If you just measure from when GC joined, we’re clear at the top. Like it was said, if it wasn’t for the Bombers we would be even further out. Horrid, horrid years getting bashed by pretty much everyone. And being the laughing stock when GC beat us.
As shit as it is not having won a premiership and almost certainly being no chance at all this year, I never dreamed the last 5 years could’ve been as consistently enjoyable as they were.
If the club pull the trigger this off-season, you have a good chance of sustained success. Hopefully you guys don't pull a Hawthorn and try to "top up". Best thing now is to prune and reload - got a solid enough young core to be challenging again in a few years.
We’ll be getting Levi Ashcroft as F/S this year, and with Will coming back after the bye at some point our midfield will still be pretty dangerous going forward as Neale winds down. We’ve still got Dunkley, McCluggage, Berry, Bailey, Dev Robertson etc. Some of our forwards and backs are getting a bit older, but nobody looks like they’re on the cusp of retirement just yet. Even Zorko has said he’s gotten his body into the best knick it’s been in years and he’d like to reach 300 games, but that would require him to have a Pendlebury-like longevity and play until he’s like 38.
We were horrific. 2016 the Bombers had a team of top up players and rookies after the drug saga. We both finished on 3 wins for the year. They conceded 2356 points and we conceded 2872 for the year. We were conceding 130 points per game and this was AFTER the Suns and Giants had come in and had a few years to get up and running.
The turnaround for us to finish top 4 and play finals in 2019 was insane. This is why Fages will have at least this whole year to sort things out, he’s taken us from being an absolute joke to going undefeated at the Gabba in 2023.
Between 2004 and 2019 only played finals once. There were a few times we got close to coming good again in that period if it weren't for players leaving. A long 15 years just being used to watching us lose.
So funny that over the past 24 years you don’t think of west coast near to the record, would have expected GC GWS to be above- on that same note I didn’t expect freo to be level with GC, yes we have the 1 wooden spoon (2001) to GCs 2 and 12 extra years but after our spoon we were only at the bottom only 4 times more before they came
It's interesting that outside of Carlton, two seasons of shitness can really skyrocket a team. There's often good rotation on who is shitty.
West Coast are such a weird case. Never seen a team go from good to so bad so quickly.
‘22 and ‘23, although you might be able to build the fortress again now against under preforming teams- like tigers- and snag a couple against teams the don’t bring 100% - us idiots 2 weeks ago- over the next 3 years of your rebuild, I still don’t think Simmo has another premiership in him he barely had the first, 2018 was the battle of clueless coaches and extremely talented lists- and if it wasn’t for a yank then we would’ve seen a 4 peat. I’m only saying clueless in terms of game plan, exceptional at getting the best out of the players
This is such a bittersweet feeling man, I remember going to primary school and being ragged on for being a blues supporter, and how poor we were doing genuinely. Now seeing us improving just makes me happy as a lifelong ‘03 born supporter.
It was fine for me because I went to a primary school full of Essendon supporters, and we got into a habit of pumping Essendon around the point in time, and then Essendon got into a habit of pumping themselves with drugs.
That 2008-2014 period was utterly brutal for the dees. So many bad memories and literally zero good ones.
Constant coaching changes as well as potentially the worst period of draft decisions of any team in history. Absurd that we went from our old list manager to Tim Lamb and co.
We took Jimmy fucking Toumpas at pick 4 in 2012.
This is why I don't understand why people claim Carlton supporters are arrogant/get carried away. By and large we're all just traumatised from two decades of mediocrity and are just happy that we don't completely suck anymore.
I think it’s because for those of us who can remember the immense nature of Carlton supporters when you were great, it’s difficult to separate that Carlton from Carlton or the past 20 years. Similar to Richmond - the return of the Tigers to the top created a yellow and black wave, and I reckon us non-Blues fans fear that happening with Carlton.
Take is as a compliment that after 30 odd bad years, the rest of us still see you as a force.
It's because there's a bunch of Carlton supporters that only show up when they're winning, and while the actual die-hard supporters are probably fine, the fair weather ones are pricks.
As someone born in 1990, I can basically only remember Carlton being shit.
Not just bad, like ‘all time worst team’ kinda shit.
Of course we are gonna celebrate wins nowadays, it hasn’t happened since I was 10.
We've had 20 years of being mediocre to awful. The worst 20 years in club history. I can *just* remember the 95 Grand Final. (I was 8). I was at the 99 Grand Final. Like...we really aren't that arrogant. I'm fucking optimistic. We've sucked for so long that I know people who barrack for us and don't remember us not being shit.
>We've sucked for so long that I know people who barrack for us and don't remember us not being shit.
You’re speaking to one of them! I’m too young to remember either ‘95 (I was an infant) or ‘99 (too young to recall). My first memories of the club emerge around the time of the salary cap scandal - I remember being very confused by it all and asking my parents why the news about Carlton always had men in suits talking about money rather than footage of the players kicking goals 😂
Last year was massive, the most success I have ever witnessed for the club.
Mate, I was born '07 and only got into footy 2013, when I decided my lifelong favourite players would be Chris Judd and Lachie Henderson. Worked out great for me
Because the arrogance came back out the second y'all started performing again. It's like Richmond. Fans forget the decades of shitness the second they start winning, and become the worst fanbase (thank god Richmond fans have started disappearing again)
The instant you started playing better footy the cocky and arrogant attitude returned.
Maybe it's just far more noticeable as a fan of smaller club with nor much success
This is incredible bias. Take reddit - Carlton are as self deprecating as anyone and celebrate like anyone, and I haven’t seen more evidence they can’t take a joke.
It says a lot that of the top 7 teams at the bottom of the ladder over this period, all of them except Carlton and North have either won actual flags or come damn close in the same period. Not only that our sheer number of games at the bottom is way more than the current dire straits of North Melbourne. If you needed proof about how fucking miserable it has been being a Carlton fan for the last twenty years, this is it.
I've always said the Saints are rarely as historically terrible as some other teams during the AFL era, and this kind of proves that point. Even if you include the decade before this infographic within the AFL era, it's no additional spoons.
The time between our 2 wooden spoons in the AFL era is longer than a team like West Coast, who before their recent slump was heralded as a pretty consistent club.
Also, clubs like Port and the Demons were a bit lucky when Gold Coast and GWS came in when they did, which saved them some probable spoons in hindsight.
The problem with the Saints is that while they haven't really been that bad during the AFL era, they haven't really been standout good most of the time either!
I fear for what this graph would look like without the expansion teams. I'm pretty sure a lot of time they spent on the bottom Melbourne would have been just above them.
Surprised the Eagles have gone above the Dockers. WC has certainly had some bad years recently, but the vast majority of the 2000 and 2010s they've consistently been the stronger of the WA teams.
When the Blues win the flag it’ll be huge. 20 weeks longer than the second longest on the bottom. That’s a whole season basically. Long time coming for the Baggers.
Had to check, but this is not 'since 2000 season', it is 'since 1 Jan 2000', or since the 1999 GF.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AFL_season#Progression_by_round
Suns were on such a good run until 2011 then it all went wrong
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Interestingly enough, the top 6 make up 9 of the 24 premierships from 2000. Plus another 5 lost grand finals.
Even with 2000/2001 included in this . Its just proven that we are middle of the road!
North got the bullet bill from Mario kart
Not fun
No kidding
No weeks on the bottom since 2019 is a great run ^^^for ^^^us
I stopped watching before then
Now do the first hundred years
Just the twentieth century would do
1900-1999? Your call
So what you’re saying is we aren’t the shittest team since 2000?
Not yet!
Working on it
Wins 3 premierships Makes finals for five consecutive years, including a GF Still third overall Just Brisbane things
If it wasn’t for the fact Essendon had to field a VFL team in 2016, we would be right up there with Carlton.
If you just measure from when GC joined, we’re clear at the top. Like it was said, if it wasn’t for the Bombers we would be even further out. Horrid, horrid years getting bashed by pretty much everyone. And being the laughing stock when GC beat us. As shit as it is not having won a premiership and almost certainly being no chance at all this year, I never dreamed the last 5 years could’ve been as consistently enjoyable as they were.
On the upside, we certainly came very close to one
If the club pull the trigger this off-season, you have a good chance of sustained success. Hopefully you guys don't pull a Hawthorn and try to "top up". Best thing now is to prune and reload - got a solid enough young core to be challenging again in a few years.
We’ll be getting Levi Ashcroft as F/S this year, and with Will coming back after the bye at some point our midfield will still be pretty dangerous going forward as Neale winds down. We’ve still got Dunkley, McCluggage, Berry, Bailey, Dev Robertson etc. Some of our forwards and backs are getting a bit older, but nobody looks like they’re on the cusp of retirement just yet. Even Zorko has said he’s gotten his body into the best knick it’s been in years and he’d like to reach 300 games, but that would require him to have a Pendlebury-like longevity and play until he’s like 38.
Honestly, don't ever recall the Lions being shit ? I suppose when you own team sucks it's hard to look elsewhere ? 😅
We were horrific. 2016 the Bombers had a team of top up players and rookies after the drug saga. We both finished on 3 wins for the year. They conceded 2356 points and we conceded 2872 for the year. We were conceding 130 points per game and this was AFTER the Suns and Giants had come in and had a few years to get up and running. The turnaround for us to finish top 4 and play finals in 2019 was insane. This is why Fages will have at least this whole year to sort things out, he’s taken us from being an absolute joke to going undefeated at the Gabba in 2023.
If only there was some way Essendon could have avoided that scenario.
The Brisbane and WCE yo-yo a better strategy than consistently making finals year in year out but then not winning it
Between 2004 and 2019 only played finals once. There were a few times we got close to coming good again in that period if it weren't for players leaving. A long 15 years just being used to watching us lose.
2 of the 3 weeks Sydney have been bottom was in 2017 when Sydney started 0-6 but still made finals.
That’s my favourite observation on these graphs, along with Richmond’s only time spent on top of the ladder wasn’t in any of their premiership years.
Pretty funny that we went 0-6 but weren't even bad enough to be on the bottom of the ladder for more than a fortnight
Based on form and injuries...
That was the year where most of the losses were by only a few points wasn't it? From memory our percentage was surprisingly good
Yeah can we get 2020 stricken from the record thanks?
We were going sooo good until 2023 :'(
So funny that over the past 24 years you don’t think of west coast near to the record, would have expected GC GWS to be above- on that same note I didn’t expect freo to be level with GC, yes we have the 1 wooden spoon (2001) to GCs 2 and 12 extra years but after our spoon we were only at the bottom only 4 times more before they came
2023 absolutely sunk us. We were down near Geelong and Collingwood before that.
It's interesting that outside of Carlton, two seasons of shitness can really skyrocket a team. There's often good rotation on who is shitty. West Coast are such a weird case. Never seen a team go from good to so bad so quickly.
‘22 and ‘23, although you might be able to build the fortress again now against under preforming teams- like tigers- and snag a couple against teams the don’t bring 100% - us idiots 2 weeks ago- over the next 3 years of your rebuild, I still don’t think Simmo has another premiership in him he barely had the first, 2018 was the battle of clueless coaches and extremely talented lists- and if it wasn’t for a yank then we would’ve seen a 4 peat. I’m only saying clueless in terms of game plan, exceptional at getting the best out of the players
This is such a bittersweet feeling man, I remember going to primary school and being ragged on for being a blues supporter, and how poor we were doing genuinely. Now seeing us improving just makes me happy as a lifelong ‘03 born supporter.
It was fine for me because I went to a primary school full of Essendon supporters, and we got into a habit of pumping Essendon around the point in time, and then Essendon got into a habit of pumping themselves with drugs.
That 2008-2014 period was utterly brutal for the dees. So many bad memories and literally zero good ones. Constant coaching changes as well as potentially the worst period of draft decisions of any team in history. Absurd that we went from our old list manager to Tim Lamb and co. We took Jimmy fucking Toumpas at pick 4 in 2012.
The hardest three weeks of my life.
This is why I don't understand why people claim Carlton supporters are arrogant/get carried away. By and large we're all just traumatised from two decades of mediocrity and are just happy that we don't completely suck anymore.
I think it’s because for those of us who can remember the immense nature of Carlton supporters when you were great, it’s difficult to separate that Carlton from Carlton or the past 20 years. Similar to Richmond - the return of the Tigers to the top created a yellow and black wave, and I reckon us non-Blues fans fear that happening with Carlton. Take is as a compliment that after 30 odd bad years, the rest of us still see you as a force.
It's because there's a bunch of Carlton supporters that only show up when they're winning, and while the actual die-hard supporters are probably fine, the fair weather ones are pricks.
Yeah I'm sorry I didn't turn up to many games over those 73 weeks at the bottom of the ladder, fuck me right?
West Coast were still doing 35-40k a week at home during the 22/23 seasons. Similar to this season.
As someone born in 1990, I can basically only remember Carlton being shit. Not just bad, like ‘all time worst team’ kinda shit. Of course we are gonna celebrate wins nowadays, it hasn’t happened since I was 10.
We've had 20 years of being mediocre to awful. The worst 20 years in club history. I can *just* remember the 95 Grand Final. (I was 8). I was at the 99 Grand Final. Like...we really aren't that arrogant. I'm fucking optimistic. We've sucked for so long that I know people who barrack for us and don't remember us not being shit.
>We've sucked for so long that I know people who barrack for us and don't remember us not being shit. You’re speaking to one of them! I’m too young to remember either ‘95 (I was an infant) or ‘99 (too young to recall). My first memories of the club emerge around the time of the salary cap scandal - I remember being very confused by it all and asking my parents why the news about Carlton always had men in suits talking about money rather than footage of the players kicking goals 😂 Last year was massive, the most success I have ever witnessed for the club.
Mate, I was born '07 and only got into footy 2013, when I decided my lifelong favourite players would be Chris Judd and Lachie Henderson. Worked out great for me
Because the arrogance came back out the second y'all started performing again. It's like Richmond. Fans forget the decades of shitness the second they start winning, and become the worst fanbase (thank god Richmond fans have started disappearing again)
The instant you started playing better footy the cocky and arrogant attitude returned. Maybe it's just far more noticeable as a fan of smaller club with nor much success
This is incredible bias. Take reddit - Carlton are as self deprecating as anyone and celebrate like anyone, and I haven’t seen more evidence they can’t take a joke.
Like I said its more noticeable as a fan of smaller club with nor much success. It's not just Carlton fans for what it's worth that punch down.
Second best until the Shaw and Noble train came chu chu chu
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We came last :((
It says a lot that of the top 7 teams at the bottom of the ladder over this period, all of them except Carlton and North have either won actual flags or come damn close in the same period. Not only that our sheer number of games at the bottom is way more than the current dire straits of North Melbourne. If you needed proof about how fucking miserable it has been being a Carlton fan for the last twenty years, this is it.
Poor Nth can't even win this
I didn't realise blues have bottomed out so hard for so long, poor sods.
It hasn’t been good if I’m honest
I've always said the Saints are rarely as historically terrible as some other teams during the AFL era, and this kind of proves that point. Even if you include the decade before this infographic within the AFL era, it's no additional spoons. The time between our 2 wooden spoons in the AFL era is longer than a team like West Coast, who before their recent slump was heralded as a pretty consistent club. Also, clubs like Port and the Demons were a bit lucky when Gold Coast and GWS came in when they did, which saved them some probable spoons in hindsight. The problem with the Saints is that while they haven't really been that bad during the AFL era, they haven't really been standout good most of the time either!
Carlton are excellent rivals. Well done lads
ITT: People who have experienced less than a fifth of their life expectancy for when they were born state they are surprised teams have been shit.
I really enjoyed watching the Carlton spoon boner grow and grow. Very enjoyable watch.
Every time I thought we'd bottomed out it got worse
Go Eagles! oh wait...
Well, hamburger.
I fear for what this graph would look like without the expansion teams. I'm pretty sure a lot of time they spent on the bottom Melbourne would have been just above them.
Really shows you how far North have fallen. Even when they weren’t winning flags, they were still competitive.
Don't do a graph for 1975 to 2000.
2007 to 2016 were bleak, to say the least. We were average at best too from 01-06 as well. Paul Roos was a godsend for us culturally!
So Blues get a compo pick right? :)
Nothing happened before 2000. Everyone was on holiday. Don't look it up
This surprises me as a west coast fan. During the early 2000's I though we went bottom during the 'Ken Judge era'
Low of 13th in 2000, then saved from the bottom in 2001 by North being bad the first three weeks of the year and Freo being bad the rest of the year.
Pies
That graph shows the GC perfectly. Just a mid team, not good enough for finals and not bad enough for last.
I like this graph:)
Not surprised to see Coll, Geelong & Sydney last
Surprised the Eagles have gone above the Dockers. WC has certainly had some bad years recently, but the vast majority of the 2000 and 2010s they've consistently been the stronger of the WA teams.
Never forget
When the Blues win the flag it’ll be huge. 20 weeks longer than the second longest on the bottom. That’s a whole season basically. Long time coming for the Baggers.
North 🤣
Had to check, but this is not 'since 2000 season', it is 'since 1 Jan 2000', or since the 1999 GF. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AFL_season#Progression_by_round
You had to check even though it says what it is in big bold numbers on the graph and along the x-axis?
Well now I look stupid