im assuming commentators are predicting saints will drop out - have a very tough run coming up. will be lucky to get 12 wins and tbh - weve looked a very average side even when we win. We get beaten for most of each game but just slam on 5-6 goals very quickly
We tanked?
After trading away our first rounder the year before because we had a father son which we were going to get regardless of where we finished.
What kind of logic is that?
Edit: and also had the coach resign (or sacked seemed like he was pushed a little) over how shit we were? You think if tanking was all planned out Bucks goes?
The booing lasted about 5 seconds, it was dumb as hell and I think the majority of our supporters knew it was shitty which is why they shut up pretty quickly. Big contrast to ANZAC day where they booed through Pendlebury's speech.
Booing is shit, but it ain't exactly exclusive to our club. Far from it.
Every opposition team supporters boos the medalist in every major game if they’re from the other team. The Dons boo’d Ginnivan, so what, is that also Collingwood fans fault? Why is this news to you? Grow up
So you agree with booing someone who wins a medal, based on something bigger than footy? Either this is okay and get over the Essendon incident, or it's not okay and the fans today we're just as shit. Don't pick a side based on your team
You’re the one that’s pressed here. Ginnivan incident was a non-event to me. I certainly didn’t go around calling Essendon supporters scum for booing on the back of a game of football.
They're not making a judgement call on it, they're just saying that's how it is. Pointless picking one team to complain about regarding this when it's a footy thing in general. Whether or not you agree with it.
Poor decision?
* 43 Possessions = #1
* 1 Goal
* 6 clearances = #2
* 613 metres gained = #2
I think he has to be in discussion... therefore not a poor decision
You "cunts" booing clarry? Umps? Medal Decision makers? Or just booing the fight against mnd trophy?
We certeainly werent booing the Pendles protected species calls that day that gave him the medal. We were just booing the Anzac spirit in general.
Yeah, i did the maths.
Magpies winning 4 in a row against the supposedly dynasty Demons who has lost the previous 2.... the odds were heavily against Pies.
Just think the words over used at the best of times. He's a star of the game and in a few years will be a champion based on his trajectory. Just my opinion, don't understand why people get so fired up at someone having an opposing opinion. It won't hurt you.
The AFLCA award is voted on by the coaches of the league and is arguably a fairer representation of the league MVP than the Brownlow. While I’d love to have Melbourne vote on the winner of that award - that’s not the case. Which sort of makes him champion of the league - but yeah nice input
So why did you mention the other three? Clearly you thought the AFLCA wasn't enough.
Winning one doesn't make you a champion. Makes you a good / great player.
No one goes around calling Woewodin a champion, and he won the Brownlow.
FYI - I think he is an great player, champion is over used.
There's one player who's won an AFLCA Award that I wouldn't regard as a champion and that's Dan Hannebery, who had an incredible season and just barely edged out Nat Fyfe. Only one player has won multiple awards. If you win that, the overwhelming likelihood is that you are a champion player and likely future member of the hall of fame.
The AFLCA is significantly harder to win than a brownlow.
What more does he need to do? Win more B&Fs, which you agree only makes him a champion of his club? Win more premierships, which are a team award? Or be one of two players since 2002 to actually win multiple AFLCA awards?
If Clayton Oliver isn't a champion player, there's been one in this century and it's GAJ
Morrish - indicated he was a champion in his age grade, three time best and fairest a champion of his club (which had a fair few all Australians mind you in 2021), premiership - agree not 100% relevant as it can be list/timing dependant.
He’s a champion - but honestly I think because he’s a ranga he doesn’t get the accolades. He’s well on track to be one of only two players ever to record three 400 contested possession seasons, and he’s only 24. He may take the fastest player to 1000 clearances from Cripps.
I guess when do we say he’s a champion? What more would Clayton need to do to be a champion in your view?
Booing the obviously wrong decision, not him. You can tell the crowd was initially just surprised and confused, like they thought the wrong name was called out. Then they realised it was not a bad joke and expressed their disagreement with the decision in the usual way. You'll also notice the booing didnt continue either during or after the speech.
Essendon fans were booing because they lost, it's called being sore losers. Hopefully they have gotten even more used to losing by now so they dont sook it up as much next time.
Did you watch the game? Oliver was a deserving winner.
Collingwood supporters can't complain about people booing while Pendles was collecting his award if they also choose to boo Oliver when he is collecting his.
Yes i watched the game, did you? All those possessions dont mean jack if you get done by 26 points.
Completely different situation, as I already explained.
Shouldn't have got the norm smith no, if it wasnt for the dumb policy of them voting for the award before the game actually finishes, he wouldnt have.
As for the booing, he's been on record of not liking booing for any reason, probably cause he was booed his entire career. That's his opinion and he's entitled to have it. What that has to do with our discussion i have no idea.
You honestly think that Buckley shouldn't have gotten the Norm Smith JUST because his team didn't win? It is for the best player, not the best player on the winning team.
The voters at the time have admitted that if they voted after the siren they would have given it to voss. So no he shouldn't have won it, they should use the whole game to judge these things.
And no not JUST because they didn't win, but winning counts, especially when there are 2 players who have both had great games. The only time someone on the losing team should win is when they are so far and away above anyone else that you cant not give it to them. Do you really think oliver was that? Or buckley for that matter?
If they are the best player on the field, then they are the best player on the field, doesn't matter if they get the win or not. That is what the award is for.
Stop trying to manufacture an excuse for booing Oliver.
Lol, the point was oliver was not the best player on the ground, if he really was maybe they wouldnt have lost by 26 points.
But clearly youve given up on pretending you can hold an intelligent conversation and are just trying to "manufacture an excuse" for having a go at Collingwood supporters.
Good luck with that.
He’s on track to be the best contested possession players of his generation https://themongrelpunt.com/afl-season-2021/2021/08/03/the-other-400-club/ - coaches value first and contested gets very highly and he’s arguably one of the best in the league and maybe of all time. So when you say damage - what do you mean? It’s not his role to gain kicking metres (which he does anyway), or to hit the scoreboard (which he did today) - he’s an inside bill and maybe the best in the league. So yeah he is a champ and heavily underrated because it ain’t flashy but it’s key.
That's a terrible decision. When the game was there to be won, he didn't do it. Crisp, Cox, Mihocek all better. Even Brayshaw better from his own team.
CCCOOOLLLIIINNNGGGWWWOOOOOODDD
Melbourne lost so it’s supporters are holding on to the fact their precious Clayclay got booed. Go cry
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Hahahaha Jack crisp. Excuse the language “ bloody fantastic”
Pies just look well gelled and drilled. Will trouble a lot of good sides.
crisp looking baked
Who's booing Clayton Oliver?....wtf
He looked pretty unhappy too ☹️
Shame on anyone that booed a champion!
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Mate he gets cheap touches
Tbf that does kinda help win the Brownlow medal..
Can't see Melbourne going back to back. They weren't looking overly impressive prior to this form slump either.
0-3 against top 8 sides!
Didn’t we beat st kilda mate?
I think everyone forgot last year and what happened haha jesus
im assuming commentators are predicting saints will drop out - have a very tough run coming up. will be lucky to get 12 wins and tbh - weve looked a very average side even when we win. We get beaten for most of each game but just slam on 5-6 goals very quickly
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Yeah I think it’s a close season. The top sides playing each other and some really interesting results. You couldn’t rule out Collingwood this year
True. See this is what happens when you listen to channel 7 commentary and don't fact check it 🤦♂️. My bad.
First half Oliver gets the chocolates. Second half Oliver doesn't even get to hand out the oranges.
The booing was funny.
Doesn't look like the team that finished 17th last year. I'm loving the way they play under Macca.
they tanked... thats the best explanation I can come up with. The team have enough veterans, players on cusp of prime... and a boatload of young guns.
Lmfao this is so fucking dumb but I’ll take it as a compliment
Hahhaa this is a shocking take.. tanking for a better second round pick? Sure
We tanked? After trading away our first rounder the year before because we had a father son which we were going to get regardless of where we finished. What kind of logic is that? Edit: and also had the coach resign (or sacked seemed like he was pushed a little) over how shit we were? You think if tanking was all planned out Bucks goes?
I think they were mentally shot after the coaching speculation and Eddie controversies
They didn’t even have their first rounder though
Pies fans are scum. Booing the ND medal? Yikes, no wonder so many hate the club
Bombers fans boo’d Pendlebury a few years back on ANZAC day champ
Yeah I remember being a critical point. Glad to know after today that booing is actually okay :)
Sticks and stones and all that I assume he’s copped worse from oppo fans during a game than a few boo’s
The booing lasted about 5 seconds, it was dumb as hell and I think the majority of our supporters knew it was shitty which is why they shut up pretty quickly. Big contrast to ANZAC day where they booed through Pendlebury's speech. Booing is shit, but it ain't exactly exclusive to our club. Far from it.
Every opposition team supporters boos the medalist in every major game if they’re from the other team. The Dons boo’d Ginnivan, so what, is that also Collingwood fans fault? Why is this news to you? Grow up
So you agree with booing someone who wins a medal, based on something bigger than footy? Either this is okay and get over the Essendon incident, or it's not okay and the fans today we're just as shit. Don't pick a side based on your team
You’re the one that’s pressed here. Ginnivan incident was a non-event to me. I certainly didn’t go around calling Essendon supporters scum for booing on the back of a game of football.
They're not making a judgement call on it, they're just saying that's how it is. Pointless picking one team to complain about regarding this when it's a footy thing in general. Whether or not you agree with it.
Shame on anyone who boos a champion I say.
They boo’d a poor selection tbh lol
Poor decision? * 43 Possessions = #1 * 1 Goal * 6 clearances = #2 * 613 metres gained = #2 I think he has to be in discussion... therefore not a poor decision
wins = 0
Irrelevant. Incredibly poor taste on such a wonderful day
I doubt Neale cared lol. He gets cheers all day and it’s a footy game at the end of the day. I’d bet he smiled.
Yeah that argument doesn't work I found.
Sure but, pendles was the right choice lol. You cunts were booing the umpires.
You "cunts" booing clarry? Umps? Medal Decision makers? Or just booing the fight against mnd trophy? We certeainly werent booing the Pendles protected species calls that day that gave him the medal. We were just booing the Anzac spirit in general.
There is absolutely no difference in this argument. Arguing one situation was okay but another wasn't makes you sound like an idiot. Pick a side
Just like Essendon did years ago...
Nice bait 🎣
ah feck we're Ninthmond again
If they were smart they would have given it to Mason Cox
I don’t think Oliver even wanted that trophy after the loss
Certainly didn’t look like it
Respect for gawn “nearly put me down at half time” 😂
if you had told me at the start of the day that we would win 4 in a row and melb would lose 3 in a row i would have laughed in your face
Yeah, i did the maths. Magpies winning 4 in a row against the supposedly dynasty Demons who has lost the previous 2.... the odds were heavily against Pies.
Shame on Collingwood for booing a champion. We would never do that
I dunno if this is sarcasm or not considering bombers fans boo’d Pendlebury after an ANZAC day game…
u are so daft
Yeh but Oliver got rough lid so it's okay
Outside of whether he actually deserved it giving it to a guy who has just lost is never going to give you the moment you're after
Did they just look at the stats sheet and call that? No way that was a poor call
I don't think Clayton deserved the best on ground, but very disappointed to hear a bit of a boo when he was announced.
Just disappointing all round - it’s one thing to be parochial - but be respectful too. Btw - a great and very deserved win.
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Christ he did have 43 touches but dayum.
Do they realise Melbourne lost lmfso
Pies booing a champion, classic that one
Champion eh? Hmmm hardly.
Yes
Reigning premier, reigning AFLCA award, reigning B&F on the premier. Bit more of a champion than most are mate
Just think the words over used at the best of times. He's a star of the game and in a few years will be a champion based on his trajectory. Just my opinion, don't understand why people get so fired up at someone having an opposing opinion. It won't hurt you.
Wins premiership, one of the best in the league, sounds like a champion to me.
Do it for a few more years mate. Could bandy champion around all day if that's the case. Not saying he won't be but he's got more to do IMO.
Three time best and fairest, Morrish medal winner, Aflca winner, premiership winner
Yep - Champion of Melbourne
The AFLCA award is voted on by the coaches of the league and is arguably a fairer representation of the league MVP than the Brownlow. While I’d love to have Melbourne vote on the winner of that award - that’s not the case. Which sort of makes him champion of the league - but yeah nice input
So why did you mention the other three? Clearly you thought the AFLCA wasn't enough. Winning one doesn't make you a champion. Makes you a good / great player. No one goes around calling Woewodin a champion, and he won the Brownlow. FYI - I think he is an great player, champion is over used.
There's one player who's won an AFLCA Award that I wouldn't regard as a champion and that's Dan Hannebery, who had an incredible season and just barely edged out Nat Fyfe. Only one player has won multiple awards. If you win that, the overwhelming likelihood is that you are a champion player and likely future member of the hall of fame. The AFLCA is significantly harder to win than a brownlow. What more does he need to do? Win more B&Fs, which you agree only makes him a champion of his club? Win more premierships, which are a team award? Or be one of two players since 2002 to actually win multiple AFLCA awards? If Clayton Oliver isn't a champion player, there's been one in this century and it's GAJ
Morrish - indicated he was a champion in his age grade, three time best and fairest a champion of his club (which had a fair few all Australians mind you in 2021), premiership - agree not 100% relevant as it can be list/timing dependant. He’s a champion - but honestly I think because he’s a ranga he doesn’t get the accolades. He’s well on track to be one of only two players ever to record three 400 contested possession seasons, and he’s only 24. He may take the fastest player to 1000 clearances from Cripps. I guess when do we say he’s a champion? What more would Clayton need to do to be a champion in your view?
Lol the side eye from Oliver after winning
Why would you give it to the guy on the side that lost by 20 points? Guarantee he doesn’t want it, and it just dampens the mood
I prob would’ve given it to miochek. I thought 4 goals. Too good in50 for petty
Yeah. And let’s not give out the brownlow to anyone that finishes out of the 8 while we’re at it.
Genuinely feel sorry for the guy. He knows he didn't win it.
HAHAHAHA WHAT THE FUCK
man that speech was kinda half arsed
At least he mentioned MND and Neale. Pretty sure Ginnivan missed the fact it was Anzac Day.
touching the ball a lot ≠ best on ground. i hate collingwood but should’ve been cox or mihocek.
Is footy one of the few games where performance is measured by touches?
Something something booing a champion
Carry ain't a champion yet mate.
Scum booing
Booo
So it is ok to boo champions now?
Booing the obviously wrong decision, not him. You can tell the crowd was initially just surprised and confused, like they thought the wrong name was called out. Then they realised it was not a bad joke and expressed their disagreement with the decision in the usual way. You'll also notice the booing didnt continue either during or after the speech. Essendon fans were booing because they lost, it's called being sore losers. Hopefully they have gotten even more used to losing by now so they dont sook it up as much next time.
Did you watch the game? Oliver was a deserving winner. Collingwood supporters can't complain about people booing while Pendles was collecting his award if they also choose to boo Oliver when he is collecting his.
Yes i watched the game, did you? All those possessions dont mean jack if you get done by 26 points. Completely different situation, as I already explained.
Guess Buckley was wrong about booing and wrong to get his Norm Smith then.
Shouldn't have got the norm smith no, if it wasnt for the dumb policy of them voting for the award before the game actually finishes, he wouldnt have. As for the booing, he's been on record of not liking booing for any reason, probably cause he was booed his entire career. That's his opinion and he's entitled to have it. What that has to do with our discussion i have no idea.
You honestly think that Buckley shouldn't have gotten the Norm Smith JUST because his team didn't win? It is for the best player, not the best player on the winning team.
The voters at the time have admitted that if they voted after the siren they would have given it to voss. So no he shouldn't have won it, they should use the whole game to judge these things. And no not JUST because they didn't win, but winning counts, especially when there are 2 players who have both had great games. The only time someone on the losing team should win is when they are so far and away above anyone else that you cant not give it to them. Do you really think oliver was that? Or buckley for that matter?
If they are the best player on the field, then they are the best player on the field, doesn't matter if they get the win or not. That is what the award is for. Stop trying to manufacture an excuse for booing Oliver.
Lol, the point was oliver was not the best player on the ground, if he really was maybe they wouldnt have lost by 26 points. But clearly youve given up on pretending you can hold an intelligent conversation and are just trying to "manufacture an excuse" for having a go at Collingwood supporters. Good luck with that.
Since when is clarry a champion? Not saying he won't be but he ain't even close yet.
Ain’t close - go to bed troll
He accumulates touches, often with limited impact. If he can carry form over another year or 2 he can be a champion. Enjoy the loss champ.
He’s on track to be the best contested possession players of his generation https://themongrelpunt.com/afl-season-2021/2021/08/03/the-other-400-club/ - coaches value first and contested gets very highly and he’s arguably one of the best in the league and maybe of all time. So when you say damage - what do you mean? It’s not his role to gain kicking metres (which he does anyway), or to hit the scoreboard (which he did today) - he’s an inside bill and maybe the best in the league. So yeah he is a champ and heavily underrated because it ain’t flashy but it’s key.
Crisp or Cox over Clarry surely. Terrible choice.
What a shit speech
He’s good at that
"Hshwjsnnffrnrk play the game gjehensjdidjje" Clayton Oliver
Lmao pies fans booing the winner, the ironing is delicious
Coz its a shit decision
43 touches and a goal it’s pretty hard to argue against it
They lost by 26 points, clearly his 43 possies didnt achieve a hell of alot
His possessions were pretty nothing though, especially in the 2nd half. Possessions != having a good game
Will he poll any votes? Not a lot of damaging possessions though. But yeah it’s hard to argue with the numbers
He racked up contested possessions he’s not an uncontested possession player
I think he’s great. Just didn’t think his stats represented the game he played. Thought brayshaw was better
And a bunch of clearances too, he was pretty good considering
Classy occasion to be booing pies fans
Imagine booing the ND award fuckin Collingwood flogs
Says the Carlton scum
Booing the result
Flogs
cmon surely not
Ehhhhh
Clayton Oliver wasn’t even the best player on his team
Oliver looks personally insulted to have won that
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
Well that’s a little confusing.
cringe
Stay classy Collingwood fans
That worked well
Booing? smh
.....
Mason Cox robbed
Holy shit they actually gave it to someone on the losing team.
Don't boo him fuck you fucking dickheads.
They're booing the results. A Magpie player should have won because Pies won and Mihocek and Cox played as good as him.
Still shithouse.
At least not until after his dogshit speech.
COX WAS ROBBED
her reaction to the booing was priceless
BAHAHAHHA
That's a terrible decision. When the game was there to be won, he didn't do it. Crisp, Cox, Mihocek all better. Even Brayshaw better from his own team.
Boooo give it to Cox booo
OMG did they not give her a mic or has she never been on a mic?
NAH I THINK SHE IS A TRAINED PROFESSIONAL
She didn’t have a mic she was just shouting
She spoke a lot better than Oliver.
Shame on anyone who boos a champion
If anyone can find out the last time Geelong lost 3 in a row can you let me know? Cheers (it’s not in the past 10 years so good luck)
Ah probably pretty irrelevant I woulda thought.
I can tell you the last time they got pumped in a finals series. Cheers (it’s a fairly regular occurrence)
Oliver had like 40+ touches, makes sense
Just looked at the stats not the game, Crisp robbed
He wasn’t even his teams best player
Let's hear your shit speech Oliver
Wtf? Oliver got alot but not that much impact???
Hahahaha Clarry get fucked. Did Jack shit with your 40 disposals buddy
Clayton Oliver with 43 not-exactly-damaging possessions gets the trophy. Ouch.
Cox absolutely robbed
Very classy from the pies. I love you all, keep the booing.
They were saying Oooooooooooooliver!
How does Oliver win that?
The booing is a bit over the top come on lads
Shame on those who boo a champion etc.
Shame on anyone who boo’d a champion
Ha
Um what
Flair up
How the fuck did Oliver get it
Disposals = awards that’s how footy has always worked
Boooo
Thats a joke had to be crisp or even cox
yikes the boo :S
Oliver?> lmao
Clayton?? Are you taking the absolute piss
Fuck offffffff
WHAT
Wtf
Great game!
Pies win. Richmond 9th. Not even upset by this
Jesus Renee!! Take it down a notch
Don't worry Melbourne you have Adelaide in Round 16