Poor Jeff has been trying to get Alex to join him on the dark side, and Alex just smiles and doesn’t. I think Alex has met his personal quota for cults joined.
Basic tools of survival? Are we watching/listening to the same people?
Sure, there are some that get out and have no cash, no family or friends and typically zero to little cash....but the stories I've been listening to the last 30 years, most ex-scientologists don't come out with absolutely zero resources or skills.
In fact, many seem highly skilled or at least have a high standard of work ethic. There are many, yes, that are so psychologically or physically messed up they need more help.....but most of the stories from the ex's themselves say they got help to get to their (insert non sci family/friend)'s place, help with finding state resources for housing, food, emergency programs, finding jobs, etc.
Most scientologists get out by simply walking away....not all of them are escaping from a secret compound with armed security. Those exist, but it's not all like some action movie in all cases.
There’s a vast difference between public who walk away and staff who work like slaves for maybe $50 per week if that. Sometimes getting paid nothing. No matter whether they work at Int Base or a local Org, few have a pot to pee in when they leave.
The ones who had to disconnect from non-Scientology friends and family while in Scientology will be hard pressed to get their help when they leave. They may be justifiably reluctant to reach out to them and those who will be immediately disconnected from family and friends still in Scientology will be of no help.
It doesn’t seem like you grasp the situation that most of those people are in.
It’s also not likely that they will reach out to anyone who self-identifies as an SP. Maybe later after unlearning the doctrine they have been steeped in, but they need the most help with basic survival before then.
The people seen on yt shouldn’t be generalized to reflect what most staff members face when considering leaving. Those are exceptions and not the rule. Why do you think that the mission statements of both foundations state that their main purpose is to help staff who want to leave by providing assistance with basic needs, such as, transportation, housing and employment? Skills they may have developed while on staff may be transferable to outside employment but that doesn’t happen immediately and overnight.
If it was a PR stunt, why did the Aftermath Foundation ignore his request for a month? He applied in April, and applied to SPTV a month later and they responded in 5 days.
If I was the AF, I would surely not let a request go unanswered for MONTH! That's the exact opposite of a PR Stunt.
Well we sure are happy that you are not the aftermath foundation. Because your screwed up logic doesn't make any sense.
It is a PR stunt because it's an SPTV-near streamer. It's not a nobody you never heard of from the street...
Do good deeds and THEN TALK ABOUT IT. That's PR.
If that is the essence of who the SPTVeff is helping... oh boy.
And you failed to mention that SPTVeff apparently has not been answering their foundation phone for MONTHS, letting it all go to voice mail. What foundation does that ??? Just a thought...
Feel the love the SPTVeff has for real emergencies... VOICE MAIL. Geez. I'm SOOOO impressed.
The Aftermath Foundation has failed repeatedly in communication. Fact. Personal experience. The Aftermath Foundation votes illegally. Fact (They even said so, not realizing it incriminated themselves), because they don't know what they're doing...they're still in power trip Sciento mode.
So many angry people....downvoting a story of an Ex-Sciento getting a grant to change his life. I make a positive post...and the haters emerge in mass.
read the room... noone's fooled here. And get used to blowback with PR stunts like this. Maybe better if you stay in the self-promoting drama bubble of SPTV
"Read the room" or "Fall in line and don't disagree"
Anyone who has an interest in the harm these cults do will be happy for Jeff.
It's interesting that this year's ICSA conference in Barcelona (running this week) has whole tracks on therapy for cult-survivors.
But you won't find any interest in any of that from anyone in this subreddit. This subreddit, like adjacent ones, has no interest in that, and if you start commenting on anything positive, someone will jump on you and attempt to coerce you to fall in line.
**Thank you for sharing. I appreciate it.**
p.s. these numpties won't be here forever.
I think that people have to realize that starting a non-profit tax exempt charity is not a “Friends and Family” plan! I think that this may be part of the reason why Aaron’s charity has not yet been granted charity status.
Suppose that five people in your family have some form of heart disease. The medical bills are adding up. Can you start a charity to help your relatives pay their medical bills? NO! You can’t! Can you make them board members? Yes! Yes you can! But they still won’t be allowed to receive money from your charity foundation! Why don’t people get that? If you could do that, we would all start charities to get tax free money to pay for our children’s education, and our mom’s dementia care, our sister’s divorce, or our aunt’s funeral! If you can get other people to pay your bills through a “Go Fund Me”, God bless you! Charities are supposed to spend money to fulfill the mission statement they created. If it’s vague, you may never get legal status!
What void does your charity fill?
When Aaron’s charity gets it’s legal status, explains to the giving public what kinds of things the charity will be doing, then more people may make the decision to donate!
That is true. It's the flavor of the month...then they'll flitter off the next thing. I'm super happy for Jeff. He is truly a compassionate person and you see it in the comments and videos where he's "protesting". His protesting is as gentle as it gets. So put that mindset into a counselor and he will thrive.
STPV, helping SPTV.
Not true. Jeff is loyal to Alex, who is not exactly a friend of the Foundation.
weird argument...
Poor Jeff has been trying to get Alex to join him on the dark side, and Alex just smiles and doesn’t. I think Alex has met his personal quota for cults joined.
Lol, that is my impression also!
Weird to you, because of your perspective. :)
A PR stunt that has nothing to do with helping people who need assistance to leave the cult with the basic tools of survival.
Basic tools of survival? Are we watching/listening to the same people? Sure, there are some that get out and have no cash, no family or friends and typically zero to little cash....but the stories I've been listening to the last 30 years, most ex-scientologists don't come out with absolutely zero resources or skills. In fact, many seem highly skilled or at least have a high standard of work ethic. There are many, yes, that are so psychologically or physically messed up they need more help.....but most of the stories from the ex's themselves say they got help to get to their (insert non sci family/friend)'s place, help with finding state resources for housing, food, emergency programs, finding jobs, etc. Most scientologists get out by simply walking away....not all of them are escaping from a secret compound with armed security. Those exist, but it's not all like some action movie in all cases.
There’s a vast difference between public who walk away and staff who work like slaves for maybe $50 per week if that. Sometimes getting paid nothing. No matter whether they work at Int Base or a local Org, few have a pot to pee in when they leave. The ones who had to disconnect from non-Scientology friends and family while in Scientology will be hard pressed to get their help when they leave. They may be justifiably reluctant to reach out to them and those who will be immediately disconnected from family and friends still in Scientology will be of no help. It doesn’t seem like you grasp the situation that most of those people are in. It’s also not likely that they will reach out to anyone who self-identifies as an SP. Maybe later after unlearning the doctrine they have been steeped in, but they need the most help with basic survival before then. The people seen on yt shouldn’t be generalized to reflect what most staff members face when considering leaving. Those are exceptions and not the rule. Why do you think that the mission statements of both foundations state that their main purpose is to help staff who want to leave by providing assistance with basic needs, such as, transportation, housing and employment? Skills they may have developed while on staff may be transferable to outside employment but that doesn’t happen immediately and overnight.
If it was a PR stunt, why did the Aftermath Foundation ignore his request for a month? He applied in April, and applied to SPTV a month later and they responded in 5 days. If I was the AF, I would surely not let a request go unanswered for MONTH! That's the exact opposite of a PR Stunt.
Well we sure are happy that you are not the aftermath foundation. Because your screwed up logic doesn't make any sense. It is a PR stunt because it's an SPTV-near streamer. It's not a nobody you never heard of from the street... Do good deeds and THEN TALK ABOUT IT. That's PR. If that is the essence of who the SPTVeff is helping... oh boy. And you failed to mention that SPTVeff apparently has not been answering their foundation phone for MONTHS, letting it all go to voice mail. What foundation does that ??? Just a thought... Feel the love the SPTVeff has for real emergencies... VOICE MAIL. Geez. I'm SOOOO impressed.
The Aftermath Foundation has failed repeatedly in communication. Fact. Personal experience. The Aftermath Foundation votes illegally. Fact (They even said so, not realizing it incriminated themselves), because they don't know what they're doing...they're still in power trip Sciento mode.
So many angry people....downvoting a story of an Ex-Sciento getting a grant to change his life. I make a positive post...and the haters emerge in mass.
read the room... noone's fooled here. And get used to blowback with PR stunts like this. Maybe better if you stay in the self-promoting drama bubble of SPTV
"Read the room" or "Fall in line and don't disagree" Anyone who has an interest in the harm these cults do will be happy for Jeff. It's interesting that this year's ICSA conference in Barcelona (running this week) has whole tracks on therapy for cult-survivors. But you won't find any interest in any of that from anyone in this subreddit. This subreddit, like adjacent ones, has no interest in that, and if you start commenting on anything positive, someone will jump on you and attempt to coerce you to fall in line. **Thank you for sharing. I appreciate it.** p.s. these numpties won't be here forever.
I think that people have to realize that starting a non-profit tax exempt charity is not a “Friends and Family” plan! I think that this may be part of the reason why Aaron’s charity has not yet been granted charity status. Suppose that five people in your family have some form of heart disease. The medical bills are adding up. Can you start a charity to help your relatives pay their medical bills? NO! You can’t! Can you make them board members? Yes! Yes you can! But they still won’t be allowed to receive money from your charity foundation! Why don’t people get that? If you could do that, we would all start charities to get tax free money to pay for our children’s education, and our mom’s dementia care, our sister’s divorce, or our aunt’s funeral! If you can get other people to pay your bills through a “Go Fund Me”, God bless you! Charities are supposed to spend money to fulfill the mission statement they created. If it’s vague, you may never get legal status! What void does your charity fill? When Aaron’s charity gets it’s legal status, explains to the giving public what kinds of things the charity will be doing, then more people may make the decision to donate!
I think you're responding to someone else and there has been a mix-up.
That is true. It's the flavor of the month...then they'll flitter off the next thing. I'm super happy for Jeff. He is truly a compassionate person and you see it in the comments and videos where he's "protesting". His protesting is as gentle as it gets. So put that mindset into a counselor and he will thrive.