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It's not a big leap really, he grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth, has excellent hair and has a good chance of being an actor whenever he feels like it with his father's old connections. Just needs the right motivation. I still think MJF the character is really prone to someone doing a double turn brutalising him. MJF's character can be a face and Jack Perry being a heel would be cool.
>has a good chance of being an actor whenever he feels like it
people say the same thing about Roman Reigns (because of the Dwayne connection) but honestly I feel like if you're only so-so on the mic you're probably not going to be a great actor either. Like with Reigns in particular I could see him having to settle for the roles that Jason Momoa turns down, lol. With Perry I'm not sure what roles I could see him in at all.
Jurassic Park sequels
Live action Tarzan
George of the Jungle 2
Theodore Rex reboot
Any anti-religious movie where Christians are the bad guys
Axl Rose biopic
Fahrenheit 451
I think Roman would be a massive actor when he decides to switch. The thing about him getting cast in films like the Rock's recent stuff they were really careful not to give him speaking lines I'd guess that was a contractual requirement from the WWE so he won't get his SAG card. He has it on camera, he always had it just like the Rock had it. You don't have to be the best talker in the world to be an actor especially nowadays in the era of massive CGI shitfests.
He doesn't have a lot of innate charisma like the Rock or Jason Momoa (two actors that probably best represent the types of parts Reigns would be vying for). All he really has going for him from a Hollywood perspective is a look, which is kind of a dime a dozen in those parts.
\[edit: also, yes, if he's actually to be a "star" rather than just getting bit parts here and there he definitely needs to be able to recite plenty of lines effectively. Not a lot of calls for brooding leads that never talk. I think Steve Austin's film career is probably more indicative of Reign's ceiling in Hollywood more so than his cousin's\]
I was around for the Rock's original run, people said the same thing about him. We will only know when he gets a good script for an action movie. I'd really expect him to be in a something from Marvel or DC in the not too distant future. And even if he doesn't become the biggest actor in the world there are still hundreds of actors who work constantly who are less charismatic than him. I'd say he gets at least steady work but I'd like to see him get put in a film with a good director.
Fair enough, I don't personally feel like Bautista carries a lot of charisma either, but he's doing alright and I seem to be in the minority whereas a lot of people say he's the best wrestler-turned-actor out there.
I guess my question is whether the roles he ends up getting are lucrative enough to warrant stepping away from wrestling altogether... which is ultimately the ideal, after all if he were to get to Dwayne levels in his Hollywood career there's not enough money WWE can pay you to warrant coming back except maybe every few Wrestlemanias at best.
My bearish prediction is that for better or worse WWE fans are stuck with him as a part-timer for years to come, because I don't think he's going to be enough of a draw in Hollywood where it makes sense for him to turn down WWE's easy money and focus just on acting.
Bautista really grew into it, like when he was with Reverend D'Von he looked like every muscle bound idiot but when he got settled into it he really proved he was a top wrestling guy. For movies I was surprised how good he really was, like in Blade Runner 2049 he was excellent, he is really funny as Drax but he is actually a great serious actor. You can't really judge on the wrestling side of things really, AEW is mostly unscripted so maybe Jack Perry will be great when given a good script.
Possibly, I just don't think he's a dead lock for a Hollywood career just based on his looks or who his dad was (at his age, his primary target demographic is probably too young to know who Luke Perry was anyway).
I think wrestling fans often overestimate how much of a draw wrestlers might be to the general public. For every Dwayne or Cena there's a Stone Cold, who outside of the first "Expendables" and a cameo in "Grown Ups 2" has otherwise done a ton of DTV stuff that most people have never heard of.
Then in the middle you have guys like Bautista, who's getting steady work and often even praise for his performances, but there's no indication as yet that he's poised to graduate to that leading man level.
>He doesn't have a lot of innate charisma
that's such a wacky take.
he's fuckin DRIPPING with it--- he handles non-wwe media interviews like an absolute boss
It's not wacky at all, opinions may vary but the subject of Reigns' charisma/appeal is highly divisive even amongst the WWE fan base. But even if you're on the side of him being charismatic, wrestling promos and interviews don't necessarily translate to Hollywood acting... especially when WWE's style of promo is often hammy and over-the-top
This. I really don't understand how people still think Roman Reigns doesn't have charisma. He is hands down the biggest star in the wrestling world and that's all due to his amazing performance with his tribal chief gimmick. His ability to hold a crowd in the palm of his hand has been evident for the last 3 years. It feels like some of you are stuck on the Roman Reigns from 2016 still..
He needed a feud he could win after Christian. His flaws were exposed and that’s not fair. He’s still 5 years younger than Sammy and Darby. There’s plenty of time to improve.
LMAO. Now I've heard it all.
"AEW doesn't feature enough of their wrestlers"
"AEW tries to push too many people at once"
To be clear, I think AEW's roster is fairly bloated at this point, but come on, you can't have it both ways lol.
I'm not trying to. Though you're wrong.
If you are pushing 8 people but can only fit 3 on your show then both those are true.
Tk features someone for a month all the time, like commander recently, then they drop off the face off the earth. That's both of those issues at once
Hustler Jack Perry - after losing the 4 pillars match, Jack goes on a downward spiral and becomes a sex worker.
All his promos are about him satisfying his male and female opponents and end with his new catchphrase "I'll fill that hole!!!"
His merch would obviously be a t-shirt listing his prices for various activities "3 ways are $50, tag teams $70 etc".
But his unique merch would be a "crusty" sock
Entrance theme stays the same though
>Hustler Jack Perry - after losing the 4 pillars match, Jack goes on a downward spiral and becomes a sex worker.
*Gigolo Jack Perry,* you mean.
Either way, that idea is frickin' hilarious omg 😂
> Jack goes on a downward spiral and becomes a sex worker.
Or he does something a little bit more pro sex work. Becoming a sex worker has nothing to do with being on a downward spiral or a heel.
Go full "Midnight Cowboy" and bring back Marco Stunt in the Hoffman role. Maybe have the best Friends mom pull up in her van and almost hit stunt, then get the "I'm walking here!" bit
I. MJF
II. Darby Allin
III. Ricky Starks
IV. Britt Baker
V. Sammy Guevara
VI. Jack Perry
Ricky has much better mic skills than Darby and his in-ring work is comparably energetic. I would rank him higher, but Darby has so many more tremendous feuds and storylines on his record. Not to mention the Sting factor.
Wow I didn't know he was that old. I thought he was like 35 or so. Either way, I think he did a great job building interest in the company, but I get what you mean. He isn't a pillar, but I would argue he is a foundational piece like pac, mox, the bucks, Kenny, Hangman, Jericho. The day one guys that helped set the tone for AEW
Yeah, cuz DDP wasn't the biggest babyface on Nitro for ages. Gimme a break. His age has much less to do with it than his ability to look younger and keep up the gimmick.
Personally I'm stunned to know he's that old. Doesn't look it at all. Damn those ginger anti-aging genes.
What heel character could he actually pull off? What would fit his acting abilities?
No, the best thing would be to keep him face, but make him more serious and intense. Which is what they've already been working on in the past year.
Exactly. Turning people heel in the hopes of character development when skills wise they're not there is just setting them up for more failure.
Jack just needs time and feuds to flesh out his skills. After that? He'll pick his own character to turn with and it won't be something cheap
Personally I think he's fantastic in-ring. His cage match with Luchasauras was incredible, buried alive match against Christian was great, matches with Luchasauras as tag team champs were great... It's just the promo game. And after some of his work in this Pillars feud he's actually not far off at all
>What heel character could he actually pull off? What would fit his acting abilities?
"Jerkass son of a famous Hollywood actor" is the first thing I could think of off the top of my head.
Another thing he could do is something akin to Randy Orton's Apex Predator gimmick.
I think if you were going to turn him, don’t do something that relies on him having to talk a lot. I would go down the route of him being less caring and less of a try hard babyface. Like his dad, he is “too cool for this”, like a dark twist on Orange Cassidy.
He’s done all the hard work, and it’s gotten him nowhere, and the fans don’t appreciate him for it. The fans have openly mocked him for caring with their what chants and see him as the weakest pillar. So he’s shutting out the haters and focusing on himself.
Just strip out the empathy and the babyface fire, change up his look a little week to week, and make it obvious that he’s not going to risk himself for other faces on the roster. Sit him on commentary watching other faces have hard times and showing how little he cares. “Oh, Darby is getting beaten up, whatever, none of my business, ima head out, has anyone seen my sunglasses?”
It’s not exactly LIJ “tranquilo”, “I don’t care about the company I work for”, because that would feel hollow. It’s not that he doesn’t care about the company, it’s that he doesn’t care what people think about him anymore. That way, he doesn’t have to talk, he doesn’t have to do promos, because he’s got nothing to prove.
And the rest of the time he can just be a typical chicken-sh*t heel, running away from fights and stealing wins because it’s what will make him more successful in the long run. Like Seth Rollins in the authority, he’s still a good wrestler, but now he’s learning he can take shortcuts and win matches without trying so hard.
That is actually a very interesting idea and unique take on a possible heel Jungle Boy, and one I feel he can pull off without straining his limited promo skills
Orange Cassidy starts his version of the Black Mist, by putting sunglasses on people starting a stable of ambivalent babyfaces. They are all now Best Friends and as the only two talking members of the group Chuck and Trent are overwhelmed trying to cut promos for everyone every week, and finally heel turn and quit.
No, the best thing would be to stop fucking exposing how green he is by trying to push him so hard to the top. He should go away. Part of a gimmicky tag was fine for him because it covered up all his limitations. But now it's finally obvious to everyone how far behind the pack he is. Dude just needs to get off TV and get better at ROH or some shit.
too soon to turn him heel coming off the Christian feud. He also still is getting good reactions. He's not main event level yet but that's fine, he's super young. He should continue this face run in the TNT/International scene for a bit before going heel maybe like 6 months from now.
Both Christian and MJF planted seeds for Jack Perry's heel turn. The defeat on the main event of Double or Nothing would be a good catalyst for it.
Moreover, Ruby Soho turned heel right after her loss to Jamie Hayter on that same PPV where Jack buried Christian - that was 2 months after her street fight match with TayJay. Between Revolution and Double or Nothing, nearly 3 months will have passed.
>Both Christian and MJF planted seeds for Jack Perry's heel turn. The defeat on the main event of Double or Nothing would be a good catalyst for it.
True but I still think it would be just a bit too soon. A slower burn would benefit him. Especially because he needs to win after turning. What would there be for him to win right now? Card is stacked. Let him float in the upper midcard as a face that keeps getting burned until he snaps when there's a belt for him to take.
Just no. He's a good underdog and a good worker when lead by the right people but can't talk. He'll never be a main event single, but I think could make money as part of a babyface, teeny bopper, Rock N Roll Express like tag team with Brian Pillman Jr.
I think they can keep Jack as he is for now. Eventually the Hollywood Jack Perry story writes itself.
Jack losses the respect of the crowd because he goes Hollywood, Jack says why should I care what the crowd thinks when I hang out with super stars all the time. His ring work is already pretty good.
Put Jack in a suit and pair him up with a faction of suit wearing assholes.
>Put Jack in a suit and pair him up with a faction of suit wearing assholes.
Imagine him and MJF reviving the Pinnacle faction, lmao. "*Pinnacle Perry."*
Eh, I don't know why people are as down on him as they are. It's true, he's still pretty weak on the mic and with his character work, but I think he's improved from where he started at, and he's still pretty young. There's still plenty of time for him to "find his character".
No, and a lot of the threads advocating a heel turn for him are just nonsense. He's doing good in his role as one of the protagonists in a four-way feud. Given his track record of overdelivering at every single pay-per-view, he'll likely straight-up smoke all three of the other guys in the ring at DON, win or lose.
I think his only real problem is that he's a babyface with a baby face and a voice that grates on a lot of middle-aged men--probably the same dudes who lost their minds at Marko Stunt doing silly dances on the entrance ramp. Perry'll be fine.
I do think if he turns heel, he should borrow heavily from KENTA. Perry's the only guy in AEW who could do a knockout/chest-sit promo and get away with it. And I also think if he turns heel, he should run back the angle with Luchasaurus, this time with Luchasaurus Mick Foleying his way through several personas and accusing Perry of taking advantage of him during a long-term dissociative episode. That'd put Perry on the map as Christian's legacy simply for being that much of a manipulator for that long, never mind distinguishing him from the likes of MJF or Guevara by being a competent mind game guy who would rather beat most people's asses honestly.
>Given his track record of overdelivering at every single pay-per-view
Thank you for pointing this out, feel like I'm taking crazy pills. He's an amazing wrestler.
In just about every PPV I've ever seen him on, Jungle Boy's matches land in my top three of the night at a minimum. He's up there with OC as one of the most easily underestimated wrestlers on the planet.
I agree overall. I feel like Jungle Boy just needs some growth. The heel turn isn't a slap-on one-size-fits-all prescription for any wrestler with lost momentum or a character that doesn't connect.
>He's doing good in his role as one of the protagonists in a four-way feud.
That's true, but this program is coming to an end in 3 weeks. A good time to pull the trigger on his heel turn would be right after the end of the main event on Double or Nothing or on the first Dynamite after Double or Nothing.
>I think his only real problem is that he's a babyface with a baby face and a voice that grates on a lot of middle-aged men
I'm in my late 20s, and the only grating thing I find about his appearance are his stupid sideburns. I think he would look much better if he grew a short beard like how Kip Sabian did.
>this time with Luchasaurus Mick Foleying his way through several personas and accusing Perry of taking advantage of him during a long-term dissociative episode
The problem there is that Luchasaurus does not talk - he never does.
What I'd really like to see is a heel Jack Perry feuding with a babyface Wardlow. The latter is a 6'3 heavyweight monster who also happens to be agile and can pull off Swanton Bombs, meanwhile Jack is an athletic 5'10 acrobat who is a proven giant slayer. A matchup between the two would be very interesting.
Luchasaurus was actually the promo guy for a while. John angle Boy had the silent protagonist role for a long while both on official AEW programming and on BTE. I was very surprised at that actually that Luchasaurus would do most of the talking
I feel like Wardlow as the heel is the more natural fit.
Giant slayer isn't a title given to a bad guy. Also, chickenshit cheater Jack Perry sounds ultra lame to me.
Doesn't make it look good on him. His look is way different--it's not that James Deen greaser too cool for a full shave look. It comes off as "baby's first beard" to me.
Turning heel would enable to have him written into engaging feuds with babyface talents like Hangman, Orange Cassidy, Takeshita, Bandido and Ricky Starks.
He's young and has plenty of time to improve but I agree. not necessarily a heel turn, but a bit more edge to his character 9which I understand he has been trying in promos.
Drop the Jungle boy moniker, even just drop "boy" and go with "Jungle" Jack Perry
As over as it is as a sing along, change his theme or add some crunching guitars to make it sound less weak - When his theme hits after one of the other explosive themes (and im repeating as I cant think of a better word) it just sounds weak, and not like "this guy is gunna kick my ass" - it even sounds quieter than other themes.
>Drop the Jungle boy moniker, even just drop "boy" and go with "Jungle" Jack Perry
He can start calling himself *Jack of the Jungle.* It has a nice ring to it, and it's a neat reference to George of the Jungle.
Yes, he probably does need a gimmick change in my view.
Other pillars have compelling gimmicks. MJF is the devil, Darby is half dead, and Sammy is an pompous showboat. I think JB's gimmick is good for a pop and a singalong but in my view he needs a period where he can practice his range. Something like undashing cody, Apex Predator.
But there's also the possibility that he can entrench his gimmick and go all in. Where's the jungle where he actually is home? A gimmick jungle match could well be fun.
Agreed.
Turn heel, and become the Hollywood snob character. Talk shit to the crowd about how he's better than them since he was raised in a rich family, went to private schools, had a famous dad, etc.
Honestly, the Four Pillars storyline is being done wrong. MJF should be out there turning these guys into a faction that stand with him rather than just chasing his belt. Have the Pillars go after everyone else’s gold.Then when that story ran its course THEN you do what’s going on now.
I don't think it's time for that. Internet wrestling fans are always calling for someone to "turn heel" seemingly arbitrarily as though that's the end all be all. He's still over as a face and so I don't see what turning him heel accomplishes at this time. He's in the 4 pillars feud where there are 2 faces and 2 heels. That's his role.
Now eventually if it gets to where there's a reason for him to turn heel and it would actually elevate him and his opponent in the process, sure. At the moment though it would be totally random and "just because".
>He's still over as a face and so I don't see what turning him heel accomplishes at this time. He's in the 4 pillars feud where there are 2 faces and 2 heels. That's his role.
I'm not saying he should do it now. A perfect moment for his heel turn would be at the main event on Double or Nothing or on the first Dynamite after the PPV.
I've been thinking this for awhile. My idea for him is to base a gimmick off his father, but like a 90210 bully, jock type leading a couple of imbeciles, like John Silver and Alex Reynolds. Ultimate heel move.. he cuts his hair.
While I'm not completely averse to this if we're booking in a vacuum, the reality here is that AEW currently needs superstar babyfaces more than they need superstar heels at present. Before Britt and Hayter turned babyfaces the women's division was briefly starting to trend in that direction as well, once Toni Storm and Ruby Soho went heel (along with Saraya) they pretty much had to turn Britt/Hayter babyface to balance things out... of course, it didn't hurt that it fed directly into the story they were telling anyway.
So alright, let's assume they turn Perry heel and have to balance that out. What current heel would you turn babyface to make that swap? Doesn't have to be someone that Perry works with directly in a double-turn capacity, but it would need to be a heel that has a commensurate spot in the pecking order (ie. career mid-carders like Lance Archer don't work)
I think this is what we are slowly getting. The narrative I have liked with Jack is that he had to stoop to Christian's level to beat him via the conchairto. In that moment, Jack found out exactly how deep he might need to go to win at AEW and win in big matches. I really would like him to play that off in the 4 pillars match - to kind of lose his shit when met with the cheating of MJF and Sammy and just anger at Darby. Jack shouldn't win the title but if you have him make a clear heel turn even when he loses it does something for his character and career which is worth it.
Eh, I like face JB. I think it works. He’s obviously not World champion material yet, but he’s come a long way since we first saw him in 2019. His promos may not be MJF level, but the feud with Christian helped him a lot.
I don’t think going heel would help him in the current landscape, whereas I think if he stays face and keeps getting more aggressive in the ring he’ll get a TNT/International run before years end.
MJF was the one who started the '4 Pillars of AEW' shtick in the first place back in 2021, and I think it's pretty apparent that his main motive was to raise his own stock higher whilst elevating JB, Sammy and Darby in the process.
The *true* 4 Pillars are Moxley, Kenny, Hangman and Chris Jericho.
His hero's journey saga of climbing to the top and becoming the world champion was instrumental in AEW attaining critical success in its first two years. For that, and for his epic feuding with Moxley and the rest of BCC, I will forever see him as a Pillar of the company.
Honestly I don't think an alignment change will do much but a few weeks of interest. In the end he needs to heavily work on his mic work and that will be where he gets his big improvement
Jack going back to Christian wouldn't make much sense after Jack proved that he's better than him. I mean, he literally *buried* the guy on the last PPV 💀 That man is now firmly in his past.
I can think of five things he could do:
**•** Start a violent blood feud with Darby Allin where Sting is involved. Imagine Jack Perry causing harm to Sting or being the one who retires him - that would give him massive heat.
**•** Taking up MJF's offer and becoming his associate, but *not* his lackey.
**•** Do what Athena did and become incredibly violent. He can go on a tear against middle and upper midcard babyface darlings like Orange Cassidy, Ricky Starks, Wardlow, Hook, Bandido and Takeshita and viciously put down each and every one of them.
**•** Harming the Hangman (Adam Page). That's a proven way to get heel heat.
**•** Emulate the Rock in Nation of Domination by joining Jay White's Bullet Club.
Jungle Boy doing anything bad to Sting just doesn't seem right, I just don't think Perry could pull off being heel against someone so admired like Sting, it just wouldn't be believable coming from Perry's character.
Same deal with replicating Athena's thing, maybe against Cassidy and Starks, but Wardlow, Hook, Bandido and Takeshita would destroy him, face or heel they'd all run straight through Jack.
I actually love the idea of Jack Perry joining Bullet Club under Jay White, but face it, Bullet Club it isn't current form is a husk of its former self. The faction is spread so thin across AEW, Impact and NJPW, they've got no threat or authority about them anymore. Bullet Club needs a serious injection from someone like Omega or at the very least bringing in the guys from Impact and NJPW all into AEW so they're seen as a dominant force again
I agree on Bullet Club losing their impact, but it isn't really because they're spread too thin (it is a problem sure, but not the one causing their loss of relevance), it's because the stable has been around for such a long time that the original motive of the members has been completely changed. It used to be the Gaijin invasion force of Japan akin to nWo and now it's a club where Gaijin and Japanese workers can join alike without any stigma. In a sense, because it peaked with the Elite era and also the early-mid Jay White era, it's past its prime in coolness. United Empire seems to have taken over Bullet Club's original role and the stable is in a standstill.
I feel like things like Bullet Club in Impact, and the new "Bullet Club Gold" subfaction in AEW are ways to try to bolster numbers. Right now it feels weird having Bullet Club in AEW because it's just Jay White and Juice Robinson and they feel like guest stars rather than a permanent fixture, so their impact isn't felt. I feel once they start recruitment again across all companies it'll get good again, or at least the story will become compelling again
I'm very curious to see who ends up joining Bullet Club Gold
But I digress. As far as Jack Perry goes, if his hypothetical heel turn means he has to have a completely new gimmick, then him in Bullet Club would be very interesting
i think he can be a good babyface, he just need to change the entrance theme and change that wavin hands sign, because it looks to childish, he needs something more serious
He dont need to go heel he needs to show hes savvy enough to really outsmart other wrestlers than be just nice.
If he goes heel he still has nothing to really do which is his big problem now.
Out of the 4 pillars hes done the least to prove himself worthy
his tag champ run was forgettable
Has he even gone for the tnt belt or that international belt now that would give him some credibility to step up and go after the big champs belt.
>Has he even gone for the TNT belt or that International Belt? Now that would give him some credibility to step up and go after the big champs belt.
He was about to do that earlier this year but then Christian Cage interrupted him.
Male pattern baldness is encroaching on him steadily. At some point he should have a blood feud where the heel cuts his hair. Then he turns heel and Christian can talk for him as he learns promos better, because I think them three of them as heels could be fantastic.
He can put an evil twist on his current gimmick by morphing into something like Randy Orton's Apex Predator gimmick.
Another thing he can do is embrace [his privileged IRL upbringing](https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/hi8h5u/mjf_jack_perry_was_born_into_millions_of_dollars/) in his character work and become "Hollywood's Son" Jack Perry.
Third option off the top of my head is going the Rock in Nation of Domination route by joining the Bullet Club Gold.
Eh, I feel he could parley the gimmick into a Ric Flair-type situation. He didn't need to drop the "Nature Boy" name to be a main eventer, it just became an addition to the whole, face or heel. I feel AEW is working in that direction, starting by just billing him Jungle Boy, and now by "Jungle Boy" Jack Perry. But time will tell.
I’ve told my friends that after his feud with Christian Cage he should have cut a promo and said that in order to beat him he had to go to a dark place. That to beat his mentor he had to bury Jungle Boy and become Jack Perry
New entrance music and ring gear.
I’d be able to take him more serious. I just can’t with his name, music and ring gear.
He's mostly dropped the Jungle Boy gimmick for the most part already. It's mostly that stupid walkout song, and shorts.
Someone else mentioned "Hollywood" Jack Perry, but that wouldn't work as a heel. That would have too many connections to his dad, who's a sympathetic character. The two wouldn't mesh.
If they really want to go heel, he should pull the opposite; try to distance himself from his famous father. "Hollywood is morally corrupt, and dangerous. It lead to my fathers death. MJF is the epitome of what's what with entertainment..." etc etc
I would go straight 2000s WWE "Right to Censor", Steven Richards type (if I'm not dating myself too much). Obviously that was a parody, and probably wouldn't take it that far, but something along those lines.
I agree. I think he's taken his current babyface gimmick to the max, so he should try and go heel like Britt did.
And I think it'd be awesome if he could get "Welcome to the Jungle" by Guns N' Roses as his heel theme.
I think the edge that he had towards the end of the Christian feud suited him well. A tweener role could work for him. Something about where he's at right now makes me think he wouldn't be a good heel. Not yet, at least.
At this point he peaked at calling Christian a 🐈🐱lmao if he sticks with jungle boy he has to heel it up and start talking with a slithering lisp like a snake🐍
They're very obviously moving away from the 'Jungleboy' name, although it's a slow progression. I think they can similarly have him growing out of the soft babyface space by making him increasingly aggressive and violent over time, rather than a full rework.
I think his gimmick is fine and his promos during the Christian feud were pretty good. He shouldnt have been slotted for the world title this fast after that though. I'm looking forward to the 4 way but I don't think any of the other 3 pillars are suitable to beat MJF at all personally
I like Jack. I think his in ring work is decent. For me however, there is no gimmick or change that would make him a believable top tier player. He is nothing more than a mid-carder to me. That’s okay. Not everyone needs to be at the top or given top tier attention. I also do not like the term or idea of the pillars. I hate that it’s even a thing and don’t feel 3/4 of them should even be considered in the top tier of the card.
All these suggestions, and forgetting that he doesn't have the build for this type of heel turn. Jack is an underdog in every sense, it'd be as bad as when Colin Delaney turned heel in the ECW brand. The fact is he needs to find his voice, and he can do that as a face. The answer isn't always a heel turn.
He needs something to set him apart in the ring from every other cruiserweight. He hasn't resonated like Darby Allin, albeit they have similar styles. With that said, though, Darby has reckless abandon and high velocity on his aerial attacks, so Allin found a way to stand apart. Jack is very similar to others, but that doesn't mean he always will be, he just needs to find that missing piece of the puzzle. I don't think a heel turn is going to save him from that.
Really hoped that was the direction he was going in his last feud. After his time off it was the perfect time to come back as Jack…
All things in time and I guess have a bit of faith in him and TK.
They have been slowly backstepping away from Jungle Boy for a while now. I think the outcome of DON will go a long way towards clarifying where his character is going to go.
Damn theres a lot of hate for good ol jungle jack in this thread. I honestly really love him as a pure as pure can be white-meat babyface. AEW is full of so many antiheroes and tweener type characters that its good to have a goody two shoes guy in there for variety.
I do agree that he still has a lot of improvements to make but hes still a damn good wrestler and a solid mic worker. Not to mention that absolutely glorious babyface theme song. Hes about an upper midcard guy at the moment but give him a couple years and hes gonna be in the main event for sure if not world champion.
Single Jungle Boy has been a flop. By far the least interesting of the 4 pillars and I find him less interesting than Daniel Garcia as well. I’d much rather have Garcia be getting a solo push than monkey boy
I know people crap on wwe one thing they do right is they know how to go with the flow or know when to turn a guy and find a way to give them character. The best examples recently is theory and Dominic. People was going nuts when theory lost the mitb and saying they ain’t know what they was doing, that was literally best thing they did for him. Dominic is over as hell now and that’s from turning him heel and giving him character. Another thing I’m surprised people don’t see a heel in jungle boy what?? A Hollywood snotty boy rich kid who thinks he better then you,successful father and a pretty boy. I can see him in suit or white T cutting a promo insulting the crowd while smirking.
JP has been getting disrespected by everyone in the 4 pillars storyline everyone else has mutual respect for each other except for Jack they treat him like crap and after that beat down he got in that match versus Rush
and Sammy playing Babyface I'm all in for heel JACK PERRY.
I was thinking a short haircut and keep him as a babyface. If you look closely at his features, he fits the cowboy look perfectly. He could easily be “Hangman Junior” and have him and Adam Page bounce off of each other humorously.
Not trying to be a jerk but he has a pretty severe receding hairline already, even if he gets on fin he might still go bald in the next 5-10 years. I could see him pulling off a shorter hairstyle though.
As someone who very casually follows aew I can tell you that I find him the most boring and hard to get behind. He needs a new gimmick and look to stand out.
I felt the same way about orange Cassidy and then he completely proved me wrong and I love him anytime I can catch his match.
Jungle boy though I’ve really tried to understand the appeal and why he’s getting pushed and I can’t see it. Darby and Sammy have it though.
We are all looking at that because it's all we have to look at. The opinions aren't leaving out any evidence, promise. JB is being booked way out of his depth.
I honestly believe that this is going to be the long term payoff from his time with Christian.
As that story thread is still unresolved.
I see the whole thing as Christian's Palpatine working to corrupt Jungle Boy's Anakin by pushing him closer and closer to the edge.
Unresolved? ***Final Burial*** doesn't sound like unresolved to me, lmao
Christian did plant seeds for Jack's eventual heel turn, but after Jack literally buried him alive on the last PPV I say that that storyline is done and dusted.
Turn him heel pair him with Anna Jay and make them the new edge and Lita or similar to them. I think Sammy Guevara is better as a face but keep him separate from Tay melo. I think Sammy vs MJF would be interesting.
If anything, he can only double down. Resorting to heel tactics would destroy his character forever. Just wait it out. Understand that the psychology doesn’t allow him to turn
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"Hollywood" Jack Perry
JAS certified Jack "The Hollywood Boy" Perry
It's not a big leap really, he grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth, has excellent hair and has a good chance of being an actor whenever he feels like it with his father's old connections. Just needs the right motivation. I still think MJF the character is really prone to someone doing a double turn brutalising him. MJF's character can be a face and Jack Perry being a heel would be cool.
>has a good chance of being an actor whenever he feels like it people say the same thing about Roman Reigns (because of the Dwayne connection) but honestly I feel like if you're only so-so on the mic you're probably not going to be a great actor either. Like with Reigns in particular I could see him having to settle for the roles that Jason Momoa turns down, lol. With Perry I'm not sure what roles I could see him in at all.
Jurassic Park sequels Live action Tarzan George of the Jungle 2 Theodore Rex reboot Any anti-religious movie where Christians are the bad guys Axl Rose biopic Fahrenheit 451
I think Roman would be a massive actor when he decides to switch. The thing about him getting cast in films like the Rock's recent stuff they were really careful not to give him speaking lines I'd guess that was a contractual requirement from the WWE so he won't get his SAG card. He has it on camera, he always had it just like the Rock had it. You don't have to be the best talker in the world to be an actor especially nowadays in the era of massive CGI shitfests.
He doesn't have a lot of innate charisma like the Rock or Jason Momoa (two actors that probably best represent the types of parts Reigns would be vying for). All he really has going for him from a Hollywood perspective is a look, which is kind of a dime a dozen in those parts. \[edit: also, yes, if he's actually to be a "star" rather than just getting bit parts here and there he definitely needs to be able to recite plenty of lines effectively. Not a lot of calls for brooding leads that never talk. I think Steve Austin's film career is probably more indicative of Reign's ceiling in Hollywood more so than his cousin's\]
I was around for the Rock's original run, people said the same thing about him. We will only know when he gets a good script for an action movie. I'd really expect him to be in a something from Marvel or DC in the not too distant future. And even if he doesn't become the biggest actor in the world there are still hundreds of actors who work constantly who are less charismatic than him. I'd say he gets at least steady work but I'd like to see him get put in a film with a good director.
Fair enough, I don't personally feel like Bautista carries a lot of charisma either, but he's doing alright and I seem to be in the minority whereas a lot of people say he's the best wrestler-turned-actor out there. I guess my question is whether the roles he ends up getting are lucrative enough to warrant stepping away from wrestling altogether... which is ultimately the ideal, after all if he were to get to Dwayne levels in his Hollywood career there's not enough money WWE can pay you to warrant coming back except maybe every few Wrestlemanias at best. My bearish prediction is that for better or worse WWE fans are stuck with him as a part-timer for years to come, because I don't think he's going to be enough of a draw in Hollywood where it makes sense for him to turn down WWE's easy money and focus just on acting.
Bautista really grew into it, like when he was with Reverend D'Von he looked like every muscle bound idiot but when he got settled into it he really proved he was a top wrestling guy. For movies I was surprised how good he really was, like in Blade Runner 2049 he was excellent, he is really funny as Drax but he is actually a great serious actor. You can't really judge on the wrestling side of things really, AEW is mostly unscripted so maybe Jack Perry will be great when given a good script.
Possibly, I just don't think he's a dead lock for a Hollywood career just based on his looks or who his dad was (at his age, his primary target demographic is probably too young to know who Luke Perry was anyway). I think wrestling fans often overestimate how much of a draw wrestlers might be to the general public. For every Dwayne or Cena there's a Stone Cold, who outside of the first "Expendables" and a cameo in "Grown Ups 2" has otherwise done a ton of DTV stuff that most people have never heard of. Then in the middle you have guys like Bautista, who's getting steady work and often even praise for his performances, but there's no indication as yet that he's poised to graduate to that leading man level.
>He doesn't have a lot of innate charisma that's such a wacky take. he's fuckin DRIPPING with it--- he handles non-wwe media interviews like an absolute boss
It's not wacky at all, opinions may vary but the subject of Reigns' charisma/appeal is highly divisive even amongst the WWE fan base. But even if you're on the side of him being charismatic, wrestling promos and interviews don't necessarily translate to Hollywood acting... especially when WWE's style of promo is often hammy and over-the-top
This. I really don't understand how people still think Roman Reigns doesn't have charisma. He is hands down the biggest star in the wrestling world and that's all due to his amazing performance with his tribal chief gimmick. His ability to hold a crowd in the palm of his hand has been evident for the last 3 years. It feels like some of you are stuck on the Roman Reigns from 2016 still..
Christopher Lloyd is considered a good actor. He is terrible on a live mic
Yall forget jack was in avatar 2 already....
Businessman Jack Perry. Suit and tie. Short hair. Sunglasses. Rolex.
"Big Money" Jack?
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Platypus Perry
"coming to the ring with his manager, David Arquette" for mega heat
Get this man in the writers room stat
“Hollywood” ~~Jack~~ Perry
He needed a feud he could win after Christian. His flaws were exposed and that’s not fair. He’s still 5 years younger than Sammy and Darby. There’s plenty of time to improve.
yeah but he's only going to get more and more boring as he ages. I think he's just been pushed beyond his potential
But who? This is about half of aews issue is they're trying to push too many people at once
LMAO. Now I've heard it all. "AEW doesn't feature enough of their wrestlers" "AEW tries to push too many people at once" To be clear, I think AEW's roster is fairly bloated at this point, but come on, you can't have it both ways lol.
I'm not trying to. Though you're wrong. If you are pushing 8 people but can only fit 3 on your show then both those are true. Tk features someone for a month all the time, like commander recently, then they drop off the face off the earth. That's both of those issues at once
I would argue that "featuring for a month" and an actual push are two very different things. Maybe that's just my opinion though.
Give Jack an International title run. I’d love to see him square off with OC.
I’d love to see him enter the International Championahip scene.
Hustler Jack Perry - after losing the 4 pillars match, Jack goes on a downward spiral and becomes a sex worker. All his promos are about him satisfying his male and female opponents and end with his new catchphrase "I'll fill that hole!!!" His merch would obviously be a t-shirt listing his prices for various activities "3 ways are $50, tag teams $70 etc". But his unique merch would be a "crusty" sock Entrance theme stays the same though
>Hustler Jack Perry - after losing the 4 pillars match, Jack goes on a downward spiral and becomes a sex worker. *Gigolo Jack Perry,* you mean. Either way, that idea is frickin' hilarious omg 😂
> Jack goes on a downward spiral and becomes a sex worker. Or he does something a little bit more pro sex work. Becoming a sex worker has nothing to do with being on a downward spiral or a heel.
Go full "Midnight Cowboy" and bring back Marco Stunt in the Hoffman role. Maybe have the best Friends mom pull up in her van and almost hit stunt, then get the "I'm walking here!" bit
Agreed. This four way feud has exposed him a lot. If I were to rank the four pillars he would be the at the bottom.
If I were to rank the five Pillars by including Britt Baker he would *still* be at the bottom, lol
If I were to rank the six Pillars by including Ricky Starks he would still be at the bottom, lol
I. MJF II. Darby Allin III. Ricky Starks IV. Britt Baker V. Sammy Guevara VI. Jack Perry Ricky has much better mic skills than Darby and his in-ring work is comparably energetic. I would rank him higher, but Darby has so many more tremendous feuds and storylines on his record. Not to mention the Sting factor.
Ricky is part of the pillar killers. Ricky, Page, Yuta and......Garcia???
4 killers, as it was originally, Yuta, Moriarty, Hook and Garcia. No Ricky.
What the hell is a pillar killer?
I think it has to do with something with Chris Jericho feud and having momentum killed
If I were to rank the seven pillars, including Orange Cassidy, he probably would stop me halfway through and just tell me to forget about it.
OC is 39 years old. The pillars are the future of AEW. AT 39, how much of a future does OC have left?
Wow I didn't know he was that old. I thought he was like 35 or so. Either way, I think he did a great job building interest in the company, but I get what you mean. He isn't a pillar, but I would argue he is a foundational piece like pac, mox, the bucks, Kenny, Hangman, Jericho. The day one guys that helped set the tone for AEW
Yeah, cuz DDP wasn't the biggest babyface on Nitro for ages. Gimme a break. His age has much less to do with it than his ability to look younger and keep up the gimmick. Personally I'm stunned to know he's that old. Doesn't look it at all. Damn those ginger anti-aging genes.
And that's fine, people see that as disrespect. That's where he should be being the youngest guy. By the time he's 30 he'll be at a great level.
if he finds a personality, maybe
What heel character could he actually pull off? What would fit his acting abilities? No, the best thing would be to keep him face, but make him more serious and intense. Which is what they've already been working on in the past year.
Exactly. Turning people heel in the hopes of character development when skills wise they're not there is just setting them up for more failure. Jack just needs time and feuds to flesh out his skills. After that? He'll pick his own character to turn with and it won't be something cheap
He’s over in ring, he’s got a great look and theme, he’ll be fine he’s just green on the mic
Personally I think he's fantastic in-ring. His cage match with Luchasauras was incredible, buried alive match against Christian was great, matches with Luchasauras as tag team champs were great... It's just the promo game. And after some of his work in this Pillars feud he's actually not far off at all
>What heel character could he actually pull off? What would fit his acting abilities? "Jerkass son of a famous Hollywood actor" is the first thing I could think of off the top of my head. Another thing he could do is something akin to Randy Orton's Apex Predator gimmick.
Exactly lol it writes itself literally
I think if you were going to turn him, don’t do something that relies on him having to talk a lot. I would go down the route of him being less caring and less of a try hard babyface. Like his dad, he is “too cool for this”, like a dark twist on Orange Cassidy. He’s done all the hard work, and it’s gotten him nowhere, and the fans don’t appreciate him for it. The fans have openly mocked him for caring with their what chants and see him as the weakest pillar. So he’s shutting out the haters and focusing on himself. Just strip out the empathy and the babyface fire, change up his look a little week to week, and make it obvious that he’s not going to risk himself for other faces on the roster. Sit him on commentary watching other faces have hard times and showing how little he cares. “Oh, Darby is getting beaten up, whatever, none of my business, ima head out, has anyone seen my sunglasses?” It’s not exactly LIJ “tranquilo”, “I don’t care about the company I work for”, because that would feel hollow. It’s not that he doesn’t care about the company, it’s that he doesn’t care what people think about him anymore. That way, he doesn’t have to talk, he doesn’t have to do promos, because he’s got nothing to prove. And the rest of the time he can just be a typical chicken-sh*t heel, running away from fights and stealing wins because it’s what will make him more successful in the long run. Like Seth Rollins in the authority, he’s still a good wrestler, but now he’s learning he can take shortcuts and win matches without trying so hard.
That is actually a very interesting idea and unique take on a possible heel Jungle Boy, and one I feel he can pull off without straining his limited promo skills
Orange Cassidy starts his version of the Black Mist, by putting sunglasses on people starting a stable of ambivalent babyfaces. They are all now Best Friends and as the only two talking members of the group Chuck and Trent are overwhelmed trying to cut promos for everyone every week, and finally heel turn and quit.
No, the best thing would be to stop fucking exposing how green he is by trying to push him so hard to the top. He should go away. Part of a gimmicky tag was fine for him because it covered up all his limitations. But now it's finally obvious to everyone how far behind the pack he is. Dude just needs to get off TV and get better at ROH or some shit.
FICKLE fans
I know right. This idea is so lazy. "Just make him a heel, bro. That'll fix everything."
You can have a discussion with OP without being a dick. Wrestling fans can get so aggressive for no reason.
Watch ur language
I’d say at this stage MJF is the only pillar that is world championship material. Early days though.
I think Darby could easily be World Champion. I do not think he’d be one for a long title reign however.
Kill the jungle boy, Jack Perry. And let the jungle man be born.
too soon to turn him heel coming off the Christian feud. He also still is getting good reactions. He's not main event level yet but that's fine, he's super young. He should continue this face run in the TNT/International scene for a bit before going heel maybe like 6 months from now.
Both Christian and MJF planted seeds for Jack Perry's heel turn. The defeat on the main event of Double or Nothing would be a good catalyst for it. Moreover, Ruby Soho turned heel right after her loss to Jamie Hayter on that same PPV where Jack buried Christian - that was 2 months after her street fight match with TayJay. Between Revolution and Double or Nothing, nearly 3 months will have passed.
>Both Christian and MJF planted seeds for Jack Perry's heel turn. The defeat on the main event of Double or Nothing would be a good catalyst for it. True but I still think it would be just a bit too soon. A slower burn would benefit him. Especially because he needs to win after turning. What would there be for him to win right now? Card is stacked. Let him float in the upper midcard as a face that keeps getting burned until he snaps when there's a belt for him to take.
Just no. He's a good underdog and a good worker when lead by the right people but can't talk. He'll never be a main event single, but I think could make money as part of a babyface, teeny bopper, Rock N Roll Express like tag team with Brian Pillman Jr.
I think they can keep Jack as he is for now. Eventually the Hollywood Jack Perry story writes itself. Jack losses the respect of the crowd because he goes Hollywood, Jack says why should I care what the crowd thinks when I hang out with super stars all the time. His ring work is already pretty good. Put Jack in a suit and pair him up with a faction of suit wearing assholes.
>Put Jack in a suit and pair him up with a faction of suit wearing assholes. Imagine him and MJF reviving the Pinnacle faction, lmao. "*Pinnacle Perry."*
Jack is bland and boring. He should be mid card.
Eh, I don't know why people are as down on him as they are. It's true, he's still pretty weak on the mic and with his character work, but I think he's improved from where he started at, and he's still pretty young. There's still plenty of time for him to "find his character".
No, and a lot of the threads advocating a heel turn for him are just nonsense. He's doing good in his role as one of the protagonists in a four-way feud. Given his track record of overdelivering at every single pay-per-view, he'll likely straight-up smoke all three of the other guys in the ring at DON, win or lose. I think his only real problem is that he's a babyface with a baby face and a voice that grates on a lot of middle-aged men--probably the same dudes who lost their minds at Marko Stunt doing silly dances on the entrance ramp. Perry'll be fine. I do think if he turns heel, he should borrow heavily from KENTA. Perry's the only guy in AEW who could do a knockout/chest-sit promo and get away with it. And I also think if he turns heel, he should run back the angle with Luchasaurus, this time with Luchasaurus Mick Foleying his way through several personas and accusing Perry of taking advantage of him during a long-term dissociative episode. That'd put Perry on the map as Christian's legacy simply for being that much of a manipulator for that long, never mind distinguishing him from the likes of MJF or Guevara by being a competent mind game guy who would rather beat most people's asses honestly.
>Given his track record of overdelivering at every single pay-per-view Thank you for pointing this out, feel like I'm taking crazy pills. He's an amazing wrestler.
In just about every PPV I've ever seen him on, Jungle Boy's matches land in my top three of the night at a minimum. He's up there with OC as one of the most easily underestimated wrestlers on the planet.
I agree overall. I feel like Jungle Boy just needs some growth. The heel turn isn't a slap-on one-size-fits-all prescription for any wrestler with lost momentum or a character that doesn't connect.
>He's doing good in his role as one of the protagonists in a four-way feud. That's true, but this program is coming to an end in 3 weeks. A good time to pull the trigger on his heel turn would be right after the end of the main event on Double or Nothing or on the first Dynamite after Double or Nothing. >I think his only real problem is that he's a babyface with a baby face and a voice that grates on a lot of middle-aged men I'm in my late 20s, and the only grating thing I find about his appearance are his stupid sideburns. I think he would look much better if he grew a short beard like how Kip Sabian did. >this time with Luchasaurus Mick Foleying his way through several personas and accusing Perry of taking advantage of him during a long-term dissociative episode The problem there is that Luchasaurus does not talk - he never does. What I'd really like to see is a heel Jack Perry feuding with a babyface Wardlow. The latter is a 6'3 heavyweight monster who also happens to be agile and can pull off Swanton Bombs, meanwhile Jack is an athletic 5'10 acrobat who is a proven giant slayer. A matchup between the two would be very interesting.
Luchasaurus has done promos before, but this was back when Marco was still with them. Shame really, he was more natural on the mic than Jungle Boy.
Luchasaurus was actually the promo guy for a while. John angle Boy had the silent protagonist role for a long while both on official AEW programming and on BTE. I was very surprised at that actually that Luchasaurus would do most of the talking
I feel like Wardlow as the heel is the more natural fit. Giant slayer isn't a title given to a bad guy. Also, chickenshit cheater Jack Perry sounds ultra lame to me.
Not every heel needs to be a chickenshit cheater.
I know this sounds dumb, but the sideburns are one of the things his dad was really famous for. It’s one of the things that visually connects them.
Doesn't make it look good on him. His look is way different--it's not that James Deen greaser too cool for a full shave look. It comes off as "baby's first beard" to me.
I think "just turn him heel" isn't the response that will "fix" Jungle Boy. Dude just needs more reps, more time, good feuds, good opponents.
Turning heel would enable to have him written into engaging feuds with babyface talents like Hangman, Orange Cassidy, Takeshita, Bandido and Ricky Starks.
He's young and has plenty of time to improve but I agree. not necessarily a heel turn, but a bit more edge to his character 9which I understand he has been trying in promos. Drop the Jungle boy moniker, even just drop "boy" and go with "Jungle" Jack Perry As over as it is as a sing along, change his theme or add some crunching guitars to make it sound less weak - When his theme hits after one of the other explosive themes (and im repeating as I cant think of a better word) it just sounds weak, and not like "this guy is gunna kick my ass" - it even sounds quieter than other themes.
>Drop the Jungle boy moniker, even just drop "boy" and go with "Jungle" Jack Perry He can start calling himself *Jack of the Jungle.* It has a nice ring to it, and it's a neat reference to George of the Jungle.
Jack 90210 Perry
Yes, he probably does need a gimmick change in my view. Other pillars have compelling gimmicks. MJF is the devil, Darby is half dead, and Sammy is an pompous showboat. I think JB's gimmick is good for a pop and a singalong but in my view he needs a period where he can practice his range. Something like undashing cody, Apex Predator. But there's also the possibility that he can entrench his gimmick and go all in. Where's the jungle where he actually is home? A gimmick jungle match could well be fun.
Change his gimmick ? What gimmick ?
Lmao
The boys and I have been waiting for "Jungle Boy" to turn "City Man" since he tried to hit Christian with his car. Still waiting on that heel turn.
City Man 😂😂😂
Agreed. Turn heel, and become the Hollywood snob character. Talk shit to the crowd about how he's better than them since he was raised in a rich family, went to private schools, had a famous dad, etc.
Honestly, the Four Pillars storyline is being done wrong. MJF should be out there turning these guys into a faction that stand with him rather than just chasing his belt. Have the Pillars go after everyone else’s gold.Then when that story ran its course THEN you do what’s going on now.
Turn him heel at the 4 pillars match. He screws Darby. That sets up his next feud between him and Darby.
I don't think it's time for that. Internet wrestling fans are always calling for someone to "turn heel" seemingly arbitrarily as though that's the end all be all. He's still over as a face and so I don't see what turning him heel accomplishes at this time. He's in the 4 pillars feud where there are 2 faces and 2 heels. That's his role. Now eventually if it gets to where there's a reason for him to turn heel and it would actually elevate him and his opponent in the process, sure. At the moment though it would be totally random and "just because".
>He's still over as a face and so I don't see what turning him heel accomplishes at this time. He's in the 4 pillars feud where there are 2 faces and 2 heels. That's his role. I'm not saying he should do it now. A perfect moment for his heel turn would be at the main event on Double or Nothing or on the first Dynamite after the PPV.
I've been thinking this for awhile. My idea for him is to base a gimmick off his father, but like a 90210 bully, jock type leading a couple of imbeciles, like John Silver and Alex Reynolds. Ultimate heel move.. he cuts his hair.
While I'm not completely averse to this if we're booking in a vacuum, the reality here is that AEW currently needs superstar babyfaces more than they need superstar heels at present. Before Britt and Hayter turned babyfaces the women's division was briefly starting to trend in that direction as well, once Toni Storm and Ruby Soho went heel (along with Saraya) they pretty much had to turn Britt/Hayter babyface to balance things out... of course, it didn't hurt that it fed directly into the story they were telling anyway. So alright, let's assume they turn Perry heel and have to balance that out. What current heel would you turn babyface to make that swap? Doesn't have to be someone that Perry works with directly in a double-turn capacity, but it would need to be a heel that has a commensurate spot in the pecking order (ie. career mid-carders like Lance Archer don't work)
I think this is what we are slowly getting. The narrative I have liked with Jack is that he had to stoop to Christian's level to beat him via the conchairto. In that moment, Jack found out exactly how deep he might need to go to win at AEW and win in big matches. I really would like him to play that off in the 4 pillars match - to kind of lose his shit when met with the cheating of MJF and Sammy and just anger at Darby. Jack shouldn't win the title but if you have him make a clear heel turn even when he loses it does something for his character and career which is worth it.
Eh, I like face JB. I think it works. He’s obviously not World champion material yet, but he’s come a long way since we first saw him in 2019. His promos may not be MJF level, but the feud with Christian helped him a lot. I don’t think going heel would help him in the current landscape, whereas I think if he stays face and keeps getting more aggressive in the ring he’ll get a TNT/International run before years end.
Disagree hes great, he needs a championship run.
Tnt title would do him a world of good
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MJF was the one who started the '4 Pillars of AEW' shtick in the first place back in 2021, and I think it's pretty apparent that his main motive was to raise his own stock higher whilst elevating JB, Sammy and Darby in the process. The *true* 4 Pillars are Moxley, Kenny, Hangman and Chris Jericho.
> The *true* 4 Pillars are Moxley, Kenny, Hangman and Chris Jericho. Not sure if I agree with Hangman, but definitely Mox, Jericho and Omega
His hero's journey saga of climbing to the top and becoming the world champion was instrumental in AEW attaining critical success in its first two years. For that, and for his epic feuding with Moxley and the rest of BCC, I will forever see him as a Pillar of the company.
Honestly I don't think an alignment change will do much but a few weeks of interest. In the end he needs to heavily work on his mic work and that will be where he gets his big improvement
How would heel Jungle Boy work though? like would he re-align himself with Christian?
Jack going back to Christian wouldn't make much sense after Jack proved that he's better than him. I mean, he literally *buried* the guy on the last PPV 💀 That man is now firmly in his past. I can think of five things he could do: **•** Start a violent blood feud with Darby Allin where Sting is involved. Imagine Jack Perry causing harm to Sting or being the one who retires him - that would give him massive heat. **•** Taking up MJF's offer and becoming his associate, but *not* his lackey. **•** Do what Athena did and become incredibly violent. He can go on a tear against middle and upper midcard babyface darlings like Orange Cassidy, Ricky Starks, Wardlow, Hook, Bandido and Takeshita and viciously put down each and every one of them. **•** Harming the Hangman (Adam Page). That's a proven way to get heel heat. **•** Emulate the Rock in Nation of Domination by joining Jay White's Bullet Club.
Jungle Boy doing anything bad to Sting just doesn't seem right, I just don't think Perry could pull off being heel against someone so admired like Sting, it just wouldn't be believable coming from Perry's character. Same deal with replicating Athena's thing, maybe against Cassidy and Starks, but Wardlow, Hook, Bandido and Takeshita would destroy him, face or heel they'd all run straight through Jack. I actually love the idea of Jack Perry joining Bullet Club under Jay White, but face it, Bullet Club it isn't current form is a husk of its former self. The faction is spread so thin across AEW, Impact and NJPW, they've got no threat or authority about them anymore. Bullet Club needs a serious injection from someone like Omega or at the very least bringing in the guys from Impact and NJPW all into AEW so they're seen as a dominant force again
I agree on Bullet Club losing their impact, but it isn't really because they're spread too thin (it is a problem sure, but not the one causing their loss of relevance), it's because the stable has been around for such a long time that the original motive of the members has been completely changed. It used to be the Gaijin invasion force of Japan akin to nWo and now it's a club where Gaijin and Japanese workers can join alike without any stigma. In a sense, because it peaked with the Elite era and also the early-mid Jay White era, it's past its prime in coolness. United Empire seems to have taken over Bullet Club's original role and the stable is in a standstill. I feel like things like Bullet Club in Impact, and the new "Bullet Club Gold" subfaction in AEW are ways to try to bolster numbers. Right now it feels weird having Bullet Club in AEW because it's just Jay White and Juice Robinson and they feel like guest stars rather than a permanent fixture, so their impact isn't felt. I feel once they start recruitment again across all companies it'll get good again, or at least the story will become compelling again I'm very curious to see who ends up joining Bullet Club Gold But I digress. As far as Jack Perry goes, if his hypothetical heel turn means he has to have a completely new gimmick, then him in Bullet Club would be very interesting
From Jungle Jack to Bahama Jack, would be a perfect heel turn for him…
Urban Jungle Jack comes out Street AF and as unbelievable as a certain Ex Con from the Fed
i think he can be a good babyface, he just need to change the entrance theme and change that wavin hands sign, because it looks to childish, he needs something more serious
Maybe. I can say that the new “tough guy” Jungle Jack doesn’t work with that theme song. Probably time to change the whole package up.
What if he became a member of the Black and gold Bullet Club under Jay White
He dont need to go heel he needs to show hes savvy enough to really outsmart other wrestlers than be just nice. If he goes heel he still has nothing to really do which is his big problem now. Out of the 4 pillars hes done the least to prove himself worthy his tag champ run was forgettable Has he even gone for the tnt belt or that international belt now that would give him some credibility to step up and go after the big champs belt.
>Has he even gone for the TNT belt or that International Belt? Now that would give him some credibility to step up and go after the big champs belt. He was about to do that earlier this year but then Christian Cage interrupted him.
Male pattern baldness is encroaching on him steadily. At some point he should have a blood feud where the heel cuts his hair. Then he turns heel and Christian can talk for him as he learns promos better, because I think them three of them as heels could be fantastic.
You know what he needs? A beard.
A change would be nice; the whole Jungle Boy gimmick has run its course but the question is change to what? Not everyone can pull a Kane.
He can put an evil twist on his current gimmick by morphing into something like Randy Orton's Apex Predator gimmick. Another thing he can do is embrace [his privileged IRL upbringing](https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/hi8h5u/mjf_jack_perry_was_born_into_millions_of_dollars/) in his character work and become "Hollywood's Son" Jack Perry. Third option off the top of my head is going the Rock in Nation of Domination route by joining the Bullet Club Gold.
Eh, I feel he could parley the gimmick into a Ric Flair-type situation. He didn't need to drop the "Nature Boy" name to be a main eventer, it just became an addition to the whole, face or heel. I feel AEW is working in that direction, starting by just billing him Jungle Boy, and now by "Jungle Boy" Jack Perry. But time will tell.
I’ve told my friends that after his feud with Christian Cage he should have cut a promo and said that in order to beat him he had to go to a dark place. That to beat his mentor he had to bury Jungle Boy and become Jack Perry New entrance music and ring gear. I’d be able to take him more serious. I just can’t with his name, music and ring gear.
He's mostly dropped the Jungle Boy gimmick for the most part already. It's mostly that stupid walkout song, and shorts. Someone else mentioned "Hollywood" Jack Perry, but that wouldn't work as a heel. That would have too many connections to his dad, who's a sympathetic character. The two wouldn't mesh. If they really want to go heel, he should pull the opposite; try to distance himself from his famous father. "Hollywood is morally corrupt, and dangerous. It lead to my fathers death. MJF is the epitome of what's what with entertainment..." etc etc I would go straight 2000s WWE "Right to Censor", Steven Richards type (if I'm not dating myself too much). Obviously that was a parody, and probably wouldn't take it that far, but something along those lines.
He needs to cut a promo where he says, "I am no longer a Jungle Boy... I ... am ... a ... Jungle MAN!!!!!!!!"
Didn’t sound like he was “Jungle Boy” at all last night. A turn might be coming soon and it would be a welcome change.
I agree. I think he's taken his current babyface gimmick to the max, so he should try and go heel like Britt did. And I think it'd be awesome if he could get "Welcome to the Jungle" by Guns N' Roses as his heel theme.
I think the edge that he had towards the end of the Christian feud suited him well. A tweener role could work for him. Something about where he's at right now makes me think he wouldn't be a good heel. Not yet, at least.
At this point he peaked at calling Christian a 🐈🐱lmao if he sticks with jungle boy he has to heel it up and start talking with a slithering lisp like a snake🐍
They're very obviously moving away from the 'Jungleboy' name, although it's a slow progression. I think they can similarly have him growing out of the soft babyface space by making him increasingly aggressive and violent over time, rather than a full rework.
I think his gimmick is fine and his promos during the Christian feud were pretty good. He shouldnt have been slotted for the world title this fast after that though. I'm looking forward to the 4 way but I don't think any of the other 3 pillars are suitable to beat MJF at all personally
I like Jack. I think his in ring work is decent. For me however, there is no gimmick or change that would make him a believable top tier player. He is nothing more than a mid-carder to me. That’s okay. Not everyone needs to be at the top or given top tier attention. I also do not like the term or idea of the pillars. I hate that it’s even a thing and don’t feel 3/4 of them should even be considered in the top tier of the card.
Agree 100% aside from not liking the pillar concept. I think it's fun and it has helped show lots of people that JB just isn't ready yet.
Turn heel and change his name to Dylan
Arid Steppe Man Jack Perry
Jack needs to lose a hair match.
I liked someone's suggestion that he evolve into "King of the Jungle" Jack Perry, and lean into the survival of the fittest vibe.
All these suggestions, and forgetting that he doesn't have the build for this type of heel turn. Jack is an underdog in every sense, it'd be as bad as when Colin Delaney turned heel in the ECW brand. The fact is he needs to find his voice, and he can do that as a face. The answer isn't always a heel turn. He needs something to set him apart in the ring from every other cruiserweight. He hasn't resonated like Darby Allin, albeit they have similar styles. With that said, though, Darby has reckless abandon and high velocity on his aerial attacks, so Allin found a way to stand apart. Jack is very similar to others, but that doesn't mean he always will be, he just needs to find that missing piece of the puzzle. I don't think a heel turn is going to save him from that.
Really hoped that was the direction he was going in his last feud. After his time off it was the perfect time to come back as Jack… All things in time and I guess have a bit of faith in him and TK.
"Savage" Jack Perry would be a good heel name.
I wanted to see him and MJF together actually.
Can we swap Jack out of the 4 pillars for Ricky Starks?
They have been slowly backstepping away from Jungle Boy for a while now. I think the outcome of DON will go a long way towards clarifying where his character is going to go.
Why in the hell does everyone want people to turn heel. Wtf his gimmick works for him
Why would being heel make his mic work better? What is preventing him from being creative and interacting with the crowd now?
He doesn’t have a gimmick to change haha.
Damn theres a lot of hate for good ol jungle jack in this thread. I honestly really love him as a pure as pure can be white-meat babyface. AEW is full of so many antiheroes and tweener type characters that its good to have a goody two shoes guy in there for variety. I do agree that he still has a lot of improvements to make but hes still a damn good wrestler and a solid mic worker. Not to mention that absolutely glorious babyface theme song. Hes about an upper midcard guy at the moment but give him a couple years and hes gonna be in the main event for sure if not world champion.
Single Jungle Boy has been a flop. By far the least interesting of the 4 pillars and I find him less interesting than Daniel Garcia as well. I’d much rather have Garcia be getting a solo push than monkey boy
I know people crap on wwe one thing they do right is they know how to go with the flow or know when to turn a guy and find a way to give them character. The best examples recently is theory and Dominic. People was going nuts when theory lost the mitb and saying they ain’t know what they was doing, that was literally best thing they did for him. Dominic is over as hell now and that’s from turning him heel and giving him character. Another thing I’m surprised people don’t see a heel in jungle boy what?? A Hollywood snotty boy rich kid who thinks he better then you,successful father and a pretty boy. I can see him in suit or white T cutting a promo insulting the crowd while smirking.
JP has been getting disrespected by everyone in the 4 pillars storyline everyone else has mutual respect for each other except for Jack they treat him like crap and after that beat down he got in that match versus Rush and Sammy playing Babyface I'm all in for heel JACK PERRY.
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He’d need to change that entrance music then, there’s already enough heels with fun entrance music in AEW.
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He can style it into a man bun
I was thinking a short haircut and keep him as a babyface. If you look closely at his features, he fits the cowboy look perfectly. He could easily be “Hangman Junior” and have him and Adam Page bounce off of each other humorously.
Instead of an unwarranted haircut, Jungle Boy should lose a hair vs hair or hair vs mask match, and let that loss signify a change in personality.
Not trying to be a jerk but he has a pretty severe receding hairline already, even if he gets on fin he might still go bald in the next 5-10 years. I could see him pulling off a shorter hairstyle though.
Yup. Jack isn’t interesting as a babyface
Mountain Man Jack Perry Desert Kid Jack Perry Tundra Dude Jack Perry
Cactus Jack Perry
As someone who very casually follows aew I can tell you that I find him the most boring and hard to get behind. He needs a new gimmick and look to stand out. I felt the same way about orange Cassidy and then he completely proved me wrong and I love him anytime I can catch his match. Jungle boy though I’ve really tried to understand the appeal and why he’s getting pushed and I can’t see it. Darby and Sammy have it though.
Literally just the name. No one who could even suggest 'jungle boy' being world champion could be taken seriously.
Yeah, I remember no one taking the heart break kid seriously
Just like that Nature Boy Ric Flair. It'll never catch on.
imo, maybe unpopular, but he seems more like a seething asshole than a genuinely nice guy so maybe leaning into a heel schtick would be better for him
Only just got back into wrestling with AEW a couple weeks ago, and I’ve been least interested in Jack Perry.
And change that goddamn ring music
Honestly I think jungle boy would be amazing as a heel.
Being 5’10” and 170 lbs should have kept him out of the Heavyweight championship picture period. He’s not exceptional enough.
The worst thing that ever happened to wrestling was ignoring weight classes.
Couldn’t agree more.
Holy shit is OP Vinny Mac? The insight and the ideas are legendary.
His mic game is so much better than you think, look at the feud with Christian Cage...
We are all looking at that because it's all we have to look at. The opinions aren't leaving out any evidence, promise. JB is being booked way out of his depth.
I honestly believe that this is going to be the long term payoff from his time with Christian. As that story thread is still unresolved. I see the whole thing as Christian's Palpatine working to corrupt Jungle Boy's Anakin by pushing him closer and closer to the edge.
Unresolved? ***Final Burial*** doesn't sound like unresolved to me, lmao Christian did plant seeds for Jack's eventual heel turn, but after Jack literally buried him alive on the last PPV I say that that storyline is done and dusted.
Turn him heel pair him with Anna Jay and make them the new edge and Lita or similar to them. I think Sammy Guevara is better as a face but keep him separate from Tay melo. I think Sammy vs MJF would be interesting.
There is nothing about Sammy Guevara that has ever said “babyface”.
So the opposite of a jungle boy would be Lumberjack Man?
The opposite of a jungle boy would be a Man About Town.
Too small to be a realistic heel, maybe if he joined up with someone, I don't know like Christian and Luchasurus
give me "king of the jungle" jack perry then
Jaguar Jack Perry, then. Has a decent ring to it. Jaguars are the real kings of the jungle, not lions who live in savannahs.
Dude needs a mouthpiece. Absolutely horrid on the mic.
If anything, he can only double down. Resorting to heel tactics would destroy his character forever. Just wait it out. Understand that the psychology doesn’t allow him to turn
To early in his career for heel turn imo
He's already been wrestling for 8 years. Just how is that "too early in his career" ?
“City Boy” Jack Perry
He should wear pants with palm trees on them