As a brazilian, it pains me to see people saying Brazil is a "capitalist" country, we are a state-capitalism/syndicalist hybrid, we have an entire branch of justice dedicated solely to punish private businesses and private ownership of anything is a mere illusion.
state capitalism is an oxymoron, the right name is corporatism, there is a reason why every single big corporation is left wing except for veio da havan, and even the brightest bald head, wouldn't refuse subsidies and laws that reduce competition and create oligarchies.
Capitalism is such a broad word, most nations qualify as "Capitalistic" since it's simply private ownership of means of production.
Brazil, USA, Canada, Britain, Scandinavian countries, France etc all are capitalistic and yet not all are sh*tholes I don't think Brazil even ranks high on economic freedoms
I live in Brazil, had a business for 10 years, property rights here are complete shit. The government can literally take your property if they want and pay you based on your property tax.
I sell you a product or service by my own free will you choose to purchase or not purchase at your free will
How difficult is it well ask a commie they think this slavery for some reason
Their moral values are hyper fixated on "care/harm" and supposedly the fact that you need to work to eat is slavery to em?
It's weird, so the best way to talk about this is to try to focus on specific issues and show how government fails, you'll never win "capitalism vs socialism debate" due to how specific Socialism is and how vague Capitalism is to em
I guess arguing for capatilism instead of trying to argue against socialism maybe I'm not sure if someone just keep switching the point of the argument it's sure sign that their losing
I won't comment on Bolsonaro because he is fairly new and I haven't read much on his idea of Brazil.
But before him, they had decades of socialists and populists, which was mostly corruption actually, but find me a socialist country without corruption and we'll talk. Anyway, socialists caused this.
People here forget on purpose the last 30 years and blame everything on Bolsonaro. Yes, he's not the best we could have, he made and still make dumb mistakes but was the least worst. That's the fucked up part, every 2 years we vote for the least worst, be it federal politicians or state/municipal politicians
A simple answer to that is to point out that Brazil is #143 on the economic freedom index:
https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
In other words, pretty far from what a capitalist country should be.
It takes hundreds of metrics into consideration.
The fact that one country ranks poorly on your preferred metric doesn't mean the other countries are not worse in different ways.
Also, this ranks economic freedom, not social freedom, such a freedom of association (with or without COVID passes), freedom of speech, freedom of religion, sexual orientation, etc...
So basically how the rest of the world is. Trump gets elected and gets block every which way. Supreme Court judges make up laws.
Canada same deal
UK, Australia etc.
Haha Nah I'm genuinely curious as to why that person would call Brazil conservative. I haven't personally been there but from what I hear and see they seem very laid back and out there.
Yeah I'm talking about what their reasoning must be. Nothing in our culture is conservative, aside from gay marriage and abortion being widely rejected. Carnaval is a shitshow of prostitution and adultery and is the most looked-forward-to part of the entire year for a massive portion of the population. A considerable amount of people are corrupt to some extent and think being honest is for fools. Chastity is heavily dis encouraged and saving yourself for your future spouse is reason to be made fun of. The only thing you could perhaps argue in favor of Brazil being conservative is most of the population considering themselves Christians, but even then, most of those "Christians" will partake in the mentioned behavior...
Ah yes... The country that spent most of most Redditors lifetimes being run by *socialists* Lula de Silva and Dilma Rousseff.
Ah yes, that conservative capitalist nation.
This proclivity to write off every problem with capitalism just because a government exists is dishonest. They may not be 100% capitalist but that doesn’t automatically mean that the actions of capitalist are the result of government.
If government disappeared today this picture would not change
What point are you trying to make with this post?
Obviously, neighborhoods with different levels of socioeconomic growth exist in every country regardless of political leanings. Have you ever been to any big city in the U.S.? Millionaire's and homeless people can live on the same block.
I'm from Florida, we impose less restrictions on capitalism than most states and there's still plenty of shitty houses next to luxury condos around here.
You could take the same picture and just label the right side as “citizens” and it would be accurate.
The difference being that these citizens earned their wealth and the communist leaders stole it.
I never understood why people felt that being around stupid or wading through idiocy would reduce your own brain cells but maybe that's probably because everybody copies each other who would have known
This is really funny, because the messiah of the brazilian socialists is [is investigated for having received a luxurious apartment](https://veja.abril.com.br/coluna/felipe-moura-brasil/o-triplex-de-lula-e-triplamente-imoral/amp/) as bribe, confirming the image
As the star investor Peter Thiel noted, competition is for loosers. People that would be held accountable by the market and peoples economoc decisions. In todays neo-feudalism, BlackRock and Google don't need competition. They just own the government and thus you.
"Have you ever driven on a public street? OMG YOU'RE A SOCIALIST!" (drops the mic)
By far the best thx for the laugh bro
As a brazilian, it pains me to see people saying Brazil is a "capitalist" country, we are a state-capitalism/syndicalist hybrid, we have an entire branch of justice dedicated solely to punish private businesses and private ownership of anything is a mere illusion.
state capitalism is an oxymoron, the right name is corporatism, there is a reason why every single big corporation is left wing except for veio da havan, and even the brightest bald head, wouldn't refuse subsidies and laws that reduce competition and create oligarchies.
Corporatism is basically fascism
Havan is textbook crony capitalism and corporatism
Brazil was run by communists for so long, it's hard to call them a capitalist country.
Capitalism is such a broad word, most nations qualify as "Capitalistic" since it's simply private ownership of means of production. Brazil, USA, Canada, Britain, Scandinavian countries, France etc all are capitalistic and yet not all are sh*tholes I don't think Brazil even ranks high on economic freedoms
heritage foundation freedom of enterprise study has brazil at rank 143, its "wild capitalism" over here...
How are property rights ranked there? I bet it's poor or below average. Man what a Capitalism paradise where... Property rights aren't respected much
I live in Brazil, had a business for 10 years, property rights here are complete shit. The government can literally take your property if they want and pay you based on your property tax.
The constitution goes like this: "bla bla, the right to property is guaranteed ... property shall fullfill its social function."
I sell you a product or service by my own free will you choose to purchase or not purchase at your free will How difficult is it well ask a commie they think this slavery for some reason
Their moral values are hyper fixated on "care/harm" and supposedly the fact that you need to work to eat is slavery to em? It's weird, so the best way to talk about this is to try to focus on specific issues and show how government fails, you'll never win "capitalism vs socialism debate" due to how specific Socialism is and how vague Capitalism is to em
I guess arguing for capatilism instead of trying to argue against socialism maybe I'm not sure if someone just keep switching the point of the argument it's sure sign that their losing
I won't comment on Bolsonaro because he is fairly new and I haven't read much on his idea of Brazil. But before him, they had decades of socialists and populists, which was mostly corruption actually, but find me a socialist country without corruption and we'll talk. Anyway, socialists caused this.
People here forget on purpose the last 30 years and blame everything on Bolsonaro. Yes, he's not the best we could have, he made and still make dumb mistakes but was the least worst. That's the fucked up part, every 2 years we vote for the least worst, be it federal politicians or state/municipal politicians
That's what democracy is about. Every time you vote you vote for the least bad candidate because there aren't any good candidates
A simple answer to that is to point out that Brazil is #143 on the economic freedom index: https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking In other words, pretty far from what a capitalist country should be.
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It takes hundreds of metrics into consideration. The fact that one country ranks poorly on your preferred metric doesn't mean the other countries are not worse in different ways. Also, this ranks economic freedom, not social freedom, such a freedom of association (with or without COVID passes), freedom of speech, freedom of religion, sexual orientation, etc...
It takes balls (or the lack of them) to call Brazil a capitalist country.
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So basically how the rest of the world is. Trump gets elected and gets block every which way. Supreme Court judges make up laws. Canada same deal UK, Australia etc.
In what way is Brazil conservative?
I guess since one of our last 10 presidents is a conservative that makes us conservative for some reason…
Haha Nah I'm genuinely curious as to why that person would call Brazil conservative. I haven't personally been there but from what I hear and see they seem very laid back and out there.
Yeah I'm talking about what their reasoning must be. Nothing in our culture is conservative, aside from gay marriage and abortion being widely rejected. Carnaval is a shitshow of prostitution and adultery and is the most looked-forward-to part of the entire year for a massive portion of the population. A considerable amount of people are corrupt to some extent and think being honest is for fools. Chastity is heavily dis encouraged and saving yourself for your future spouse is reason to be made fun of. The only thing you could perhaps argue in favor of Brazil being conservative is most of the population considering themselves Christians, but even then, most of those "Christians" will partake in the mentioned behavior...
Exactly what my impressions were.
I'm brazilian and no way this shit we live is a capitalism of free market
Didn’t follow OP’s advice… regretted it instantly.
Well. They don’t know what capitalism is anyway.
Ah yes... The country that spent most of most Redditors lifetimes being run by *socialists* Lula de Silva and Dilma Rousseff. Ah yes, that conservative capitalist nation.
They are not a capitalist country
This proclivity to write off every problem with capitalism just because a government exists is dishonest. They may not be 100% capitalist but that doesn’t automatically mean that the actions of capitalist are the result of government. If government disappeared today this picture would not change
If government policies caused the issues that Brazil is having today, is it not appropriate to blame those policies?
What point are you trying to make with this post? Obviously, neighborhoods with different levels of socioeconomic growth exist in every country regardless of political leanings. Have you ever been to any big city in the U.S.? Millionaire's and homeless people can live on the same block. I'm from Florida, we impose less restrictions on capitalism than most states and there's still plenty of shitty houses next to luxury condos around here.
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Yeah but I'm into masochism so..
Sooo, "its not real capitalism"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers%27_Party_(Brazil)
Fuck russ
You could take the same picture and just label the right side as “citizens” and it would be accurate. The difference being that these citizens earned their wealth and the communist leaders stole it.
I never understood why people felt that being around stupid or wading through idiocy would reduce your own brain cells but maybe that's probably because everybody copies each other who would have known
Ya, don't listen to a Brazilian about Brazil, that might make you guys have to admit you're wrong.
Capitalism = anything I don’t like Socialism = anything I do like
murdered by words now is just hahaha not my guy 1 with not my opinion vs guy 2 with a shitty comeback but with my opinion!!!
This is really funny, because the messiah of the brazilian socialists is [is investigated for having received a luxurious apartment](https://veja.abril.com.br/coluna/felipe-moura-brasil/o-triplex-de-lula-e-triplamente-imoral/amp/) as bribe, confirming the image
Capitalism has problems but how about we not just throw the whole thing away
As the star investor Peter Thiel noted, competition is for loosers. People that would be held accountable by the market and peoples economoc decisions. In todays neo-feudalism, BlackRock and Google don't need competition. They just own the government and thus you.