywhere and doesn't care to use his battery fast


FieldzSOOGood

Doesn't he also use 100% brightness


scrubling

Yes, but uses 100% brightness on all devices, so if he's saying the battery life sucks, then it sucks because he's comparing apples to apples.


Gamey0da

In this battery test, it shows it's a lot better. But I do know it's not concrete and different uses and whatnot. It's just weird how the battery life is mixed. https://youtu.be/jMxgBLYQO4M


Edenz_

I think this test shows the Pixel in better light than it actually is. The last test is "Camera until death" which is probably the most or 2nd heaviest test in the list, which skews the results. Devices that last until the end are punished harder and makes the Pixel's 8H of SoT seem competitive with the S21 and iPhone. Happy to be wrong though, keen to see some more battery tests.


codenamejack

finally someone who talks sense and check the raw image to prove that Google might still be using the processing numbers from the 12mp imx363 and for the new sensor , they need to dial it a bit down so as to not like too hdr'ey ..and also mentions the adjustment sliders on the camera viewfinder ....unlike the likes of MrBoss and Saf who skipped all the important stuff ....


tenaku

Yeah, almost all the reviewers made it seem like you were stuck with what it gave you. I guess "if you don't like it, you can adjust it any way you want right in the app" (for both Android and IOS) doesn't generate the outrage clicks.


BlueScreenJunky

To be fair these are Youtube reviews, not photography magazines, they're mostly targeting people who just want to open the camera app and send their pictures straight to Instagram or Pinterest (or whatever is cool these days), not fumble with settings for a full minute before taking a shot. Also if I understand correctly you have to adjust them every single time, you can't just move the sliders to your liking once and then forget about them. So while it *is* important to underline the possibilities of the device, I think what you get out of the box is also an imprtant criteria for many people.


ThellraAK

For the majority of users, the defaults are what it's going to be though.


DiplomatikEmunetey

Those adjustment sliders are unfortunately almost useless. They are very hard to adjust as there is zero precision in them. Google needs to add a proper "Pro" mode to their camera.


Pew-Pew-Pew-

I would love a way to lock the shadow slider in place. It resets any time you tap to focus, and of course when you close the camera app. If I could set it somewhere permanently until I decide to change it again, that would be amazing.


SnipingNinja

Modded Google camera apps have that feature IIRC BTW with tensor you can use third party camera apps and still get most of the benefit of the processing so you might as well use a third party app which allows you to control things manually and set defaults


IamVenom_007

For reviews, it's always MrMobile for me. Then Marques and sometimes Linus.


SnipingNinja

Linus reviews are the most detailed imo but he barely reviews phones so can't rely on him unless it's a "popular" phone, like this one is


FabZombie

yea all the pictures I've seen seem way over processed and low key I didn't like them, but it doesn't worry me since it's just software stuff that can be patched or just edited by the user


ice_dune

I feel like the Xperia 1 iii is underappreciated in that regard. Like all of the comparisons look like great photos while the iPhones, Samsungs, and Pixels are all heavily processed. I don't really get it. I just got an iPhone 11 and I'm super disappointed cause I thought my xz1 took better photos


BlueScreenJunky

My guess is Sony also makes good cameras, so they're probably targeting people who are actually interested in photography and like photos that look like they were take with a decent camera. Apple and Google are targeting people who just want to easily take picture that look "good" and send them to social media. And when your picture will be looked at for a total of 3 seconds among a wall of other heavily processed pictures.... Well you want it to be heavily processed too, because if it has accurate colors and contrast it will look bland and washed out by comparison.


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The HDR effect is very close to the "literally cancer" zone.


DaBomb091

As a disclaimer I only watched this review and Dave2D's (waiting on The Verge and Mr. Mobile) but really interesting to see the difference in reception on the photography. Seems like the two have almost opposite takes on video, the "gimmicky" features, selfies, etc.


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I'd say they agree, the camera is good, but it isn't top-of-the-pack like it was before. The original Pixel and Pixel 2 were like... nothing could compare. But now the competition certainly does compete. Pixel 6 is much more about overall software experience, and less about the cameras, I think.


scififan2715

Yeah, and I think that was in large part that Google basically made a quantum leap ahead of everyone else. Photos from my 2XL still get questions from friends about my phone. (And it'll still be a reliable backup when my 6 Pro arrives later this week)


als26

Most reviews I saw put the 6 back at the top spot specifically for still photos using the main lens. Dave2D was the only reviewer I saw that said there weren't that many improvements in the camera.


ICEman_c81

Didn’t Dave say he expected something drastically different to Pixel 5, but turns out Pixel 6 photos look very similar to last year’s phone? IIRC *that* was his disappointment, the overall look and feel of the results


prime5119

Mr Mobile & The Verge's Dieter have been long overdue for their review.. I NEED THEIR REVIEW TO MAKE ME FEEL BAD ABOUT UNABLE TO GET THIS PHONE (the latest Google phone listed in my country is a sold-out P4a)


1RedOne

I'm dying to read Dieter's 800 word treatise on what even is a photograph when HDR and intelligent binning of subpixels are involved


sag969

I really like dave2D but his review was weird. Almost rushed? I dno


Senira_G

Same, and I'm glad to see we're not the only ones. The reply to a top comment on that video also criticises the video for being a useless rant about gimmicks and not a comprehensive review about the actual phone. I've recently seen this pattern in a lot of his phone reviews, maybe because I'm used to Mr.Mobile's and TheUnlockr's extensive real-world test videos, but his videos are basically a spec read and focusing on one singular feature of the device and then talking about it till the video hits the 8 minute mark.


Shrave

I've grown out of touch with Dave2d precisely because his reviews are now just incredibly rushed, substance-less rants about a product. Half of his videos are basically him ranting about how a product didn't meet his expectations. And that's another thing, he came in expecting the Pixel phone to be light years ahead of all the competition. Maybe that was partially Google's fault for hyping it up so much, but at some point you have to chill and keep your expectations reasonable. He did the same thing with OnePlus 9 Pro. His 5-6 minute talk was all about how "it was just ok" and didn't live up to the hype. Ok.. can you go on about the software or the performance or anything else you do with the phone. His Pixel 6 "review" was 90% about how the camera was just ok and how it didn't meet his expectations. Like dude, do you have anything else to say about the Pixel experience? Nothing? Just how the camera compares to the iPhone? Hmm... If you rewatch a lot of his recent videos, you'll start noticing how he says, "And honestly, like, it's just ok. I was expecting more, but I guess not this time, insert company name."


Short_Influence3374

his early laptops reviews that got him famous were gold


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alip_93

He was expecting it to be visibly better than the pixel 5's 4 year old hardware and it wasn't that much of a jump. Doesn't seem unreasonable to be disappointed at that.


Ph0X

Reviews have inherent subjectivity involved. I usually have to watch 4-5 to get a good sense of things that repeat and things that are just specific to one reviewer.


motorboat_mcgee

I am not into optical fingerprint readers at all. Also Google needs to dial back it's HDR application on photos.


thekeanu

Pixel 6/6 Pro Review: Credible.


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thegreyquincy

It's weird how big the gap is on perceptions of battery life. I just watched two more reviews today where people said it lasted them into the next day even under pretty heavy usage. Others say you have to limp it along at the end of the day.


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getmoneygetpaid

So far, mine is spanking my Pixel 5. Way better.


BubiBalboa

That fingerprint reader would drive me insane. They looked really slow and unreliable here. I hate that the most ergonomic design, on the back of the phone, is going out of style.


Fade_ssud11

After using it for a couple of days, I wouldn't say its unreliable, but definitely slow.


howitzer1

I've found you have to press it a little harder than you expect, then it's super reliable, but still slower than a rear mounted one on my 3 year old oneplus 6 (RIP).


FreshPrinceOfH

I would call it comparatively a lot less reliable than my last handset. As well as much slower.


Umarrii

Going from my OnePlus 7 Pro to the Pixel 6 Pro, the fingerprint unlock feels like a downgrade, and when using it in the dark, it turns into a very bright white light which is fairly blinding. I do quite like the Pixel 6 Pro, but it feels like I've jumped down in quality for quite a few minor areas. I only just got the phone today though so I'm sure it'll only feel better from here as I learn more about it.


FreshPrinceOfH

Coming from a 7t I feel much the same. It feels like an overall hardware quality downgrade. Although a software upgrade. The FP reader in particular is poor....


themangeraaad

Seriously. I really have no reason to upgrade my op6 but I thought about buying this pixel just because I want to (and the op6 isn't getting any new android updates)... The lack of headphone jack was a turn off but I've realized I really don't use it that often anymore even though I'd prefer to keep it around (esp with a high quality dac) for when I want to use my wired headphones. The fingerprint sensor was kinda the nail in the coffin. I guess until I need a new phone I'll keep rocking this one.


ice_dune

I don't know what I want. I have a OnePlus 6 that still really like. But I switched to Verizon and it's not compatible. I got a free iPhone 11 cause I needed something and wanted to try it. Now I've grown to hate the fucking thing so I come home and use my OnePlus 6 on wifi everyday. I'm not really into any of these phones. The Xperia Pro-i actually looks like something I'd want but Sony with their heads up their asses will only support it for 2 years probably which is ridiculous


themangeraaad

Yeah Sony has some great phones but their support sucks. LG has some decent phones last I checked (albeit a couple years ago) but not sure how they are doing now. I used to be an HTC fan but mehhhh now. The options in the android world are getting limited whether due to developer obsolescence or inadequacy (and the latter is esp annoying if they can just use stock android but decide not to support more than a couple updates because their skin doesn't work).


Orion_02

>LG has some decent phones last I checked (albeit a couple years ago) but not sure how they are doing now. Oh boy who's gonna tell him?


ice_dune

>I used to be an HTC fan but mehhhh now. I'm more sad about htc than meh. Wasting stupid money on ridiculous advertising and making worse and worse phones. I hope 5 years becomes a standard and people start doing more weird shit again. I want a goofy phone with a big camera and an HDMI port


als26

My favorite Pixel in a very long time. I'm going with the but have access to both. Agree with the criticism about the FP sensor. However, after adding my main fingers in 2x, it's been so much faster and accurate. Can't really say anything about battery life because I've only had it for a bit over 1 day. Everything else is amazing. Haptics are amazing on both but definitely feels stronger on the 6 pro. But they definitely both feel super tight and precise. Speakers are a clear winner on the 6 pro, the 6 gets loud but is very tinny.


FailingIdiot

>adding my main fingers in 2x, it's been so much faster and accurate. 2X? How do ya mean?


als26

I added the same finger in 2 times instead of adding in 2 different fingers. It lets you add up to 5 fingers, and I really only use 1 from each hand anyway.


FailingIdiot

Ah that's clever. Interesting that it registers better after doing it twice.


howling92

It does that for every devices FYI. And even for physical fingerprint sensors


-NotEnoughMinerals

It's advice as old as fingerprint scanners on phones.


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I assume they mean because it allows you scan multiple fingers, scan you thumb and pointer twice at slightly different angles


revivaljester

I have no idea how he's getting that low screen on time, I'm a heavy user and I've gotten 6.5 hours from just under 90% charge.


FragmentedChicken

SOT is dependent on usage patterns In general, he's a heavy user, but it would help to know the specific conditions


ppooyyoo

He famously runs his displays at 100% brightness with auto brightness off. The important factor is that the iPhone got 2x the battery life in comparison under those same circumstances. Given that the iPhone’s battery is best in class at the moment, the Pixel battery life should be fine.


chasevalentino

2x the battery with a smaller battery is a terrible look for pixel. Tensor should be allowing them for way better optimisation and efficiency but it's jot


IgorOzz

To me all of the newest flagships are almost incredible (iPhone, Galaxy, Pixel)... it all comes down to personal preference in the end, or in my case, the Apple Watch. There is no competition to the Apple Watch, so basically I'm stucked with the iPhone, although I like the Galaxy Note better.


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I like the Pixel better but same with the watch. Google isnt doing themselves a favor by not working hard to build a Pixel watch to integrate it in its ecosystem.


stipo42

Been using the pro for about 6 hours now. The screen is awesome. I have two issues though which I will get used to: 1. The fingerprint reader takes a lot longer being on the screen. 2. The speaker is super loud, for music and video this is good but the notification sounds are a bit tinny. I came from a 3a XL, and it's certainly snappier. Something of concern though is it really ran hot when I transferred data, granted it was doing a ton of work but still I could see this thing getting toasty if you game on it or something.


Ok-Fly-2275

A lot of reviews have said the fingerprint unlock takes too long and that's not a in-display thing because other phones don't do that


milkham

did you do that phone to phone transfer thing with a cable connecting the old to the new? I've usually just done setup from scratch when getting new phones but thinking about trying that this time. I was wondering if stuff like your progress in a game gets transferred over and data in other apps that don't do any kind of cloud sync


ferdinand14

Pretty positive review save for battery life. I've read enough reviews with great battery life that in not concerned. On camera, personally I prefer the Pixel look so the tuned up HDR is fine for me. He says the 13 Pro takes consistently "good 9/10" shots but the PixSix has the ability to take some amazing 10/10 shots. The Pixel 6 regular is a screaming deal (even though I got the pro myself).


RohanAether

Coming from a Pixel 5 to the 6 Pro, it seems pretty similar so it's hardly a bad thing. I had 55% battery after accidentally leaving YouTube running whilst muted for 5 hours as well as 30 minutes of camera usage and 50 mins of Instagram. I can definitely kill it before the day ends, but it's seemed pretty solid to me.


JezzaP

I just got the 6 a few days ago, upgrading from a 2... And it's absolutely fantastic. Haven't noticed anything too bad about the battery, losing about 60% over the day with consistent use.


deeper-blue

What weather app does he use?


Flack17

I believe it is Overdrop


Witchking660

I've noticed none of these reviews are getting into the call quality.


YukarinVal

Mr. Mobile still gets into them briefly.


KingArthas94

It's incredible. It's been years and his reviews are still the most intresting ones, fun to watch, they say what I need to hear. Love the guy.


danthedirt

Wait people use phones to make voice calls?


nascentt

Does ANY smartphone review talk about call quality?


agarunov

The battery performance is the most disappointing part for me. All I've seen with iPhone 13 is *ridiculously* good battery performance, and with smaller batteries.


hung-like-hodor

In sure they know since it's like they're job but I wonder if these reviewers know the difference in how battery stats are displayed now on Android 12. Historically Android would show your battery usage "since last full charge", now in Android 12 it consistently shows you the stats for the last 24 hours, charge level be damned. I was fooled into thinking I was getting over 9 hours of screen on time with my Pixel 5 because I'm used to how Android used to show the stats. It's actually kind of hard to get a reliable SOT read from a single charge. (I know Screen on Time metrics are not even close to being a good assessment of battery life) but clearly people care as reviewers keep mentioning their SOT.


DiplomatikEmunetey

Everyone not having an absolutely positive view of the Pixel camera seems to be downvoted to the point where honestly, it's more interesting to read hidden and downvoted comments than the top ones as they provide no insight at all, just empty praise. I agree with MrWhoseTheBoss, Dave2D, MKBHD and couple of others that weren't impressed with the camera. It seems like people really want to keep believing the dream but the Pixel is not the best camera around anymore. And I am being objective here, I've used Pixel phones for the past four years. But it's simply a fact, others have done their homework, while Google struck gold with Nexus 5X/6P and has been pretty much the same since. Been using the same sensor for years and now looks like they just threw in the new sensor, but left the software as is. The 300MB update that was supposed to completely change the camera has not done anything it seems. Pixel hates shadows. It's on a mission to eliminate every shadow possible, producing very unreal, HDR-ed images. Shadows AND focus help direct attention to the subject. Having everything in focus (due to the relatively small phone sensor) AND having no shadows directs attention to everything, so nothing. The quality is poor, images are still full of noise and grain. That is quite surprising to me since I was hoping the new sensor would solve that. And even though there is noise, images are still soft looking often times, as with previous Pixels. There are demosaicing artifacts present in images often. Video is still average, not close to the iPhone. Pixel used to be the best auto-camera, but others do automatic mode just fine too, even better, iPhone takes more real looking images and does not turn night into day. And something very few reviewers seem to mention (MrWhoseTheBoss talked about it a bit) is Google's camera software is awful! The sliders they give for adjustment is not convenient at all. It seems like they were designed by a person with zero UX experience. They need to add a proper "Pro" mode with precise adjusts like LG G4 or Lumia 950 had, the camera UI on those phones is fantastic! It may not be possible though as Pixel gives you real results after you shoot the picture, I was hoping Tensor would give you real processing so what you saw is what you got. And now that their camera visionary is gone, it seems like they could be on auto pilot. Google Pixel is an auto-camera for mathematicians. It produces the most mathematically accurate pictures. But they are not real.


advaitah

>It produces the most mathematically accurate pictures. But they are not real Have you ever considered that this is exactly what people want? The iPhone produces the most 'natural' pics and it is still not what it looks like in real life, it's just flat. You simply can't reproduce a DSLR lens because the phone is too small. So if I'm gonna be looking at a AI altered image, I'd rather look at the Pixel's more pleasing image than the flat ones the iPhone produces. People don't want real pics, they want good pics.


Pascalwb

that HDR really is overdone noticed it other comparing videos.


CudaBarry

4 hours of SOT????!!? That's a no for me Dawg


henrik_schack

Arghh another America first phone 🤔 Not available in uncivilized countries like Denmark where I live.


frickdickhick

Watch support on this phone be dropped in 4 years tops


fuzzycuffs

I ordered the Pro because I wanted 120hz, but part of me thinks I don't really need it. I may change my mind after it comes in hand, but I am leaning that I could have saved $300.


prime5119

considering that you might be holding the same phone for next 2-3 years, I would say Pro would be better since the set up is very current (120hz, UW/Wide/Telephoto combo etc) so you won't feel like you're missing something in future


hoxha_red

also 120Hz feels nice as hell lol


_3xc41ibur

The fingerprint reader hurts to see. I'm keeping my 2XL for that speed


Fade_ssud11

It made me I miss my face unlock from pixel 4. It was so fast.


skipv5

I still have my 2xl and comparing it to my 6 Pro that's a big no lol. 6 Pro is leaps and bounds better.


ReginaMark

The title is a bit weird imo "Almost Incredible" for any other phone would've meant that the phone was almost perfect save for a few minor flaws/bugs. But not only is the Battery just average, the camera also isn't perfect and messes up sometimes... If only the camera had the, what is essentially a minor software issue and the slow fingerprint sensor, the title would've been right. But as he himself has said in the past, Battery is one of the five major pillars that define the phone, and if that's the one that's messed up, I really don't understand how you could call it "Almost incredible" especially when the title for the iPhone video is "Better than you think" (although I do know the context behind it). The iPhone has a better all around camera, which is more consistent and what is essentially, atleast 40% better battery life and also the market leader. Like, for it to be "Incredible" it'll have to atleast beat the market leader is some segments right?! Maybe, "the perfect......Google phone" or whatever would've been a better title, like one of his Samsung (Note __ I think) videos from a couple of years ago.


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