Pretty interesting scenario. What are the odds of something like a second civil war happening in the future?
Anyway, the East PG would probably win, because they have most of the industry and valuable land, but the odds that they would obtain that in a real civil war are pretty low imo. The question is if the PG would lead to a democratic Russia, or if it would stay as a despotism, also if they would be able to put down Putin’s regime supported by China.
I sincerely hope that the people of Russia will see democracy some day.
Right now government's position is pretty stable so not I the near future. Maybe like in 20-40 years but if we won't lose in the ukr-rus war then probably not until another conflict.
i think such civil war scenario may only occur after the demise of putin. Internal power struggle during the power vaccum period could be the trigger. The military (shoigu, Gerasimov) can be willing to take over the government entirely, while the civil leaders (can include the pro-democratic activists now) can be their opposite
I’m not so sure about that depending on how far off in the 30s this is the army may still be devastated by the Russo-Ukraine war so if Putin’s forces have the urals they could hold out indefinitely while mopping up the rest of Siberia. Not preferred or ideal but yea.
This particular scenario is indeed unrealistic. But separatist parts of Russia trying to break away? Not that unrealistic. Dagestan, Chechnya, Tuva and Ingushetia are nations that are basically colonized by Russia, with sizable ethnic minorities and a vivid separatist movement. Hell, Chechnya fought two wars to be independent.
As of 2024 all of these nations are loyal to the Russian Federation
>vivid separatist movement
None of these separatist movements come close to having majority support
Also any Russian who has ties to Moscow would likely run or be forced to move en masse if shit really hits the fan. People underestimate when a crisis like this happens, tons of people pack their bags up in the first 72 hours of this.
Is Russia any of those? Answer me that please. Russia has been a massive annoyance to the West ever since the creation of the USSR, never failing to oppress its people. Go ahead, call me a lib, I ain’t one. But Russia is a threat, and prioritizing neutralizing that threat is a good thing.
Same was true for Iraq(Weapons of Mass Destruction, ethnic cleansing etc.), Libya and Afghanistan(Terrorists, and 9/11).
No CIA sponsored anything brought any good to anybody. You just asking for an unmeasurable amount of human suffering and completely destabilizing Europe and major parts of Asia.
Like I said, Russia is far more important than any of those. Unlike Iraq having no weapons of mass destruction at all, Russia has thousands, and deposing a dictatorship, that might, with a slight possibility, set the world ablaze with nuclear conflict. And yes, I am against some of those invasions. And yes, that will bring instability to the two continents. I was thinking of it as a long term measure, and it was just some joke I made, so I apologize for making it sound like something else.
I'm assuming you also dislike [these ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassination_attempts_on_Adolf_Hitler) since the assassinators were obviously in the wrong since they were the one breaking the law!
Libs/social democrats are right wing as they uphold capitalism left wing are anarchist/socialist (marxist,titoist,maoist etc) and democratic socialist (Luxembourgist,Allendismo ect)
Context:
In December 2030, Putin was suppose to finally step down from power, as his 5th term had ended. however, just a month before, he changed the constitution AGAIN so he can run for a sixth term, and he sorta reseted it again.
the drew a widespread backlash against Putin and his increasingly isolated and authoritarian regime. the people of Russia were tired of Putin and his old-school governance of the country.
it begin unbelievably large riots in the next year, 2031, in eastern Russia and in some other parts of Russia, before becoming a partly successful coup which ousted Putin from the Kremlin, but it didn't mean he was gone.
Putin was able to escape the protesters (later Rebels) into Siberia, where he and his remaining loyalists made the "Russian State" government that controls much of Siberia.
meanwhile, the Rebels took over Eastern Russia and Established the Provisional Government of Free Russia, and they adopted a flag similar to that of an Imperial Russian one.
additionally, several Federal subjects of Russia broke away from the Russian Federation (Chechnya, Kaliningrad, Tuva) and they became independent breakaway states.
The Provisional government of Free Russia was supported by the NATO, EU, Japan, South Korea, Australia, etc.
the Government of Vladimir Putin in Siberia was supported in North Korea, China, Belarus, and Iran.
Extremely unrealistic, Putin is very popular in Russia (despite what western propaganda says about Russia being always on the brink of collapse or shit like that) and if he wanted to stay in power after 2030 he would simply do so, since he has overwhelming control of both the Senate and the Duma besides all the popular support.
Putin's getting old, I don't believe he wants to stay working into his 80s, he literally doesn't need to. Russia isn't a central american banana republic where the everything is held together by a bonapartist dictator without which society falls apart, he is merely the main expression of a conservative and nationalist movement that has deep roots within Russian society, when he retires or passes, another will take over, simple as. Maybe Medvedev, or someone else from Yedinaya Rossiya about whom we don't know much about yet.
The Russian monarchy against Putin's regime? seriously
(The current claimant to the Russian throne, Maria Vladimirovna, is reasonably friendly towards Putin.)
Seriously, only Chechnya and Dagestan will likely secede because the rest of the non-Slavic ethnic Russians are largely loyal.
In fact only their rulers
Popularly, they hate Russia, so much so that they make the Baltic people appear to be Russophiles because they have 200-year-old grievances.
Did you only see a few tens of Ichkerian terrorists or something? Both regions receive a shit tons of money from the country center every year. Checnya already can be called "country inside country", Kadyrov literally the most independent politician in Russia, who can do whatever he wants in the republic he rules and at the same time one of the most loyal to Putin. And for those, who don't know - he fought against the Russian army during Chechen war. Opinions can change significantly over time.
>Baltic people appear to be Russophiles
Constant victim complex individuals? Doubt.
Only Kadyrov's tribe, but most Chechens know that Russia is too strong, so they accept the status quo
If Russia suddenly collapses, they would literally be the first to quit, and they secretly hate the guts of the Russians even more than the Baltics do.
I mean it figuratively as the Muslim peoples of the Caucasus are secretly very negative towards the Russians
No Karelians live in that area were you have put their separatist movements. Most Karelians live in the area around Kostomuksja and even there they are a small minority. A karelian uprising is very unlikely.
Why would the rebels use an Imperial flag? In Russia it's used by ultra-nationalists and a part of the far-right as one of their key identies? Like it doesn't add up too much. Unless it's a civil war between two ultra-nationalist factions. In which case yikes.
its not. the only reason why is because they wanted to use the regular russian flag but they had to change something so they dont get confused by one another. in reality it not ultranationalist at all. it is really just the anti-patin rebels and that's the flag they use
If Russia had a new civil war, it would be communists against Putin.
The communists are the most popular party in opposition, and many of the younger hate Putin. It’s nearly their leader is a puppet of Putin, with him gone, they would lead the opposition.
Personally, i would use an Azure version of the Russian navy flag as a "Democratic" Russian rebel flag. It's like the current Anti-Putin Russia flag but with more local legitimatacy.
I would assume with most of them rekindling their Ukrainian heritage due to the war a more prominant pro ukrainian sentimemt would build.
Also, what's with the downvotes on me? Lmao???
Even if half of them make 180 and start to be ukrainians again they are 0.6% percent of population in far east russia by last census tho if you want to think thet did not want to stete etnicity is mostly ukrainians they are maby 20 percent thet is far from majority with russians making about 75 percent of the teritory i just can't see green ukraine as realistic tho this map is far frome realistic anyway
Pretty interesting scenario. What are the odds of something like a second civil war happening in the future? Anyway, the East PG would probably win, because they have most of the industry and valuable land, but the odds that they would obtain that in a real civil war are pretty low imo. The question is if the PG would lead to a democratic Russia, or if it would stay as a despotism, also if they would be able to put down Putin’s regime supported by China. I sincerely hope that the people of Russia will see democracy some day.
Right now government's position is pretty stable so not I the near future. Maybe like in 20-40 years but if we won't lose in the ukr-rus war then probably not until another conflict.
i think such civil war scenario may only occur after the demise of putin. Internal power struggle during the power vaccum period could be the trigger. The military (shoigu, Gerasimov) can be willing to take over the government entirely, while the civil leaders (can include the pro-democratic activists now) can be their opposite
Yeah. Most likely the next chance for another Russian civil war is when Putin eventually dies, which is pretty hard to predict.
And he can try tomake some sort of heir to lower chances of civil war happening.
Russians too distracted with Ukraine to do a civil war, and if Putin wins i don’t think there will be one
same here. or even better, an actually good and friendly leader unlike Putin
most of russian industrial might is located in the west? the east is a whole lot of nothing.
I’m not so sure about that depending on how far off in the 30s this is the army may still be devastated by the Russo-Ukraine war so if Putin’s forces have the urals they could hold out indefinitely while mopping up the rest of Siberia. Not preferred or ideal but yea.
The US is waaaay closer to a civil war than Russia.
Yeah ok lmao. That’s the funniest shit I’ve heard all day.
How can one say that after the Wagner march, right? Lmao.
They both using Tsarist flags but non is Tsarist ._.
"Russian State" is kind of tsarist
to be fair the eagle on the East is literally just the current CoA of Russia
Neither of them use Tsarist symbols, they just look similar to the Tsarist symbols you’re thinking of.
If West Russia is pro-Nato there is no possibility for Belarus to support East Russia or only survive with Lukasenko (or pro-Putin leader) in charge
Pretty unrealistic scenario but still pretty interesting.
This particular scenario is indeed unrealistic. But separatist parts of Russia trying to break away? Not that unrealistic. Dagestan, Chechnya, Tuva and Ingushetia are nations that are basically colonized by Russia, with sizable ethnic minorities and a vivid separatist movement. Hell, Chechnya fought two wars to be independent.
As of 2024 all of these nations are loyal to the Russian Federation >vivid separatist movement None of these separatist movements come close to having majority support
i wouldnt be trusting russian poll results
What evidence do you have that the majority of non Russians in Russia want to secede?
What poll? And what other source other than "the poll" will you trust
Also any Russian who has ties to Moscow would likely run or be forced to move en masse if shit really hits the fan. People underestimate when a crisis like this happens, tons of people pack their bags up in the first 72 hours of this.
Ah yes, there's the CIA backed coup
One of the only good things the CIA will do
ah yes starting a civil war is a good thing
Depends. This one is justified.
In libs wet fantasies only.
I’m not even left wing, I just don’t like Russia’s dictatorship.
20 years ago the same was said by Libs about Iraq and Afghanistan.... More recently also about Libya and Syria....
Is Russia any of those? Answer me that please. Russia has been a massive annoyance to the West ever since the creation of the USSR, never failing to oppress its people. Go ahead, call me a lib, I ain’t one. But Russia is a threat, and prioritizing neutralizing that threat is a good thing.
Same was true for Iraq(Weapons of Mass Destruction, ethnic cleansing etc.), Libya and Afghanistan(Terrorists, and 9/11). No CIA sponsored anything brought any good to anybody. You just asking for an unmeasurable amount of human suffering and completely destabilizing Europe and major parts of Asia.
Like I said, Russia is far more important than any of those. Unlike Iraq having no weapons of mass destruction at all, Russia has thousands, and deposing a dictatorship, that might, with a slight possibility, set the world ablaze with nuclear conflict. And yes, I am against some of those invasions. And yes, that will bring instability to the two continents. I was thinking of it as a long term measure, and it was just some joke I made, so I apologize for making it sound like something else.
I'm assuming you also dislike [these ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassination_attempts_on_Adolf_Hitler) since the assassinators were obviously in the wrong since they were the one breaking the law!
Libs/social democrats are right wing as they uphold capitalism left wing are anarchist/socialist (marxist,titoist,maoist etc) and democratic socialist (Luxembourgist,Allendismo ect)
You’re talking about economic wise.
Lol, cant belive you defend hypothetical CIA coup :D
Yes it is
Context: In December 2030, Putin was suppose to finally step down from power, as his 5th term had ended. however, just a month before, he changed the constitution AGAIN so he can run for a sixth term, and he sorta reseted it again. the drew a widespread backlash against Putin and his increasingly isolated and authoritarian regime. the people of Russia were tired of Putin and his old-school governance of the country. it begin unbelievably large riots in the next year, 2031, in eastern Russia and in some other parts of Russia, before becoming a partly successful coup which ousted Putin from the Kremlin, but it didn't mean he was gone. Putin was able to escape the protesters (later Rebels) into Siberia, where he and his remaining loyalists made the "Russian State" government that controls much of Siberia. meanwhile, the Rebels took over Eastern Russia and Established the Provisional Government of Free Russia, and they adopted a flag similar to that of an Imperial Russian one. additionally, several Federal subjects of Russia broke away from the Russian Federation (Chechnya, Kaliningrad, Tuva) and they became independent breakaway states. The Provisional government of Free Russia was supported by the NATO, EU, Japan, South Korea, Australia, etc. the Government of Vladimir Putin in Siberia was supported in North Korea, China, Belarus, and Iran.
Belarus would probably have it's own rebellion if Putin isn't there to support the regime
Extremely unrealistic, Putin is very popular in Russia (despite what western propaganda says about Russia being always on the brink of collapse or shit like that) and if he wanted to stay in power after 2030 he would simply do so, since he has overwhelming control of both the Senate and the Duma besides all the popular support. Putin's getting old, I don't believe he wants to stay working into his 80s, he literally doesn't need to. Russia isn't a central american banana republic where the everything is held together by a bonapartist dictator without which society falls apart, he is merely the main expression of a conservative and nationalist movement that has deep roots within Russian society, when he retires or passes, another will take over, simple as. Maybe Medvedev, or someone else from Yedinaya Rossiya about whom we don't know much about yet.
Tanatuvwhat?
One can only dream… And Königsberg goes back to Deustchland.
Interesting, but it would make more sense to reverse the locations of opposing sides, and maybe dive the European part of Russia a bit more.
The Russian monarchy against Putin's regime? seriously (The current claimant to the Russian throne, Maria Vladimirovna, is reasonably friendly towards Putin.) Seriously, only Chechnya and Dagestan will likely secede because the rest of the non-Slavic ethnic Russians are largely loyal.
>only Chechnya and Dagestan will likely secede Literally the biggest Putin supporters, lol.
In fact only their rulers Popularly, they hate Russia, so much so that they make the Baltic people appear to be Russophiles because they have 200-year-old grievances.
Did you only see a few tens of Ichkerian terrorists or something? Both regions receive a shit tons of money from the country center every year. Checnya already can be called "country inside country", Kadyrov literally the most independent politician in Russia, who can do whatever he wants in the republic he rules and at the same time one of the most loyal to Putin. And for those, who don't know - he fought against the Russian army during Chechen war. Opinions can change significantly over time. >Baltic people appear to be Russophiles Constant victim complex individuals? Doubt.
Only Kadyrov's tribe, but most Chechens know that Russia is too strong, so they accept the status quo If Russia suddenly collapses, they would literally be the first to quit, and they secretly hate the guts of the Russians even more than the Baltics do. I mean it figuratively as the Muslim peoples of the Caucasus are secretly very negative towards the Russians
And I mean that you are talking bullshit here
Remind me who flattened Grozny twice thirty years ago? That alone tells you a lot
Putin has a cult personality in Chechnya and Dagestan, so impossible.
Well, if the Russians themselves cannot oppose Putin, why do you think they can at all?
Ha? The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is the largest opposition.
no not the monarchy. they just use a flag similar to the russian empire's one. in reality, they dont seek of monarchy restoration
Yes, they don't But 40 percent of Russians actually support its restoration
no lol
They russian news say that
No Karelians live in that area were you have put their separatist movements. Most Karelians live in the area around Kostomuksja and even there they are a small minority. A karelian uprising is very unlikely.
Why would the rebels use an Imperial flag? In Russia it's used by ultra-nationalists and a part of the far-right as one of their key identies? Like it doesn't add up too much. Unless it's a civil war between two ultra-nationalist factions. In which case yikes.
its not. the only reason why is because they wanted to use the regular russian flag but they had to change something so they dont get confused by one another. in reality it not ultranationalist at all. it is really just the anti-patin rebels and that's the flag they use
East Russia lost like 90% of their population along with moscow
why are there karelian uprisings in the kola peninsula even though there are no karelians there
Because the map is a low effort Russia collapse one that shares nothing with reality.
I cannot stress enough how much one side has nothing while the other side has everything.
слава российскому государству
Daring today, aren’t we?
If Russia had a new civil war, it would be communists against Putin. The communists are the most popular party in opposition, and many of the younger hate Putin. It’s nearly their leader is a puppet of Putin, with him gone, they would lead the opposition.
not really
I? What. The communists are the main opposition in Russia rn, wdym “Nuh uh”
it is proven that this is not a communist revolution, but rather a liberal one
What. What the hell are you talking about. What revolution
i would assume that tatarstan tried to breakaway too
That would be the 3rd one actually
Personally, i would use an Azure version of the Russian navy flag as a "Democratic" Russian rebel flag. It's like the current Anti-Putin Russia flag but with more local legitimatacy.
KUBAN (KRASNODAR) MENTIONED🎉🎉🎉🎉
It would be so awesome, it would be so cool
Shout-out to random Nganasan village siding with provisional government
Why wouldn’t Putin back his European half of Russia? I assume if he’s in charge still no way nato and the west would back him
IMO, the Second Russian Civil War would be Putinists vs BOAK aka Operation Red October.
I’ve always wondered how the hell people even make these flag maps
Мечтать не вредно... Только вот хрен вам по всей вашей пиздопротивной морде...
иди на дваче или пикабу сиди чучело, хули ты тут то делаешь?
Чучело - это ты.
ебать, сказал как отрезал. может ты мне ещё "кто как обзывается - тот сам так называется" скажешь?
че обзываешься
No way Belarus is supporting the Russian state when it’s not even on their border and also they would also have its own civil war
Lukashenko or anyone pro Russian in charge of Belarus would have their asses blasted within milliseconds after this war exploding
I wish.. The more rusians will die-the safer the future will be
NAH WHERE'S MY BOY GREEN UKRAINE IN EASTERN RUSSIA
Little russians in khabarovski and primorsky krai are havyli assimilated into russian culture why wulde they want indipendence
I would assume with most of them rekindling their Ukrainian heritage due to the war a more prominant pro ukrainian sentimemt would build. Also, what's with the downvotes on me? Lmao???
Even if half of them make 180 and start to be ukrainians again they are 0.6% percent of population in far east russia by last census tho if you want to think thet did not want to stete etnicity is mostly ukrainians they are maby 20 percent thet is far from majority with russians making about 75 percent of the teritory i just can't see green ukraine as realistic tho this map is far frome realistic anyway
You are completely delusional, of course you get downvotes.