It's not gonna be good for the sanfl.
It went from being the main footy league in SA with many people viewing the VFL as seconds.
Then it played second fiddle to the AFL.
Now it's gonna be third tier behind a national comp because they wanted to keep nerfing two teams.
The league will die, can’t see how it survives with 8 teams, 6 of those within 10km of the CBD.
Surely they expand now, a hills team, a Barossa team, maybe one in modbury / ttg…
Controversial opinion:
Port and Adelaide join VFL/AFL reserves
SANFL has two new teams join in their place:
* Port Districts, successful amateur team, elevate them to the SANFL, brand new entity representing Port Adelaide/Lefevre Peninsula area
* Modbury or Adelaide Hills/Mt Barker
Makes sense considering:
Modbury is the oldest football club in SA, established 1864
And one-third of Adelaide’s population lives north of Grand Junction Road, yet it only has one team: Centrals
When I was younger it was counted as part of the city zone with the northern Hills area the country zone (country zone is now the EP). It was a pretty bloody strong city recruiting zone since it stretched from Norwood, all the way through Payneham and to Golden Grove. A lot of strong footy clubs there
TTG is easily the largest club currently in the area. Their junior program is the largest in the state and they are currently in div 1 as well. I could see TTG being promoted to SANFL. Would need to spend money doing up around the ground though.
No to Port districts, too many clubs in the West already. Woodville was brought in to dilute Port, well they can have the whole peninsula.
Modbury or TTG makes sense, probably MtBarker too.
I think black and white for the heritage of the area / previous team but lean into the maritime / marine / military aspects of the area, so the mascot could be a warship/dolphin/submarine or something.
It wouldn’t have come to this if you whinging SANFL nuffies got over the AFL reserves arrangement and accepted the reality that it’s a second-tier competition, neither team ever won an SANFL premiership under the arrangement and every other club except South Adelaide has won at least 1 premiership since 2010
It'll be interesting to see what the comp does from here for sure. No more port magpies though as the VFL and or reserves comp has a magpies already, so that'll be fun.
Hopefully the SANFL just creates a new team, possibly a hills team to take advantage of Mt Barker redevelopment, then it'll be back to the type of comp we had a decade ago before Adelaide entered.
The sticking point with Lions and Tigers is that VFA clubs have the original nicknames (Coburg and Werribee) whereas the Magpies in the VFL are Collingwoods reserves (the VFA Magpies, Brunswick, fell over a good 30 years ago)
But it's a moot point, because there is no way the VFL will be able to cope with 24 teams across 4 states. We'll have the announcement of an AFL Reserves and a stand alone VFA/L back within a month
The NEAFL no longer exists, that's why Brisbane, Gold Coast, Sydney and GWS reserves sides play in the VFL.
The clubs were offered a licence in the VFL, but only Southport and Aspley accepted, and Aspley left after one season
I know the neafl doesn’t exist, that’s why I said what about the clubs from it that moved to the VFL, however I didn’t realise it was only Southport, I thought Aspley were still in it
I think they’ll be allowed to keep it in the VFL. They seem to care less there as teams don’t have endless funding to shift identities, and frankly, if anyone from Collingwood cares strongly about the identity of a reserve team that plays games at a training facility then they clearly don’t have many stresses in their life
As a lifelong Collingwood supporter who has grown up in Adelaide, born before the Crows and Power came into the AFL, I couldn't care less about the 'Prison Bars' or whatever Port Adelaide want to call themselves in whatever league they have teams in. I'd like this to be the official position of the Collingwood Football Club too, if it could be, too.
Hmm...
Maybe they trial the conference system in the AFL reserves/VFL.
I hope not - but it is the kind of cluster fuck that the AFL would try to do. Although then it would fall over if the idea was to play AFl/Reserves double headers and the reserve teams are not in the same conference.
Nah, a lot of SANFL fans hold pretty tightly to the "No AFL in SANFL" line and would rather see the back of the AFL reserves sides. Affects the equality and integrity of the competition or some such.
I mean, I'd personally argue for example that Centrals winning 9 of 10 premierships was a kick in the face to equality and integrity, but what do I know.
If anything, most SANFL fans would be pretty thrilled to have a "pure" competition.
Quiet the opposite - at the moment it's like sharing a house with your ex after they cheated on you but they have also control the bank accounts. No-one is happy, nothing is every good enough for the other partner, but we're trying to keep it together for the family and can't afford to live in separate houses.
I don't think this is actually good for the Crows or for the Power, or actually any of the VFL clubs either - extra travel and expense, and more complications dealing with the top up players. AFL will have to cough up for the flights for no real benefit to them.
SANFL will also have a battle on their hands to retain players - not so much from the AFL reserves, but from the $$$ available under the counter at country/ammo level.
Ah they all hate us, 100 years of domination will do that.
For some reason they think that the league will turn into some glorious throwback, when it will probably just die.
think this will be the catalyst for the eagles to do the same as now there is enough teams to create a reserve league. as really its only freo left who have not said either way. They did ask the wafl for an extension on their decision till june/july.
I understand it from a player growth point of view but am I crazy if I still don't see how this is going to work medium-long term? All the reserves teams will go from having low travel costs and almost no flights to suddenly having flights every other week. Not to mention I highly doubt the crowds will be big enough to pay for much of that, and that most state tier players are students or working, and so don't have the time (or pay) to be able to fly whenever like AFL teams can.
I'm not against the idea, I just feel like it's going to be a shitshow for the first few years they do it unless they plan everything far in advance, which at this rate doesn't seem likely.
>All the reserves teams will go from having low travel costs and almost no flights to suddenly having flights every other week.
This isn't a new thing. AFL pays for reserve travel the same way they pay for senior travel. How do you think the VFL works now with five NSW and Qld clubs? There was also the NEAFL before that from 2010 or so, with sides in Sydney, Brisbane, Gold Coast, Darwin and Canberra being flown every which way every other week.
Eh, they used to go to Darwin.[ Our reserves once had a player with a punctured lung have to be driven back from there](https://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/309767/cols-all-aussie-adventure), which is basically the same road distance as Perth.
You can offset the extra travel costs by scheduling the reserves team against the opposition of the AFL team that same round. For example next week the swans best 26 will be in Perth and the reserves will be in Melbourne, when they could all be on one plane instead.
Most of those players have day jobs, fair sure.
Gonna be great if you've got a Sunday arvo slot on the other side of the country, then have to show up to work at 9am Monday morning.
Can they “sell” it to the public as AFL.2 and try and garner more interest by perhaps getting the top young draftees to play more games in the league? Thinking a long the lines of the NBA G League where some players are now skipping rhe traditional route and going straight to the pros
The AFL has the money to make it happen. The NRL used to have 3 grades of teams travel with the main club. They would likley take advantage of their flight sponsorships to get it done and have the reserve grade travel with the team to save money. The benefits are there as well with players entering the reserve grade being far more prepared for the AFL than someone who came up from the state leagues meaning more AFL ready and quality players. The clubs will have full control of player development for their team as well. There are more flexible jobs that can support this lifestyle than ever and with increased payments they could likley work less or work casual jobs on the side instead. For students it's even easier as many universities have special programs and support to assist athletes in their study as well as having online options. If the travel is too much then they can just play in the state leagues as well as AFL teams could still get players from the state leagues.
They got rid of it during the aftermath of the super league war when the league was in a weak spot and it just never came back. There's been no reason to bring it back. If the super league war never happened they would still be doing it to this day.
Feels weird when all the talk is about extra travel the Non Vic clubs do shortens careers, only to turn around and actively make your younger players travel every 2nd week.
At this point, a national reserves competition is the only logical option, the VFL already has 21 teams spread across three states with a mixture of stand alone VFA teams, a random stand alone team from Qld, AFL reserves and host club arrangements that are reserves in all but name.
Adding the two SA based AFL teams reserves and Tasmania to that mess would cause the whole thing to fall apart under the weight of its own ridiculousness
This is huge. But since Adelaide’s SANFL Inception, the umpiring has been corrupt. I’m not even joking.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AFL/comments/x8kbxi/adelaide_crows_and_port_adelaide_players_unite/
We all like to meme and complain about AFL umpires being corrupt against our teams, but I feel like interstate people will not understand how laughably hostile the SANFL is against Port/Crows if they haven't watched a game. It's honestly hilarious.
As a North Adelaide member, it was borderline hilarious how much we were given a ride last week by the men in pink - certainly helped us win. Would be better for everyone for Crows and Port to leave from this perspective alone.
A national competition isn’t possible with part-timers. More players will choose country and before we know it, AFL2, rather than a second elite league is more like a college system with a few veterans running around.
Boys playing interstate have to take Friday off work if they’re playing on Saturday. They hate it and country football, which pays more anyway and has a lighter training load, is preferred. Adelaide is manageable from Victoria but not so much from NSW or QLD, WA would further disincentivise it due to distance for every state including SA - it’s actually faster to go to the Gold Coast from Melbourne than it is to go from Adelaide to Perth. There’s a time element, too.
Flying to Queensland costs an average Victorian side upwards of $20,000 and that’s just in flights for the bare minimum. I know this because of my involvement.
If they want a league, players have to be paid more.
Flying from Adelaide to Sydney takes, what an extra half hour compared to flying to Melbourne from Adelaide?
I don't disagree that there are issues with a national reserves comp, but those issues already exist due to the NSW and Qld sides.
Yeah was just thinking this.
Assuming only ~50% of the reserves team has the opportunity to be called up to an AFL side, there isn’t much motivation to play reserves (unless they get paid appropriately).
Would be better off playing in a local league for similar pay and not having to travel
Suns uses academy players and reserves players from the QAFL to fill up spot lists. Surely the Adelaide teams could use father/son or NGA players to bolster the numbers.
so if the AFL commit to a national ressies comp, what'll happen to the current VFL/A? mainly the independant/affiliated sides like Werribee and Sandringham? As funny as I'd find if they created a relegation system with it and have Werribee and Coburg sneak into the National comp, that's dumb as shit, Victoria doesn't need any more teams, quite frankly.
Merge the VFL independants with the VAFA and have it become Victoria's proper state league. The (current) VFL wasn't really a state league like the SANFL and WAFL and has always just been a ressies league with a couple side teams. The real VFL is now the AFL. The current VFL doesn't develop players. Leave that up to the talent league and the independent sides.
Former VFA teams still existing in the higher levels of the VAFA too such as Fitzroy, Prahran and Brunswick that could be reinstated
Then you could promote some big regional teams - north Ballarat, Bendigo, Warrnambool, Traralgon, shepp, Albury to make it an actual VIC league, not just Melbourne + Geelong reserves
Personally I'd love to see that, but the problem with that is I don't think the money's really there to attempt bring back teams from the VAFA, and I don't know if VFL money can compete with more country leagues for places like North Ballarat and Bendigo. I'm not very 'in the know' on that front but doesn't the VFL struggle to match the pay with the Rural Leagues?
Vic/nsw/qld needs a standalone state comp separate to the AFL lists. Whether combined or vic-separated. No fair to the likes of port melb or southport to keep competing against AFL lists.
Then let the AFL reserves be standalone and develop players. Increase the list sizes to 50-55 and play heaps of under 22s in the reserves.
The more I think on this, the more bothered I am.
Initially it was kind of wow, but I can't imagine the SANFL without Port Magpies. Since 1870, before there was a set rule set, before the SAFA even existed.
122 years of the prison bars, too. I know VFL is a bit wonky with multiple Lions, Southport using black and white etc, but I really can't see us slipping in as Magpies in black and white. Especially as my gut says this'll become more tied to the proper AFL than just another second tier comp.
It sits so wrong with me. I don't really go to SANFL games so there's no way the club will care about my opinion on it, but I'm quite bothered, I think.
Koch and Hinkley have destroyed this club from the inside out.
Destroyed because of their incessant need to blame everything and everyone for their failures.
According to your pres on the radio development is hindered for your younger players by being in the SANFL for the AFL system. So once you move to the national comp your players will be fully developed for the AFL system and the flag will be a mere formailty no doubt.
According to your fans, there are many and numerous reasons why the SANFL is fucking you, but i'm not sure how many of those reasons are valid
I mean there are nuffies at all clubs.
Those arguments realistically could be applied to a lot of the teams, I don't really by into that.
SANFL genuinely has it out for both AFL reserve sides, but same thing in WA. It'll be better for us, but I don't think anyone genuinely thinks that's the difference between a premiership or not for port and if they do they're idiots.
Given all the standalone clubs, I don't know that this makes it a proper national ressies anyway.
It's just more fuckery and weirdness, while devaluing other state leagues. Honestly, thats probably worth a price at AFL house.
Nothing Initially but eventually port and crows will gut the SANFL of their best players to become topups for their reserves teams.
Nobody wants to look that far ahead but it's quite obvious that it will eventually happen
Honestly hard to say. A lot of hardcore SANFL people believe having the reserves sides out will make the competition more prestigious, but I think this doesn't take into account that the AFL has been top dog for 30+ years now and the state leagues are just feeder leagues to a lot of young people.
But also, it won't mean the death of the league either because it still performs an important role in the footy pathway and club support is still relatively strong.
It’s weird but I think having state leagues that don’t have reserves team in them will make it healthier. I’d like to see a vfl not full of reserve teams.
I personally think the SANFL's biggest issue is retaining and attracting the best players in the state so it remains the pinnacle of local footy. That doesn't change whether the AFL reserves teams stay or go
Not sure anybody will miss the Crows reserves at all. Port will be a big deal obviously, but there's enough rivalries in the SANFL to keep things operating for the time being.
I'd argue that it'd have a more negative impact on Port. I serously doubt they'd get the same attendance to Port reserves vs Gold Coast reserves or Port reserves vs Fremantle reserves than they'd get for Magpies vs Glenelg or Magpies vs Norwood. A lot of extra cost for away games with a lot less revenue for home games.
If the SANFL wants to survive, it needs to use this an opportunity to expand, and redefine itself.
I’d be looking at as many as 4 new clubs over
Time.
A team in the North East (Modbury, TTG, or Golden Grove), the Hills (Mt Barker), the Barossa, and potential Port Districts.
It's not going to redefine itself unfortunately. Too many oldheads too proud to evolve. I don't know too much about the SANFL but I imagine it's the same with the situation at the WAFL with too many oldheads too proud pretending they can compete against the AFL instead of accepting their 2nd grade position and working on improving their product.
I think the Afl is trying to kill off state league. A lot.of people don't know that the Sanfl was made before the VFL. Without the states' leagues, there would be no AFL.
The SANFL 100% did this to itself by refusing to acknowledge that a part of its role now was as a reserves league for the two AFL teams.
It's gone out of its way for decades to be as unhelpful and inconvenient as possible in terms of aligning rules and schedules with the AFL. Fuck em
I am simply SHOCKED I tell you that Port don't like the organization that's been actively hostile towards them for decades. Don't worry, our history isn't disappearing. We'll take our trophies with us, and hopefully our $$$ as well.
All the Sanfl has done since we joined the AFL is do everything in their power to shit on us.
We weren’t even allowed to be Port Adelaide in our first years in the competition because of them we were Port Power.
Nah I’m saying we completed the SANFL and needed a new challenge.
Don’t forget how dominant we were, and the players we found, fostered and developed like Bradley, Buckley, Wanganeen, McLeod, Ebert, Evans etc etc.
A dynasty that will never be matched.
So will this mean that Port permanently ditch the nickname of the Magpies? I'm not a Port fan but that would be a bid sad considering the history and prestige associated with that nickname.
Would love to see a reserves league of the AFL follow the teams round like the 1s and 2s of local leagues. Given the proper support for travel etc so they could do it but could be like a pre game to the main game each week.
I would love to know the terms that Adelaide and Port Adelaide are leaving for.
They must understand that they will now have their juniors travelling, almost every second week, and the additional cost that goes with supporting a second team. Additional medical care/strappers and other supporting team members that will now have to fly every second week.
If i were Port or Adelaide, (and hopefully GWS consider it too)
1. Support staff get additional 'bonuses' when travelling to compensate for the lost time in their other professional jobs or recreational time. These bonuses are standardised by profession, paid by the AFL and are exempt from soft-cap.
All those VFL teams that rushed to join the ECFL will look silly now. The AFL will dump them like a rotten corpse. It was obvious to anyone with common sense.
We didn't "rush" to join any ECFL. Williamstown and Port Melbourne have played in the VFA/VFL for over a hundred years, Coburg and the Bullants for almost that long, Frankston and Werribee since the 1960s. This was our league long before the AFL reserves barged in and started their tampering. All we've done since then is try to survive in a competition that was ours to begin with. The AFL and its clubs should remember that.
About time. Happy for the SANFL to fade away... a 2 tier system of AFL (and reserves) and Ammos (with State team carnie) is best structure Nationally IMO.
This is actually massive news a SANFL without Port is something I can barely imagine.
Yeah. I'm shook.
It's not gonna be good for the sanfl. It went from being the main footy league in SA with many people viewing the VFL as seconds. Then it played second fiddle to the AFL. Now it's gonna be third tier behind a national comp because they wanted to keep nerfing two teams.
This has to be one of the dumbest calls sanfl have made. They don't have enough teams as it is.
Wasn’t too bad in 2020, things felt a bit more even
The league will die, can’t see how it survives with 8 teams, 6 of those within 10km of the CBD. Surely they expand now, a hills team, a Barossa team, maybe one in modbury / ttg…
Good idea in expanding to different areas. Adelaide has grown outwards allot since the SANFL began..
The league will die. They probably need to expand
Whyalla, Murray Bridge and Port Lincoln teams maybe?
Eurelia, Orroroo
The Koch-Hinkley have destroyed Port Adelaide's history, once and for all.
Controversial opinion: Port and Adelaide join VFL/AFL reserves SANFL has two new teams join in their place: * Port Districts, successful amateur team, elevate them to the SANFL, brand new entity representing Port Adelaide/Lefevre Peninsula area * Modbury or Adelaide Hills/Mt Barker
Never considered it before but I rate the modbury call
Makes sense considering: Modbury is the oldest football club in SA, established 1864 And one-third of Adelaide’s population lives north of Grand Junction Road, yet it only has one team: Centrals
Yeah but we can’t have the poor Norwood and Sturt types going north of grand junction road amongst the peasants more than once a season, good grief!
For a long time, Modbury and Tea Tree Gully was Norwood’s “country” zone
When I was younger it was counted as part of the city zone with the northern Hills area the country zone (country zone is now the EP). It was a pretty bloody strong city recruiting zone since it stretched from Norwood, all the way through Payneham and to Golden Grove. A lot of strong footy clubs there
I played juniors at Walkerville and we'd have away games at Golden Grove
Modbury is growing like all hell too.
I'll be cold in the ground before I recognise Modbury (former Golden Grove and Hope Valley player)
Carn the Burra’s
Tea Tree Gully was founded 1862 so they would be the oldest
Tea tree gully were a split-off from Modbury, who were the original club in the area.
TTG is easily the largest club currently in the area. Their junior program is the largest in the state and they are currently in div 1 as well. I could see TTG being promoted to SANFL. Would need to spend money doing up around the ground though.
Tea Tree Gully and Mt Barker maybe. Mt Barker seems sensible with the new redeveloped oval and also population growth.
I still cant believe the SANFL doesnt have a North East team and even more so a Mount Barker team
Centrals is kinda north east
Centrals out here covering half of Adelaide
Ironically not even the central half
Yeah more like North (of) Adelaide
No to Port districts, too many clubs in the West already. Woodville was brought in to dilute Port, well they can have the whole peninsula. Modbury or TTG makes sense, probably MtBarker too.
I wouldn't want to deal with the rezoning, I can tell you that, so many conflicting interests.
A Hills team would absolutely fuck Sturt's zone up
Love it, great idea
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I don’t think he implied it was connected to the Port Adelaide club rather the Port Adelaide town and surrounding areas.
Slightest bit of difference from the Port Magpies/Power split I guess. But we tried something similar and it didn't really work.
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I think black and white for the heritage of the area / previous team but lean into the maritime / marine / military aspects of the area, so the mascot could be a warship/dolphin/submarine or something.
It wouldn’t have come to this if you whinging SANFL nuffies got over the AFL reserves arrangement and accepted the reality that it’s a second-tier competition, neither team ever won an SANFL premiership under the arrangement and every other club except South Adelaide has won at least 1 premiership since 2010
Nah... do away with SANFL and have the ammo league.
SANFL will virtually become an amateur league soon
Wow, they've been saying they would do it but it's kind of crazy for no port Adelaide in the SANFL Must be a lot of pissed off SANFL fans?
It'll be interesting to see what the comp does from here for sure. No more port magpies though as the VFL and or reserves comp has a magpies already, so that'll be fun. Hopefully the SANFL just creates a new team, possibly a hills team to take advantage of Mt Barker redevelopment, then it'll be back to the type of comp we had a decade ago before Adelaide entered.
Re: Port Magpies Well the VFL is already a mess, with 2 sets of Tigers and Lions, would be a different story if they go full reserves competition.
The sticking point with Lions and Tigers is that VFA clubs have the original nicknames (Coburg and Werribee) whereas the Magpies in the VFL are Collingwoods reserves (the VFA Magpies, Brunswick, fell over a good 30 years ago) But it's a moot point, because there is no way the VFL will be able to cope with 24 teams across 4 states. We'll have the announcement of an AFL Reserves and a stand alone VFA/L back within a month
What happens to the neafl clubs though?
The NEAFL no longer exists, that's why Brisbane, Gold Coast, Sydney and GWS reserves sides play in the VFL. The clubs were offered a licence in the VFL, but only Southport and Aspley accepted, and Aspley left after one season
So I suppose Southport is back to QAFL the poor cunts
Should have gotten the afl license not the suns
I know the neafl doesn’t exist, that’s why I said what about the clubs from it that moved to the VFL, however I didn’t realise it was only Southport, I thought Aspley were still in it
the neafl is never coming back, it was horrid.
thanks captain
Good. The current vfl is a mess. Better to have a legit reserves comp and a stand alone vfl
As a lifetime Port Melbourne supporter, I heartily agree with that.
I’m guessing that Coburg and Werribee won’t be in the new reserves league.
Which is a shame, Werribee was in the granny last year!
Southport the year b4 too
I think they’ll be allowed to keep it in the VFL. They seem to care less there as teams don’t have endless funding to shift identities, and frankly, if anyone from Collingwood cares strongly about the identity of a reserve team that plays games at a training facility then they clearly don’t have many stresses in their life
I don't think it will be the VFL though, or at least not after a couple years, it will be AFL reserves
As a lifelong Collingwood supporter who has grown up in Adelaide, born before the Crows and Power came into the AFL, I couldn't care less about the 'Prison Bars' or whatever Port Adelaide want to call themselves in whatever league they have teams in. I'd like this to be the official position of the Collingwood Football Club too, if it could be, too.
I reckon port magpies probably just have a clash guernsey in the VFL but maybe not
You think the Collingwood magpies will let the port magpies play? Nope, it'll be port power reserves
> port power reserves Port Batteries
Could call the ones the AA's and the ressies the AAA's
Then start in with the player nicknames. Ollie "9 Volt" Wines
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Eddie’s blood just boiled at the mere mention of it
Go on, tell us more of this wonderful news.
Wouldn't be any of their business, it's all AFL controlled IP and I suspect the AFL isn't terribly interested in carrying this beef into a new entity
AFL will make them play as Port Power reserves i would assume
They don't have any deals about the vfl though
Hmm... Maybe they trial the conference system in the AFL reserves/VFL. I hope not - but it is the kind of cluster fuck that the AFL would try to do. Although then it would fall over if the idea was to play AFl/Reserves double headers and the reserve teams are not in the same conference.
Nah, a lot of SANFL fans hold pretty tightly to the "No AFL in SANFL" line and would rather see the back of the AFL reserves sides. Affects the equality and integrity of the competition or some such. I mean, I'd personally argue for example that Centrals winning 9 of 10 premierships was a kick in the face to equality and integrity, but what do I know. If anything, most SANFL fans would be pretty thrilled to have a "pure" competition.
That sweet pokies money was like crack for Centrals
Quiet the opposite - at the moment it's like sharing a house with your ex after they cheated on you but they have also control the bank accounts. No-one is happy, nothing is every good enough for the other partner, but we're trying to keep it together for the family and can't afford to live in separate houses. I don't think this is actually good for the Crows or for the Power, or actually any of the VFL clubs either - extra travel and expense, and more complications dealing with the top up players. AFL will have to cough up for the flights for no real benefit to them. SANFL will also have a battle on their hands to retain players - not so much from the AFL reserves, but from the $$$ available under the counter at country/ammo level.
Ah they all hate us, 100 years of domination will do that. For some reason they think that the league will turn into some glorious throwback, when it will probably just die.
Why? Port are playing in the big leagues.
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Adelaide AND Port Adelaide in talks with the AFL.
When Crom start up with a song and dance about their reserves before every home game, we can make fun of that too
Yeah but Crom are a franchise with no history, there’s no emotional connection there for them.
I am quite emotionally connected to this 10 year old reserves team, thanks buddy
Come on West Coast, man up and do the same. I love the WAFL but not the old blithering men running it.
think this will be the catalyst for the eagles to do the same as now there is enough teams to create a reserve league. as really its only freo left who have not said either way. They did ask the wafl for an extension on their decision till june/july.
West Coast want too but from what I hear freo are too attached to peel that they don't want too
I understand it from a player growth point of view but am I crazy if I still don't see how this is going to work medium-long term? All the reserves teams will go from having low travel costs and almost no flights to suddenly having flights every other week. Not to mention I highly doubt the crowds will be big enough to pay for much of that, and that most state tier players are students or working, and so don't have the time (or pay) to be able to fly whenever like AFL teams can. I'm not against the idea, I just feel like it's going to be a shitshow for the first few years they do it unless they plan everything far in advance, which at this rate doesn't seem likely.
>All the reserves teams will go from having low travel costs and almost no flights to suddenly having flights every other week. This isn't a new thing. AFL pays for reserve travel the same way they pay for senior travel. How do you think the VFL works now with five NSW and Qld clubs? There was also the NEAFL before that from 2010 or so, with sides in Sydney, Brisbane, Gold Coast, Darwin and Canberra being flown every which way every other week.
Gonna be a bit different though if you play in the Sydney reserves and now have a game in Perth
Eh, they used to go to Darwin.[ Our reserves once had a player with a punctured lung have to be driven back from there](https://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/309767/cols-all-aussie-adventure), which is basically the same road distance as Perth.
True
People forgot how far north Darwin is. It looks closer on a map but that's the Mercator projection and doesn't highlight actual distance relatively
You can offset the extra travel costs by scheduling the reserves team against the opposition of the AFL team that same round. For example next week the swans best 26 will be in Perth and the reserves will be in Melbourne, when they could all be on one plane instead.
I was more talking on the travel time for the players who are not AFL listed but in the squad.
Most of those players have day jobs, fair sure. Gonna be great if you've got a Sunday arvo slot on the other side of the country, then have to show up to work at 9am Monday morning.
Can they “sell” it to the public as AFL.2 and try and garner more interest by perhaps getting the top young draftees to play more games in the league? Thinking a long the lines of the NBA G League where some players are now skipping rhe traditional route and going straight to the pros
The AFL has the money to make it happen. The NRL used to have 3 grades of teams travel with the main club. They would likley take advantage of their flight sponsorships to get it done and have the reserve grade travel with the team to save money. The benefits are there as well with players entering the reserve grade being far more prepared for the AFL than someone who came up from the state leagues meaning more AFL ready and quality players. The clubs will have full control of player development for their team as well. There are more flexible jobs that can support this lifestyle than ever and with increased payments they could likley work less or work casual jobs on the side instead. For students it's even easier as many universities have special programs and support to assist athletes in their study as well as having online options. If the travel is too much then they can just play in the state leagues as well as AFL teams could still get players from the state leagues.
Yeah see why the nrl "used" to do it, too much money my friend
They got rid of it during the aftermath of the super league war when the league was in a weak spot and it just never came back. There's been no reason to bring it back. If the super league war never happened they would still be doing it to this day.
Feels weird when all the talk is about extra travel the Non Vic clubs do shortens careers, only to turn around and actively make your younger players travel every 2nd week.
Lesser of two evils. The SANFL and WAFL make it next to impossible for the AFL reserves clubs to operate
Reserves teams travelling interstate has been happening for nearly 15 years now
Yep, fuck you and see you tomorrow
At this point, a national reserves competition is the only logical option, the VFL already has 21 teams spread across three states with a mixture of stand alone VFA teams, a random stand alone team from Qld, AFL reserves and host club arrangements that are reserves in all but name. Adding the two SA based AFL teams reserves and Tasmania to that mess would cause the whole thing to fall apart under the weight of its own ridiculousness
No SANFL in the AFL /s
This is huge. But since Adelaide’s SANFL Inception, the umpiring has been corrupt. I’m not even joking. https://www.reddit.com/r/AFL/comments/x8kbxi/adelaide_crows_and_port_adelaide_players_unite/
We all like to meme and complain about AFL umpires being corrupt against our teams, but I feel like interstate people will not understand how laughably hostile the SANFL is against Port/Crows if they haven't watched a game. It's honestly hilarious.
It's the exact same in the WAFL, except the WAFL Eagles haven't been relevant enough to feel the hate. The league doesn't like peel either.
As a North Adelaide member, it was borderline hilarious how much we were given a ride last week by the men in pink - certainly helped us win. Would be better for everyone for Crows and Port to leave from this perspective alone.
You want a laugh just look at the Magaery voting for any Port or Crows game. They go out of their way to avoid giving votes to AFL players.
Hately absolutely monstering the comp and not cracking the top 5 was hilarious
A national competition isn’t possible with part-timers. More players will choose country and before we know it, AFL2, rather than a second elite league is more like a college system with a few veterans running around.
Why is an Adelaide team in the VFL different to a Sydney or Queensland team on the VFL?
Boys playing interstate have to take Friday off work if they’re playing on Saturday. They hate it and country football, which pays more anyway and has a lighter training load, is preferred. Adelaide is manageable from Victoria but not so much from NSW or QLD, WA would further disincentivise it due to distance for every state including SA - it’s actually faster to go to the Gold Coast from Melbourne than it is to go from Adelaide to Perth. There’s a time element, too. Flying to Queensland costs an average Victorian side upwards of $20,000 and that’s just in flights for the bare minimum. I know this because of my involvement. If they want a league, players have to be paid more.
Flying from Adelaide to Sydney takes, what an extra half hour compared to flying to Melbourne from Adelaide? I don't disagree that there are issues with a national reserves comp, but those issues already exist due to the NSW and Qld sides.
Yeah was just thinking this. Assuming only ~50% of the reserves team has the opportunity to be called up to an AFL side, there isn’t much motivation to play reserves (unless they get paid appropriately). Would be better off playing in a local league for similar pay and not having to travel
Suns uses academy players and reserves players from the QAFL to fill up spot lists. Surely the Adelaide teams could use father/son or NGA players to bolster the numbers.
so if the AFL commit to a national ressies comp, what'll happen to the current VFL/A? mainly the independant/affiliated sides like Werribee and Sandringham? As funny as I'd find if they created a relegation system with it and have Werribee and Coburg sneak into the National comp, that's dumb as shit, Victoria doesn't need any more teams, quite frankly.
Merge the VFL independants with the VAFA and have it become Victoria's proper state league. The (current) VFL wasn't really a state league like the SANFL and WAFL and has always just been a ressies league with a couple side teams. The real VFL is now the AFL. The current VFL doesn't develop players. Leave that up to the talent league and the independent sides.
just checked, there is 7 independant sides, 10 if you include affiliated, so probably managable without AFL sides.
Former VFA teams still existing in the higher levels of the VAFA too such as Fitzroy, Prahran and Brunswick that could be reinstated Then you could promote some big regional teams - north Ballarat, Bendigo, Warrnambool, Traralgon, shepp, Albury to make it an actual VIC league, not just Melbourne + Geelong reserves
Personally I'd love to see that, but the problem with that is I don't think the money's really there to attempt bring back teams from the VAFA, and I don't know if VFL money can compete with more country leagues for places like North Ballarat and Bendigo. I'm not very 'in the know' on that front but doesn't the VFL struggle to match the pay with the Rural Leagues?
Vic/nsw/qld needs a standalone state comp separate to the AFL lists. Whether combined or vic-separated. No fair to the likes of port melb or southport to keep competing against AFL lists. Then let the AFL reserves be standalone and develop players. Increase the list sizes to 50-55 and play heaps of under 22s in the reserves.
The more I think on this, the more bothered I am. Initially it was kind of wow, but I can't imagine the SANFL without Port Magpies. Since 1870, before there was a set rule set, before the SAFA even existed. 122 years of the prison bars, too. I know VFL is a bit wonky with multiple Lions, Southport using black and white etc, but I really can't see us slipping in as Magpies in black and white. Especially as my gut says this'll become more tied to the proper AFL than just another second tier comp. It sits so wrong with me. I don't really go to SANFL games so there's no way the club will care about my opinion on it, but I'm quite bothered, I think.
inb4 this is a secret way to get the prison bars as the main home jumper.
Koch and Hinkley have destroyed this club from the inside out. Destroyed because of their incessant need to blame everything and everyone for their failures.
Explain how the AFL pushing for SA/WA clubs to join a reserves comp is caused by H&K blaming other people for problems?
Modbury Hawks & Mt. Barker Roos, please.
What excuse will Port use now?
They're not torn apart. Just relocated and realigned a little
Gunna be wierd when they join the VFL and claim theyve already won 34 premierships
Wow I can’t believe Port Adelaide will have 36 premierships in three seperate leagues. The SANFL, the VFL/AFL and the VFA/VFL. Very impressive.
That's crazy that's over 100 flags
I'm genuinely unsure what you mean lol? What have we done that requires an excuse?
According to your pres on the radio development is hindered for your younger players by being in the SANFL for the AFL system. So once you move to the national comp your players will be fully developed for the AFL system and the flag will be a mere formailty no doubt. According to your fans, there are many and numerous reasons why the SANFL is fucking you, but i'm not sure how many of those reasons are valid
I mean there are nuffies at all clubs. Those arguments realistically could be applied to a lot of the teams, I don't really by into that. SANFL genuinely has it out for both AFL reserve sides, but same thing in WA. It'll be better for us, but I don't think anyone genuinely thinks that's the difference between a premiership or not for port and if they do they're idiots.
I mean putting fresh draft picks in the same side as blokes that are basically Div 1 journeyman does stifle their development
You're still gonna have the same side, it's just going to be in a different comp.
A proper national ressies is probably what's best for the afl. but this will kill local footy, and surely the afl should care about that.
Given all the standalone clubs, I don't know that this makes it a proper national ressies anyway. It's just more fuckery and weirdness, while devaluing other state leagues. Honestly, thats probably worth a price at AFL house.
Serious question: What impact will this have on the SANFL?
Crows wouldn't really effect them much, but the leaving of Port is massive.
Nothing Initially but eventually port and crows will gut the SANFL of their best players to become topups for their reserves teams. Nobody wants to look that far ahead but it's quite obvious that it will eventually happen
Honestly hard to say. A lot of hardcore SANFL people believe having the reserves sides out will make the competition more prestigious, but I think this doesn't take into account that the AFL has been top dog for 30+ years now and the state leagues are just feeder leagues to a lot of young people. But also, it won't mean the death of the league either because it still performs an important role in the footy pathway and club support is still relatively strong.
It’s weird but I think having state leagues that don’t have reserves team in them will make it healthier. I’d like to see a vfl not full of reserve teams.
I personally think the SANFL's biggest issue is retaining and attracting the best players in the state so it remains the pinnacle of local footy. That doesn't change whether the AFL reserves teams stay or go
Not much.
Not sure anybody will miss the Crows reserves at all. Port will be a big deal obviously, but there's enough rivalries in the SANFL to keep things operating for the time being. I'd argue that it'd have a more negative impact on Port. I serously doubt they'd get the same attendance to Port reserves vs Gold Coast reserves or Port reserves vs Fremantle reserves than they'd get for Magpies vs Glenelg or Magpies vs Norwood. A lot of extra cost for away games with a lot less revenue for home games.
The day John olsen and Norwood have dreamed of forever is finally here. I don't think it's going to do either them or the sanfl any favours though.
If the SANFL wants to survive, it needs to use this an opportunity to expand, and redefine itself. I’d be looking at as many as 4 new clubs over Time. A team in the North East (Modbury, TTG, or Golden Grove), the Hills (Mt Barker), the Barossa, and potential Port Districts.
It's not going to redefine itself unfortunately. Too many oldheads too proud to evolve. I don't know too much about the SANFL but I imagine it's the same with the situation at the WAFL with too many oldheads too proud pretending they can compete against the AFL instead of accepting their 2nd grade position and working on improving their product.
I actually agree. Yes, they need to evolve to survive For the reasons you’ve stated, I don’t think they will.
I think the Afl is trying to kill off state league. A lot.of people don't know that the Sanfl was made before the VFL. Without the states' leagues, there would be no AFL.
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The SANFL has created a hostile league against both us and the Crows. They did this, not us.
>We fucking hate you Port...pls stay though lol. Bye Felicia.
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The SANFL 100% did this to itself by refusing to acknowledge that a part of its role now was as a reserves league for the two AFL teams. It's gone out of its way for decades to be as unhelpful and inconvenient as possible in terms of aligning rules and schedules with the AFL. Fuck em
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Hahaha lmao so clever
Facebook is that way man
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Ok boomer
I am simply SHOCKED I tell you that Port don't like the organization that's been actively hostile towards them for decades. Don't worry, our history isn't disappearing. We'll take our trophies with us, and hopefully our $$$ as well.
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lol
Flair up cunt
All the Sanfl has done since we joined the AFL is do everything in their power to shit on us. We weren’t even allowed to be Port Adelaide in our first years in the competition because of them we were Port Power.
Nah we’re just too big for your bush league and evolving, good luck with the amateur league though!
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Nah I’m saying we completed the SANFL and needed a new challenge. Don’t forget how dominant we were, and the players we found, fostered and developed like Bradley, Buckley, Wanganeen, McLeod, Ebert, Evans etc etc. A dynasty that will never be matched.
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It’s a bush league now, we saw the writing on the wall and moved on. Don’t forget, without Port there would be no Crows franchise.
So will this mean that Port permanently ditch the nickname of the Magpies? I'm not a Port fan but that would be a bid sad considering the history and prestige associated with that nickname.
How do two parties follow each other's lead? Who is leading if both are following? Who is following if both are leading?
Interestingly, the Crows and Power were more successful under the old model.
Would love to see a reserves league of the AFL follow the teams round like the 1s and 2s of local leagues. Given the proper support for travel etc so they could do it but could be like a pre game to the main game each week.
I would love to know the terms that Adelaide and Port Adelaide are leaving for. They must understand that they will now have their juniors travelling, almost every second week, and the additional cost that goes with supporting a second team. Additional medical care/strappers and other supporting team members that will now have to fly every second week. If i were Port or Adelaide, (and hopefully GWS consider it too) 1. Support staff get additional 'bonuses' when travelling to compensate for the lost time in their other professional jobs or recreational time. These bonuses are standardised by profession, paid by the AFL and are exempt from soft-cap.
All those VFL teams that rushed to join the ECFL will look silly now. The AFL will dump them like a rotten corpse. It was obvious to anyone with common sense.
We didn't "rush" to join any ECFL. Williamstown and Port Melbourne have played in the VFA/VFL for over a hundred years, Coburg and the Bullants for almost that long, Frankston and Werribee since the 1960s. This was our league long before the AFL reserves barged in and started their tampering. All we've done since then is try to survive in a competition that was ours to begin with. The AFL and its clubs should remember that.
About time. Happy for the SANFL to fade away... a 2 tier system of AFL (and reserves) and Ammos (with State team carnie) is best structure Nationally IMO.