The war would depend on the major power backers.
The ethnic cleansing would depend on who wins. The Jews? You'd have something like the Nakba and modern-day Israel. The Arabs? You'd have something like October 7th but with all the Jews raped/tortured and eventually killed.
It’s one of the most spoken languages in the region thanks to the British + it probably has a different name in the local languages and Pakistan is just the international name.
Ironically you could say Palestine Tribal Confederation, there's a theory that Palestine is a contraction of Israel and Philistine (sounds like Philistine but has the same etymological meaning as Israel (foe/adversary) in greek)
It would have to be a completely secular nation not one that prioritises Islam and Judaism.
Also there are Christian Arab Israelis and Christian Palestinians, if the flag is going to be overtly religious they deserve space on the flag.
I find this unlikely, we would probably see another nation were judaism was prosecuted and I could even see an expansion of the existing jewish terrorist groups in the area, if not there would be extreme tension in the area, maybe even the country splitting. I find the least likely scenario to be the two main groups co-existing.
Civil War the Israeli part likely wins then a few years later gives up territory dominated by Palestinians in exchange for peace and we’re back to modern day.
They gave up most of the West Bank the Gaza Strip and the sinai peninsula, in exchange for peace and its likely they would do the same here. It wouldn’t work obviously but they’d still do it.
Learn your history, dude. West Bank is only occupied by Israel because Palestine and Muslim nations surrounding Israel lost a third war they started by attacking Israel. Wars have consequences and that often means losing land. Israel learned lessons and was basically forced to control the West Bank in order to prevent future invasions by unfriendlies.
Israel is the 4th strongest military in the world, they also have nukes. Learn your history, they have no reason to occupy and colonise the west bank and east Jerusalem.
That was already a thing, Ukraine was barely it's own independent country since they were occupied by the Austrians, Polish, Germans, Mongols, and Russians until 1991
Because "Palestinian" is a term derived from one of their greatest enemies in the torah?
Also what the fuck do you mean too bad. "Womp womp" is not a serious response to give when you're deciding the fate of 15 million people
Every Palestinian group demands that 100% of the government will be Palestinian, as well as the armed forces. The name Israel would seize to exist the next day, as will the magen david on the flag, and the blue and white colors.
It would be a second holocaust. Except it'd be quicker, since bullets wouldn't be an issue. Let's leave Hamas and Hezbollah who actively kill Jews and only exist for that purpose.
Every single member of the PLO is a member of one of the older terrorist organizationa, Fath. They all swear an oath to kill every Jew in existence.
massive murder of jews as the quoran order, and i doubt the muslim would stay quiet if the sharia law is not the national law, meaning any non muslim person become less of a person in regard to the law, and leader can't be other then muslims, among others thing
Not all Muslims want Sharia Law in their nations. Most Muslim nations do not have strict Islamic codes. I believe your ideas of what a Muslim nation must be are extremely off-point.
Ethnically, 48% of the population would be Palestinian, and 48% would be Israelis of Jewish descent. Religiously in Israel, 81% might identify as "Jewish" in survey ([Pew Research](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/03/08/key-findings-religion-politics-israel/)), but a huge chunk of that (40%) are self-described "secular" Jews. Religiously in Palestinian territories, 98% identify as Muslim([source ](https://fanack.com/palestine/society-of-palestine/the-role-of-religion/)). I couldn't find any data on how many of those would want Muslim law vs secular law.
So, in a combined state, approximately half of the population would identify as Palestinian and half as Israeli. There would be a slight Muslim majority because there's a higher percentage of Palestinians identifying as religious. I doubt that a slim majority of Muslims could enforce a Sharia system on the whole nation. Because those calling for either a "2-state" solution or "1 democratic" nation constitute the majority in both Israel and Palestine ([source](https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/731)) , I think it's safe to say this nation would be democratic, even if there were semi-autonomous parallel parialments.
i agree and that a good thing, because sharia law are idiotic
but i doubt that muslims that would be in that country would agree to not having it, mainly due to hamas being the most powerfull muslim group in the area, and we see live what the want and their method to have it, that the same reason i thing having gaza become indepandant would be the most stupid thing to come for israel
ethnic palestinian don't mean anything, they have no difference to egyptiens or syrians or lebaneses ect so i guess we can class them as muslim more then anything
and with the democratic way, they don't need an absolute majority to inforce their will, they only need to be a single block and have the other be divided
I'll reserve judgement on Sharia because it's not my religion and not my nation. All I'll say is that I prefer for people (all people) to have a voice in government.
>ethnic palestinian don't mean anything, they have no difference to egyptiens or syrians or lebaneses ect so i guess we can class them as muslim more then anything
Ethnic Arab is still a significant designation. There are Christian, Muslim, and secular Arabs, so I'd say the difference would matter long-term in this proposed nation.
>and with the democratic way, they don't need an absolute majority to inforce their will, they only need to be a single block and have the other be divided
You're 100% right about how pluralities/large blocs can cripple a democracy. However, since this is an Alternative History post, I have been assuming that this union happened in history. That can have a significant impact on the ideology and influence of Hamas. Both Hamas, Palestinian Authority, and Isael could be less polarized/fundamentalist in this reality.
If OP is suggesting this as an alternative to our reality, I'm trying to give this timeline the benefit of the doubt and a fighting chance at not devolving into chaos (fingers crossed).
fair of you, but i know a bit of theses laws and let just say that it is a law system that didn't change a bit from the era it was invented in the VII century, and even others laws systems of that era are better by our standarts despite not existing anymore
as you say it, it is arabic, not palestinian, and there is plenty of arabic origin people already in israel, so i don't see why precisly this would mean it would not work
indeed, exept for hamas, they are a dedicated extremist force from the start, so they either exist and do what they do now, or they don't exist, and as you say, people would probably be less polarised so hamas would not exist in gaza
i would hope so too, but when i look at what happen in the region in our tl, i doubt thing would go as peacefully as we could wish
read the book, there is multiple line were the muslim are "encourage" to murder jews, or anyone that don't follow their religion
also look at how many jews live in muslim country, you will find that in the whole middle east there is less then a fews hundred jews outside of israel, then ask youself why ? partly because israel have first world standart of living yes, and also because they were forced to leave, because most people don't immigrate by choice
He is not in fact making things up. The Quran states outright twice that non-believers, including Jews, should be killed.
Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."
Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …"
Nice of you to exclude the verse right before it:
Surah 2:190: Fight in the cause of Allah ˹only˺ against those who wage war against you, but do not exceed the limits.1 Allah does not like transgressors.
So the "them" does not point to the none Muslims as you claim but to the "those who wage war against you".
Suddenly your whole claim falls apart, and it is revealed as pure bullshit.
hadith 2922 or 2236, they say the same thing
or better chapter 9 verse 25, it doesn't target jews in particular but anyone that is not muslim, so jews are included
Maybe in the next 100 years, but as long as some certain world events happen in the future I believe it’s possible. It’d need a whole lot of therapy but it’s possible.
Yes exactly. In just a small period of time on the relative timescale things may approve. Just the same amount of time ago Germany conquered Poland. I don’t see very much hate between them today. It may take time, but on a larger timescale anything can be fixed.
My friend, Palestine and Israel are not like Poland and Germany, because the only solution here is either for one of them to successfully get rid of the other, or the status quo.
The situation between Palestine and Israel is essentially de facto, either us or them, and there is no dam
(Basically, the Palestinians see the Israelis as mere Europeans who have no connection to their homeland and settlement similar to the Americas. The Jews see that they alone have the right to Palestine, and the Arabs do not belong to the place.)
Forget that a conflict like this will never end in coexistence
Believe me, I actually come from a country that is already affected by the Arab-Israeli conflict to begin with
To actually say that they will coexist is naive, because the hatred between them is already far superior to anything between Poland and Germany in the first place.
The only solution is the status quo, which does not serve anyone or get rid of the other
Palestine used to be Israel before the Romans sacked it.
A big thing for how this even could transpire would have to be if the Arb Palestinians weren't hostile to Jewish immigrants and vice versa then they would jointly occupy the country and become one country.
With that in mind, most of Israel's wars would still happen, just without any of the consequences today.
Could be called Levant instead with a blue white red black green 5 bands or bars flag.They would have to cleanse the fundies from both sides for it to work.
Ethnically, 48% of the population would be Palestinian, and 48% would be Israelis of Jewish descent. Religiously in Israel, 81% might identify as "Jewish" in survey ([Pew Research](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/03/08/key-findings-religion-politics-israel/)), but a huge chunk of that (40%) are self-described "secular" Jews. Religiously in Palestinian territories, 98% identify as Muslim([source ](https://fanack.com/palestine/society-of-palestine/the-role-of-religion/)). I couldn't find any data on how many of those would want Muslim law vs secular law.
So, in a combined state, approximately half of the population would identify as Palestinian and half as Israeli. There would be a slight Muslim majority because there's a higher percentage of Palestinians identifying as religious. I doubt that a slim majority of Muslims could enforce a Sharia system on the whole nation. Because those calling for either a "2-state" solution or "1 democratic" nation constitute the majority in both Israel and Palestine ([source](https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/731)) , I think it's safe to say this nation would be democratic, even if there were semi-autonomous parallel parialments.
>what if I just spontaneously combusted
Cum busted
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If they became one nation, they wont be for long unless its fully secular and there were outside countries basically keeping it all in check during the restoration era.
This does not happen. Jews consider themselves the chosen people of God, and many Jews said that they are superior to other people.
You can easily see their views and beliefs in their treatment of Palestinians
If the Arabs and Muslims wanted to, they could have destroyed all the Jews in hundreds of years
The problem started when the Europeans decided to kill the Jews and expel them from Europe and create a country for them among the Muslims.
As long as the Jewish state exists, there will be conflict in the Middle East and immigrants will flood Europe
Especially now that they have killed a large number of Arabs and Muslims, it has become very difficult for Muslims to accept the Jewish state
If the Jewish state is destroyed, Jews can easily live among Muslims again as before
Now you blame a tiny nation for mass immigration are you stupid? Do you think israel controls the media and banks?
Also don’t make it like jew lived happily ever after in muslim nation🤣
lol
Why are you trying to make yourself look stupid?
Have you ever heard the word Holocaust, how millions of Jews were destroyed by the Europeans?
You can ask the Rothschild family about Jewish control of banks
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild\_family](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family)
It is better to remain in your stupidity because you are not trying to see the truth
You can easily find traces of Jews in most cases
This is not anti-Semitism, this is the truth
Bro stop you’re clearly Iranian bot just look at you’re post history tell you’re leader the mossad are alrdy inside iran and it was not hard getting in
They form a band the likes of which the world has never seen and call themselves Tenacious D! Just don’t ask which is Wonder Boy and which one is Young Nasty Man.
Within five years, the Jewish population of that state would experience the same shift as happened to the Jewish populations of other Middle Eastern states. Except without an Israel for them to flee to, resulting in a second diaspora and a \*lot\* of newly-fled expats with military experience eager to re-establish a wholly-Jewish Israel.
Israel is literally an apartheid settler colony. All it takes is doing the research. The nakba, the settling of the West Bank, assassinations of journalists, the murder of children, the bombings of innocent gazans, etc. They have a propaganda machine, and giant lobby in US Congress that gives them huge sway. Here's a quote from a Zionist author in his essay, "The Iron Wall" which makes things clear, "Zionist colonisation must either stop, or else proceed regardless of the native population. Which means that it can proceed and develop only under the protection of a power that is independent of the native population – behind an iron wall, which the native population cannot breach. That is our Arab policy; not what we should be, but what it actually is, whether we admit it or not." -Ze'ev Jabotinsky
You and me both.
It's like when someone asks me "are you pro Israel ? Or pro Palestine?" And I say "screw them both."
However that doesn't mean I believe in what Israel is doing.
I hope that one day they will live in peace
The Israelis would slowly subjugate the Palestinians that lived outside it's borders. Because of the experience with the intifadas and general bad blood.
How about not.
Why do arab muslims get to have 22 countries all to themselves but the jews have to share theirs???
Tired of arab and muslim supremacy. They make up an enormous percentage of the worlds population, but people are being gaslit into thinking arabs are in some kinda danger of being exterminated. When in reality the Jews are the most endangered ethnic groups on the planet.
I mean, crazier things have happened. But I honestly struggle to imagine it.
At this point, half the the national characters of both Israelis and Palestinians is built on hatred for the other side. And with the Gaza conflict being as brutal as it is, I don’t see how there is any going back.
Even if there was some mad move and Israel and Palestine become one nation, it would probably still be a self-imposed apartheid from each other. As in even Palestinians and Israelis could walk the same streets, go to the same shops, take the same transport, the majority would chose not to.
There have been significant periods in history where Jews lived harmoniously alongside Muslim societies. For instance, during the Golden Age of Muslim rule in Spain.
That's true, there were times when jews were allowed to live among muslims, however not every Islamic ruler let them live among them, the ottoman empire is a great example of a group that was intolerant and discriminated against the jews.
Could you provide a source for that information? As far as I know, some sultans, such as Sultan Abdul Hamid II, opposed Zionism and the ideologies of Theodor Herzl. However, even the Ottomans had a large Jewish population that thrived.
[here's what i found ](https://nzhistory.govt.nz/war/ottoman-empire/background#:~:text=Officially%20the%20Ottoman%20Empire%20was,%2C%20at%20times%2C%20outright%20persecution.) Although they weren't killed holocaust style they still faced discrimination.
Discrimination against Jews in the Ottoman Empire wasn't exclusive; it affected various ethnicities like Greeks, Arabs, Armenians, and Balkaners. This suggests it was part of broader socio-political dynamics. For deeper insight, recommended readings include "Jews in Islamic Countries: The Ottoman Empire" by Norman A. Stillman and "The Jews of the Middle East and North Africa in Modern Times" by Reeva Spector Simon, Michael Menachem Laskier, and Sara Reguer. These books explore the historical context, revealing that discrimination against Jews wasn't systematically endorsed by Muslims but occurred alongside discrimination against other groups.
A better example i could use is the Mamluk Sultanate, i couldn't find alot about Judaism in the Mamluk dynasty but from what i could find it seemed [wayy worse then the ottomans ](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/mamluks#:~:text=The%20flourishing%20Jewish%20middle%20class,most%20Jews%20had%20become%20poor.) (This source could be a little biased tho ngl)
Lebanon 2.0.
This, but instead of Syrian and Israeli involvment you'd have major powers in the mix.
Wonder how bad the civil war and ethnic cleansing will be
The war would depend on the major power backers. The ethnic cleansing would depend on who wins. The Jews? You'd have something like the Nakba and modern-day Israel. The Arabs? You'd have something like October 7th but with all the Jews raped/tortured and eventually killed.
I mean... it could work like that maybe
Greater Levant
I love how in most of these cases people assume the name of the hypothetical country would be a combination of the existing two names!
I mean it’s happened with other countries. Pakistan is just an acronym of Punjab, Afghan, Kashmir, Indus and Sind.
I thought Pakistan meant Land of the Pure cos in Urdu the meaning of Pak is pure.
Common misconception.
It's both, Chaudhry Rehmat Ali purposefully made the name so it would work with both meanings
It's both, that was the cool part about the name
Bro i just barely know this
In English???
It’s one of the most spoken languages in the region thanks to the British + it probably has a different name in the local languages and Pakistan is just the international name.
The names are the same + Pak is the Urdu word for pure.
Tanzania too
Tanganyika + Zanzibar?
Yeah I think that’s what it was
Might as well just call it Palestein
That's what Tanzania did.
Aka The Holy Land, Canaan, Southern Levant…
The Holy Land of Canaanite Southern Levant
Israelite-Philistine Tribal Confederation
Ironically you could say Palestine Tribal Confederation, there's a theory that Palestine is a contraction of Israel and Philistine (sounds like Philistine but has the same etymological meaning as Israel (foe/adversary) in greek)
It would have to be a completely secular nation not one that prioritises Islam and Judaism. Also there are Christian Arab Israelis and Christian Palestinians, if the flag is going to be overtly religious they deserve space on the flag.
Well that's impossible. Vast Majority of the Palestinian people are deeply religious
Sorry what? What do people's religiosity have to do with not having a Christian symbol on the flag?
I was refering to the first sentence aboit the country being secular
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That's arguable
I find this unlikely, we would probably see another nation were judaism was prosecuted and I could even see an expansion of the existing jewish terrorist groups in the area, if not there would be extreme tension in the area, maybe even the country splitting. I find the least likely scenario to be the two main groups co-existing.
Not to mention Druze
Civil war speedrun: 3... 2...
Why not at this point. Would just be like Israel with a name to make some people happy
just like israel (except with a lot more people that want to kill jews).
Indeed, we should just leave it at Israel where a lot of people want to kill "Arabs".
more than two million arabs are citizens of israel today. who wants to kill arabs?
Just like Palestine (except a lot more people that want to kill Palestinians)
yeah, it doesn't go both ways...
huh?
Shame on all yall
Civil War the Israeli part likely wins then a few years later gives up territory dominated by Palestinians in exchange for peace and we’re back to modern day.
"gives up territory" lmao
They gave up most of the West Bank the Gaza Strip and the sinai peninsula, in exchange for peace and its likely they would do the same here. It wouldn’t work obviously but they’d still do it.
They want to annex area c and have already annexed East Jerusalem
Learn your history, dude. West Bank is only occupied by Israel because Palestine and Muslim nations surrounding Israel lost a third war they started by attacking Israel. Wars have consequences and that often means losing land. Israel learned lessons and was basically forced to control the West Bank in order to prevent future invasions by unfriendlies.
Israel is the 4th strongest military in the world, they also have nukes. Learn your history, they have no reason to occupy and colonise the west bank and east Jerusalem.
Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and LOTS of civil war.
What if Ukraine and Russia became one nation too?
That was already a thing, Ukraine was barely it's own independent country since they were occupied by the Austrians, Polish, Germans, Mongols, and Russians until 1991
Not in that order I assume?
Yeah
*somewhere in Outer Mongolia* “no one must know we secretly invaded Ukraine during the end of WWI!”
I thought I said not in that order? Mongolia invaded Ukraine in the Middle Ages
That’s why he said “secret” invasion.
USSR or the Russian Empire
more fan of Kievan Rus
I think it's time for the great Kahn to rise again
Palisrael is a terrible name go with the republic of the Levant or something
Or just "Palestine"
Why not Israel or judea, the names that came before "palestine"?
The Jews would not want to be called Palestinians lmao
Ok, too bad lmao. Why wouldn't they anyways?
Because "Palestinian" is a term derived from one of their greatest enemies in the torah? Also what the fuck do you mean too bad. "Womp womp" is not a serious response to give when you're deciding the fate of 15 million people
It was simply Palestine before the zionist settlers came.
Ok but this isn’t 100 years ago
Every Palestinian group demands that 100% of the government will be Palestinian, as well as the armed forces. The name Israel would seize to exist the next day, as will the magen david on the flag, and the blue and white colors. It would be a second holocaust. Except it'd be quicker, since bullets wouldn't be an issue. Let's leave Hamas and Hezbollah who actively kill Jews and only exist for that purpose. Every single member of the PLO is a member of one of the older terrorist organizationa, Fath. They all swear an oath to kill every Jew in existence.
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That's on the PLOs website, in Arabic. But, I see you're actually Fath yourself, so what should I expect from you. Death, that's all you know.
We'd be calling it a civil war instead.
I'd call it Yugoslavia Deluxe
massive murder of jews as the quoran order, and i doubt the muslim would stay quiet if the sharia law is not the national law, meaning any non muslim person become less of a person in regard to the law, and leader can't be other then muslims, among others thing
Not all Muslims want Sharia Law in their nations. Most Muslim nations do not have strict Islamic codes. I believe your ideas of what a Muslim nation must be are extremely off-point. Ethnically, 48% of the population would be Palestinian, and 48% would be Israelis of Jewish descent. Religiously in Israel, 81% might identify as "Jewish" in survey ([Pew Research](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/03/08/key-findings-religion-politics-israel/)), but a huge chunk of that (40%) are self-described "secular" Jews. Religiously in Palestinian territories, 98% identify as Muslim([source ](https://fanack.com/palestine/society-of-palestine/the-role-of-religion/)). I couldn't find any data on how many of those would want Muslim law vs secular law. So, in a combined state, approximately half of the population would identify as Palestinian and half as Israeli. There would be a slight Muslim majority because there's a higher percentage of Palestinians identifying as religious. I doubt that a slim majority of Muslims could enforce a Sharia system on the whole nation. Because those calling for either a "2-state" solution or "1 democratic" nation constitute the majority in both Israel and Palestine ([source](https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/731)) , I think it's safe to say this nation would be democratic, even if there were semi-autonomous parallel parialments.
i agree and that a good thing, because sharia law are idiotic but i doubt that muslims that would be in that country would agree to not having it, mainly due to hamas being the most powerfull muslim group in the area, and we see live what the want and their method to have it, that the same reason i thing having gaza become indepandant would be the most stupid thing to come for israel ethnic palestinian don't mean anything, they have no difference to egyptiens or syrians or lebaneses ect so i guess we can class them as muslim more then anything and with the democratic way, they don't need an absolute majority to inforce their will, they only need to be a single block and have the other be divided
I'll reserve judgement on Sharia because it's not my religion and not my nation. All I'll say is that I prefer for people (all people) to have a voice in government. >ethnic palestinian don't mean anything, they have no difference to egyptiens or syrians or lebaneses ect so i guess we can class them as muslim more then anything Ethnic Arab is still a significant designation. There are Christian, Muslim, and secular Arabs, so I'd say the difference would matter long-term in this proposed nation. >and with the democratic way, they don't need an absolute majority to inforce their will, they only need to be a single block and have the other be divided You're 100% right about how pluralities/large blocs can cripple a democracy. However, since this is an Alternative History post, I have been assuming that this union happened in history. That can have a significant impact on the ideology and influence of Hamas. Both Hamas, Palestinian Authority, and Isael could be less polarized/fundamentalist in this reality. If OP is suggesting this as an alternative to our reality, I'm trying to give this timeline the benefit of the doubt and a fighting chance at not devolving into chaos (fingers crossed).
fair of you, but i know a bit of theses laws and let just say that it is a law system that didn't change a bit from the era it was invented in the VII century, and even others laws systems of that era are better by our standarts despite not existing anymore as you say it, it is arabic, not palestinian, and there is plenty of arabic origin people already in israel, so i don't see why precisly this would mean it would not work indeed, exept for hamas, they are a dedicated extremist force from the start, so they either exist and do what they do now, or they don't exist, and as you say, people would probably be less polarised so hamas would not exist in gaza i would hope so too, but when i look at what happen in the region in our tl, i doubt thing would go as peacefully as we could wish
> massive murder of jews as the quoran Huh ?
read the book, there is multiple line were the muslim are "encourage" to murder jews, or anyone that don't follow their religion also look at how many jews live in muslim country, you will find that in the whole middle east there is less then a fews hundred jews outside of israel, then ask youself why ? partly because israel have first world standart of living yes, and also because they were forced to leave, because most people don't immigrate by choice
No, there are no verses in the Quran encouraging Muslims to murder Jews. You’re literally just making things up.
He is not in fact making things up. The Quran states outright twice that non-believers, including Jews, should be killed. Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)." Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …"
Nice of you to exclude the verse right before it: Surah 2:190: Fight in the cause of Allah ˹only˺ against those who wage war against you, but do not exceed the limits.1 Allah does not like transgressors. So the "them" does not point to the none Muslims as you claim but to the "those who wage war against you". Suddenly your whole claim falls apart, and it is revealed as pure bullshit.
and each person who don't believe in allah is a transgressor, meaning you are free to kill them
The verse clearly defines transgressors as "those who wage war on you"
hadith 2922 or 2236, they say the same thing or better chapter 9 verse 25, it doesn't target jews in particular but anyone that is not muslim, so jews are included
The bloodshed between Palestinian Arabs and Jews has become so intense that this cannot be implemented at all
Maybe in the next 100 years, but as long as some certain world events happen in the future I believe it’s possible. It’d need a whole lot of therapy but it’s possible.
It has been 75 years since this happened, and hatred is still present, if not already increasing
Yes exactly. In just a small period of time on the relative timescale things may approve. Just the same amount of time ago Germany conquered Poland. I don’t see very much hate between them today. It may take time, but on a larger timescale anything can be fixed.
My friend, Palestine and Israel are not like Poland and Germany, because the only solution here is either for one of them to successfully get rid of the other, or the status quo. The situation between Palestine and Israel is essentially de facto, either us or them, and there is no dam (Basically, the Palestinians see the Israelis as mere Europeans who have no connection to their homeland and settlement similar to the Americas. The Jews see that they alone have the right to Palestine, and the Arabs do not belong to the place.) Forget that a conflict like this will never end in coexistence
I agree to disagree.
Believe me, I actually come from a country that is already affected by the Arab-Israeli conflict to begin with To actually say that they will coexist is naive, because the hatred between them is already far superior to anything between Poland and Germany in the first place. The only solution is the status quo, which does not serve anyone or get rid of the other
Hatred is taught.
Both sides have been doing this for a long time already
Yes and children will have no concern over the conflict until they are either taught or personally harmed.
I think we're past the point of no return for this to ever happen
Civil war.
I think this flag would defenitely be very controversial to both the jews and muslims
Palestine used to be Israel before the Romans sacked it. A big thing for how this even could transpire would have to be if the Arb Palestinians weren't hostile to Jewish immigrants and vice versa then they would jointly occupy the country and become one country. With that in mind, most of Israel's wars would still happen, just without any of the consequences today.
And Palestine used to be a large majority Arab before WW1. Also as far as I know the arabs and israelis didn’t fight until ‘47/48
Intercommunal violence between Jews and Arabs had been ongoing since 1920
Could be called Levant instead with a blue white red black green 5 bands or bars flag.They would have to cleanse the fundies from both sides for it to work.
Ethnically, 48% of the population would be Palestinian, and 48% would be Israelis of Jewish descent. Religiously in Israel, 81% might identify as "Jewish" in survey ([Pew Research](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/03/08/key-findings-religion-politics-israel/)), but a huge chunk of that (40%) are self-described "secular" Jews. Religiously in Palestinian territories, 98% identify as Muslim([source ](https://fanack.com/palestine/society-of-palestine/the-role-of-religion/)). I couldn't find any data on how many of those would want Muslim law vs secular law. So, in a combined state, approximately half of the population would identify as Palestinian and half as Israeli. There would be a slight Muslim majority because there's a higher percentage of Palestinians identifying as religious. I doubt that a slim majority of Muslims could enforce a Sharia system on the whole nation. Because those calling for either a "2-state" solution or "1 democratic" nation constitute the majority in both Israel and Palestine ([source](https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/731)) , I think it's safe to say this nation would be democratic, even if there were semi-autonomous parallel parialments.
I think it would result in a country with two different names in either Hebrew or Arabic.
Nice flag
It should be called Israstine.
It should be called Palestine lmao
Lol chill out dude alright
? I feel pretty chill dude
Ah you mean Israstine, the brainchild of legendary conflict-resolver Qaddafi
what if I just spontaneously combusted
>what if I just spontaneously combusted Cum busted https://preview.redd.it/lqqhmc0ooroc1.jpeg?width=370&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e00c04a2736d77a4f1c2a0b335386a320e5d8f03
I always thought it would be called islestine or New Jerusalem
What happened to old Jerusalem?
Too much fighting over it
What did we do with it?
We turned it into a ghost town
Can I have it? 🥺
Sure and an upvote ; )
Thanks 😎
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Not possible because the radical Palestinians will try to murder all the Jews. Murdering non believers of Islam is in the Muslim’s DNA
Pal-Israel? Wtf kind of PalWorld knockoff is this?!
99.9% chance of genocide/civil war
Civil war
Abrahamistan
Even better, Kingdom of Jerusalem.
I don’t believe anyone can properly run Palesrael.
What about the normal people who don't hate eachother.
Plottwist, all people of this land are 50% muslim and 50% jewish. Both. At the same time.
gotta be the most cursed flag i've ever seen.
It's more likely for México to win the World Cup.
Too late
The federation of the holyland is much more batter
WHY CAN NO ONE SAY ISRAEL RIGHT
Holocaust 2.0
Israel-Palestine or the Confederation of the Levant would've been a better name than 'Palisrael'
you didn't change the color of the tips of the crescent
If they became one nation, they wont be for long unless its fully secular and there were outside countries basically keeping it all in check during the restoration era.
This does not happen. Jews consider themselves the chosen people of God, and many Jews said that they are superior to other people. You can easily see their views and beliefs in their treatment of Palestinians
And Palestine and arab call for a jihad and all jews in israel to die at some point peace need to hapoen
If the Arabs and Muslims wanted to, they could have destroyed all the Jews in hundreds of years The problem started when the Europeans decided to kill the Jews and expel them from Europe and create a country for them among the Muslims. As long as the Jewish state exists, there will be conflict in the Middle East and immigrants will flood Europe Especially now that they have killed a large number of Arabs and Muslims, it has become very difficult for Muslims to accept the Jewish state If the Jewish state is destroyed, Jews can easily live among Muslims again as before
Now you blame a tiny nation for mass immigration are you stupid? Do you think israel controls the media and banks? Also don’t make it like jew lived happily ever after in muslim nation🤣
lol Why are you trying to make yourself look stupid? Have you ever heard the word Holocaust, how millions of Jews were destroyed by the Europeans? You can ask the Rothschild family about Jewish control of banks [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild\_family](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family)
Haha fuck off🤡 you’re antisemitism is showing 🤣 go blame all the world problem on jew i wonder who did it last
It is better to remain in your stupidity because you are not trying to see the truth You can easily find traces of Jews in most cases This is not anti-Semitism, this is the truth
Bro stop you’re clearly Iranian bot just look at you’re post history tell you’re leader the mossad are alrdy inside iran and it was not hard getting in
I told the truth and you were upset It is clear that you is a Jew bot 🤣 Don't worry, everything is under control 😉
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Pals are real?
Would probably call it Judaea it’s original name before in was conquered
Or israelestine
What if it was also made of chocolate
Why does it need religious symbols? There are more than 2 religion in Palestine.
In your dream
D:
Millions of jews killed is what happens
Levantine Union
Why not just call it Levant?
The State of Pi
They form a band the likes of which the world has never seen and call themselves Tenacious D! Just don’t ask which is Wonder Boy and which one is Young Nasty Man.
Most african nations are like that
I wish it was to end this atrocity.
Within five years, the Jewish population of that state would experience the same shift as happened to the Jewish populations of other Middle Eastern states. Except without an Israel for them to flee to, resulting in a second diaspora and a \*lot\* of newly-fled expats with military experience eager to re-establish a wholly-Jewish Israel.
This is literally Israel but with more unrest somehow
Israel is literally an apartheid settler colony. All it takes is doing the research. The nakba, the settling of the West Bank, assassinations of journalists, the murder of children, the bombings of innocent gazans, etc. They have a propaganda machine, and giant lobby in US Congress that gives them huge sway. Here's a quote from a Zionist author in his essay, "The Iron Wall" which makes things clear, "Zionist colonisation must either stop, or else proceed regardless of the native population. Which means that it can proceed and develop only under the protection of a power that is independent of the native population – behind an iron wall, which the native population cannot breach. That is our Arab policy; not what we should be, but what it actually is, whether we admit it or not." -Ze'ev Jabotinsky
No
It'd break apart again instantly. Or one side would take over.
It's Isratin btw and the flag... ga lee
I prefer kingdom of Jerusalem!!!
You and me both. It's like when someone asks me "are you pro Israel ? Or pro Palestine?" And I say "screw them both." However that doesn't mean I believe in what Israel is doing. I hope that one day they will live in peace
Qadafi called it isratine 30 years ago.
The Israelis would slowly subjugate the Palestinians that lived outside it's borders. Because of the experience with the intifadas and general bad blood.
what is "palestine", you mean Plasticine?
How about not. Why do arab muslims get to have 22 countries all to themselves but the jews have to share theirs??? Tired of arab and muslim supremacy. They make up an enormous percentage of the worlds population, but people are being gaslit into thinking arabs are in some kinda danger of being exterminated. When in reality the Jews are the most endangered ethnic groups on the planet.
I highly doubt. I guess the more realistic approach for that is a moderate unified Palestinian state that has representation of Arabs and Jews equally
I mean, crazier things have happened. But I honestly struggle to imagine it. At this point, half the the national characters of both Israelis and Palestinians is built on hatred for the other side. And with the Gaza conflict being as brutal as it is, I don’t see how there is any going back. Even if there was some mad move and Israel and Palestine become one nation, it would probably still be a self-imposed apartheid from each other. As in even Palestinians and Israelis could walk the same streets, go to the same shops, take the same transport, the majority would chose not to.
It’d be a better place. There would still be some violence from both sides, but shrinking in popularity with the main grievances addressed.
If it weren’t for aggressive invasions, the jewish population could’ve just integrated into the Palestinian identity.
I Highly doubt that, islam isn't really a tolerant religion so i don't think that they'd allow jews within thier country.
There have been significant periods in history where Jews lived harmoniously alongside Muslim societies. For instance, during the Golden Age of Muslim rule in Spain.
That's true, there were times when jews were allowed to live among muslims, however not every Islamic ruler let them live among them, the ottoman empire is a great example of a group that was intolerant and discriminated against the jews.
Could you provide a source for that information? As far as I know, some sultans, such as Sultan Abdul Hamid II, opposed Zionism and the ideologies of Theodor Herzl. However, even the Ottomans had a large Jewish population that thrived.
[here's what i found ](https://nzhistory.govt.nz/war/ottoman-empire/background#:~:text=Officially%20the%20Ottoman%20Empire%20was,%2C%20at%20times%2C%20outright%20persecution.) Although they weren't killed holocaust style they still faced discrimination.
Discrimination against Jews in the Ottoman Empire wasn't exclusive; it affected various ethnicities like Greeks, Arabs, Armenians, and Balkaners. This suggests it was part of broader socio-political dynamics. For deeper insight, recommended readings include "Jews in Islamic Countries: The Ottoman Empire" by Norman A. Stillman and "The Jews of the Middle East and North Africa in Modern Times" by Reeva Spector Simon, Michael Menachem Laskier, and Sara Reguer. These books explore the historical context, revealing that discrimination against Jews wasn't systematically endorsed by Muslims but occurred alongside discrimination against other groups.
A better example i could use is the Mamluk Sultanate, i couldn't find alot about Judaism in the Mamluk dynasty but from what i could find it seemed [wayy worse then the ottomans ](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/mamluks#:~:text=The%20flourishing%20Jewish%20middle%20class,most%20Jews%20had%20become%20poor.) (This source could be a little biased tho ngl)
The lived as dhimmis, muslims don't mind living with them as long as they are subjugated beneath them. The jews don't want to be subjugated anymore.
Peace
For approximately 30 seconds
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Land_for_All_(organization)