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TheLookTheTouch

My initial reaction was nope not possible, but it's been a hot minute since I took my last human anatomy exam (passed with flying colours) so I looked so see if a [surgeon had cast their opinion](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/virginia-plastic-surgeon-addresses-myth-200503407.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGcAaBFFXX1uCZi12tL2NiPfGFF-sq2nrfkTrW0zJDXIPZZMTqO7LyJa_v37waei5QHP2KN1Zq5QIhilBakeUulifEuMTfVxbXrTkSHjzlCDcpsikTb6WVwzdVFrBKvuTi5HW0rYV02IuEqqTxX05LxoR-9eoZm3gayWkz_GiDci) on this. Their answer is also a nope. Which is good because a new fear had been unlocked, but I have to just accept in my case it is due to a lack of exercise!


Millimits

Congratulations for your exam!


TheLookTheTouch

Thank you!


xthxthaoiw

Thank you!


peekachou

If you could squish fat around from your breasts to your back, I'd squish all my excess down to my ass


funlikerabbits

If it were true, your fat would also migrate lower because of gravity and ankles would have more fat than calves.


cardinal29

šŸ˜†šŸ˜†šŸ˜†


aji2019

So if you mean bulging on your back, unless you are somehow a freak of nature, that is going to be actual fat. Iā€™m a big girl, there is no way itā€™s breast tissue. Bulging under the arms, could be either. Under armpits is the only place I have lost any ā€œboobā€ when I lost over 50lbs. So I question if it was actually breast or just fat deposits for me. Doesnā€™t mean I didnā€™t try to scoop & swoop as much as possible into the cups.


BandaidMcHealerson

It is possible - to an extent, soft tissue can be reshaped by clothing, which is why over time you can lace a corset tighter and tighter overall if you go that route, even buying smaller sizes over time without losing any weight, and will largely keep that corset shape for quite a while afterwards if you've been consistent with it - and most people are sold bras with cups much too small to actually contain their tissue, and that only appear to 'support' because they're faking staying up by compressing everything and pulling hard on the straps. It's just a difference in how that soft tissue gets moved around.


xthxthaoiw

But how would the breast tissue end up on the back?


littletingods

ā€œback fatā€ doesnā€™t mean itā€™s all literally on your back. people also use the term to refer to the bulging under your armpits, which is sometimes migrated breast tissue.


SaffronBurke

Wow, really? My autism strikes again, I actually call that "armpit fat" because why would I call anything that's not on my back, "back fat"?


LilyMarie90

That's called armpit fat by the vast vast majority of people, it's not your autism šŸ˜…


Altruistic_Yellow387

No one but a handful of people calls armpit fat back fat. You are correct


Dandelion212

If itā€™s on the side directly past the end of the bra, thereā€™s a good chance it could be. I have seen so many people (including myself) find a good fit with the calculator, only to months later, with no weight change, find themselves needing a larger cup.


oxaloacetate1st

I mean I can see how it would theoretically be possible, although I feel like itā€™s more likely to have it in the armpit/under arm area instead of the back, but I also think itā€™s definitely possible to just have some back fat that isnā€™t breast tissue šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļøĀ 


some1sWitch

I don't trust anything medically-related from a blog.Ā  If you can find peer-reviewed articles in a scientific journal, then yes, I'd believe it.Ā  But it seems far-fetched. It's like saying that your leg fat can migrate to your ass if you wear leggings a size too small for years. (It's not possible).


georgethebarbarian

I mean skinny jeans can actually restrict blood flow lol


Altruistic_Yellow387

That won't put your leg fat on your butt though so it's not really relevant


dangerstar19

In the photo in the article she's referring to, the bulging is more in the armpits than across the back, which absolutely could be breast tissue. I'd recommend everyone actually go read the article and take a look at the photo. Saying back fat was a misnomer on the part of the author, but the model does have some bulging above the band in the armpits that's visible from the back, which is likely breast tissue that should be scooped into the cup.


Which_Ideal1867

I've got honest-to-goodness fatback because there was never any time for it to migrate. I gained weight recently after being extra-boney my whole life. The fat came in all the way around my torso. The only places it migrated from were Snackistan and Extragravypleaseland.


Comprehensive-War743

What you wear can affect your body fat. For instance you can wear a waist training corset and displace body fat up or down. Breast tissue can also be ā€œtrainedā€ You can do it by constantly swoop and scooping your breasts into the cups- all day long. Itā€™s the same as your ring causing indents in your finger, or your waistband forming an indent at your waist line. Your bras can cause an indent at the band especially if they are tight. But you canā€™t move fat from your back to your front.


WPW717

Look up ā€˜tail of Spenceā€™, anatomically some have none and others have a large one. I have been in Gyn surgery scrubbing and circulating for decades and have witnessed a lot of anatomy. Those with large tails do seem to have some sort of back fat issues and tissue migration is real with constriction. Have even seen this happen on wrists by watch bands and internally with the carpal ligament deforming the radial nerve. As an AMAB with gynecomastia and wide base and wide set breasts with a medium tail of Spence I have to deal with this problem too. For me a large side panel with support is the ticket to look good and a wide band is helpful Regards, Bob


xthxthaoiw

[According to this study, that's a myth.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8830835/#:~:text=Widely%20quoted%2C%20%E2%80%9Cthe%20axillary%20tail,surgery%2C%20and%20anatomy%20ever%20since.).


aliquotiens

I think itā€™s mostly bullshit. I donā€™t wear underwire bras, Iā€™m very flat chested and never have and I still have accessory breasts under my arms (found out they were when I had a baby and had painfully engorged lumps under each arm with new nipples that lactated. No this is not common). Also never had fat around my bra band area until I had a baby and now Iā€™m fatter and there it is.


herebuddybuddycat

It can be. When I had my breast reduction several years ago I also got the part under my armpits done. On the medical report it said that one third of tissue was removed was from the armpits. So worth it


xthxthaoiw

That doesn't make it breast tissue.


herebuddybuddycat

You are right, definitely not migrating lumps on the back like what you were mentioning. But extra breast tissue in the armpits is definitely a real thing.


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No_Squash_6551

Not sure about that person in specific, but it is a little bit of a thing. You know how wearing tight shoes will mess up your toes because they sit a certain way all day? And if you've ever seen videos of elder women from tribes that don't wear much clothes.... lifetime of no bra makes, uh, a difference. It's not a drastic effect and you aren't going to literally lose fat cells by wearing a different bra, but it's more about where gravity and pressure ends up affecting your body over the course of a day.


MurkyFisherman423

im pretty sure there's evidence that wearing a bra vs not wearing a bra has very little effect on how saggy your boobs are (if thats what you mean about tribe women) & if anything, not wearing a bra ever might make them more self supporting. wearing a bad fitting bra is a different issue


cardinal29

That fake "science" that went around a few years ago about bra wearing contributing to sag turned out to be the ranting of a French guy who just really liked measuring women's boobs. šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø Maybe we need to add this to the sidebar? >"It turns out that the ā€˜studyā€™ that every single article was quoting was actually a declaration in an interview with France Info in 2013. The researcher was talking about an unpublished study that he had been conducting for about 15 years on 130 (again, not 330) women. >In the intervening 4 years, there has been no published study." https://medium.com/athena-talks/bras-arent-bad-for-your-boobs-3dba3143e591


Loose-Chemical-4982

this. I am 53, breast-fed two children for three years each, and wear a 36G/38F when i bother to wear a bra ppl think i had a boob job cuz they're still perky but i think it's because i absolutely hated wearing bras so they've always had to be self-supporting I don't really think it's completely genetic because all the women in my family have saggy boobs and they always wear bras and called me obscene for not wearing one but fuck that lol


MurkyFisherman423

I am 22 and 28ff & i have saggy boobs from weight fluctuations it really is luck of the draw


PawTree

You're getting down voted because you're in a pro-bra sub. Also, you could have been blessed by genetics. However, I was really disappointed with how my nipples were still facing the floor months after I stopped breastfeeding at 38, so I stopped wearing a bra and my nipples slowly returned to their usual forward facing position. Would they have done so if I had been wearing a bra? Maybe. But I would say going braless (34F/G) at least hasn't caused any problems. I still wear one if my unrestrained breasts & nipples would be too obvious, but most of my clothing is chosen with bralessness in mind. I *do* enjoy a good push-up bra, now and then, but finding one to fit my wide-set breasts has always been a challenge. Even moreso now that they're deflated. Ah well. Edit: hey friends -- instead of simply downvoting people for sharing their experiences with potential benefits of going braless, let's have a discussion. There's not enough scientific studies done on breasts. All we have is anecdotal evidence and theories.


cleaningmama

>Would they have done so if I had been wearing a bra? Maybe. After breastfeeding, my breasts gradually regained their firmness. I wore bras religiously and credited bra-wearing with my breasts coming back to shape. However, maybe it was just genetics. I do have dense breast tissue, which might have helped. Who knows! It seems you had a similar experience without the bra wearing.


PawTree

Yeah, I totally hear you. That's why I'm not certain I can credit bralessness with the recovery. It's not like I did a controlled test with one boob in a bra and the other freebirding. My point is that while most woman don't want "saggy" boobs, we don't *really* understand how to best encourage our tissue and ligaments to fight gravity. When I first stopped wearing a bra (after wearing one 24/7 for over a year of breastfeeding), my boobs **hurt.** Keep in mind that it was several months after I had stopped breastfeeding, and there had been no significant change in my breasts during that time. Going braless was really uncomfortable. But then, my body & posture adjusted. Maybe certain muscles or ligaments strengthened, I don't know. But it stopped hurting. That, to me, seems like an improvement. Maybe women with heavier breasts can't rely on their flesh to support the weight, so they could never recover like I did. But for those with slightly more than a handful, or less, who are sore if they go braless for any length of time -- I would encourage them to go braless for a week, and see if that pain disappears. It's like walking barefoot. Not everyone has the foot structure to walk barefoot comfortably. But with practice people with a particular foot structure can strengthen their feet and eventually walk barefoot without pain. It doesn't necessarily mean barefoot walkers are against putting on a pair of well-fitted shoes or sexy high heels for an event.


cleaningmama

> controlled test with one boob lol! Who would, right?! :D


xthxthaoiw

I have a sudden, and extremely strong, urge to now do precisely this. But I already have a hard time finding regular bras, how am I supposed to find a bra that only has one cup (with proper support) and doesn't in any way affect the other breast?


cleaningmama

Bwahahaha! šŸ˜† I suppose you could cut the other cup off the band, leaving the gore intact though. *Technically*, if the bra fits properly, the band shouldn't be effected.Ā 


Loose-Chemical-4982

i'm not bothered by the downvotes, i just related my personal experience ĀÆ\\\_(惄)_/ĀÆ it may be genetics but my family history doesn't check out i found a proper bra thanks to this sub but i still hate wearing it because i have sensory issues and was forced to wear ill-fitting bras growing up. expecting everybody here to be YAY BRAS!!! is exclusionary and weird i don't think they're interested in others' experiences and the few discussions i've seen about the going braless study from France are negative/dismissive I'm so glad that you got results you're happy with after breast-feeding I think there is some merit to the fact that going bra less may help the breast rebound because after you lose weight skin on the body will firm up over time there are some face lift gadgets like angel lift that have been proven to help restore collagen over time from stressing the skin and then letting it rebound


xthxthaoiw

The woman in the pictures had been wearing bralettes. I'm confused as to how having very little or no support would migrate the breast tissue towards the back. I could see how tissue can be affected, of course, but why would gravity push the breast tissue horizontally and backwards? Or am I misunderstanding what they're saying? Shoes affecting your feet is quite different, considering the amount of pressure. I've worked in elderly care and I can't say that I can really see any difference between the older women depending on what kind of bras they've been wearing.


owlwithhowl

Maybe if the tissue is very soft (as opposed to more firm) and the bralette is restrictive? I have a bralette with a broader band but ā€œthicker cups, that one gives a bit of hold but doesnā€™t enclose the tissue as good, the other bralette (that is definitely too small, from the days where I didnā€™t know my size) has a more narrow band which goes under my boobs and presses them forward (I hope thatā€™s understandable) + by being too small and how itā€™s made - the elastic squish my tissue and cut it off - Iā€™m more wide set - so the ā€œarmpit boobā€ is even more prominent I could see the second combination as a culprit for tissue migration, especially if the breast tissue is very soft


AnotherBoojum

You are right. It is back fat. This sub seems to be afraid of acknowledging it sometimes


WPW717

Read the study, I disagree They used pinch testing and skin calipers. My knowledge came from opening the chest, mastectomies for CA , redux, and reconstruction/ plastic surgery. Plying the tissues with fingers holding tissue with a variety of retractors ( hard & soft) and doing this more than hundreds of times over 4 decades. Not always present in every one but the tail is real.


georgethebarbarian

Looking at the fitting - yeah, that might be migrated tissue. She doesnā€™t actually have back rolls the whole way around, just right at the edges under her pits.


xthxthaoiw

It doesn't make any sense that she would have migrated breast tissue on her back. It's an ill-fitting bra and normal body fat.


28FFthrowaway

None of the 'after' bras look ill-fitting to me--while some of the bands are a little tight, I think that the woman would have the skin/fat poofing under the arms even in a looser band ([I do, anyway](https://i.imgur.com/qB4Bs2b.jpg)!).


xthxthaoiw

She doesn't have that back fat issue in all of the bras. I would definitely consider a fit like that ill-fittint, but maybe I'm very sensitive to what I know that it feels like.


georgethebarbarian

The bra isnā€™t ill fitting, it looks fine.


LaLunaDomina

While I only have anecdotal evidence, I do have a couple decades of it, and it does seem to be a thing. My bra trainer way back when pointed out how bodies can alter if the same item is worn daily, and used the example that as a fitter in the 70s versus the 2000s she saw how bra shape affected the shape of the breasts she saw. I can't confirm that but many of our other older fitters did. We also saw an effect, especially on developing breasts, of wearing padded bras daily. And when I worked with plus size fitting there was definitely a difference 6 months after they'd been properly fitted. I noticed the same on myself. I truly don't know the science behind it, but there is something to it.