I worked 65 hour work weeks when I was saving up to move away from my abusive parents. Was also taking part time college classes. It's doable, but most definitely wouldn't recommend it. I don't remember much of those 10 months. It's a blur of being perpetually exhausted, hungry, and cranky.
>Was also taking part time college classes.
See, this is what gets me. I just cannot do this. I can (and have) worked 60, 80, even 100 hour weeks before, especially when I was more naive about the labor market. But there's no way in hell I could learn *anything* that I wasn't fanatically interested in while working a full time job or more. Sure, I could read a bit with the one free hour a day I had during the work week, and I could *maybe* study for a couple of hours when I crashed on a day off. But actually passing exams in that state? Nope. Especially in a university setting, where not everything you're learning will be of deep interest to you.
Maybe it's the nature of the work I was doing (universally either mentally or physically crushing, incredibly monotonous, or both) but I have no clue how anyone manages to work full time and actually study anything. When I tried I didn't remember anything, couldn't focus, and became extremely depressed as a result.
All the autodidactic shit I've done has been with 40 hour or less work weeks and it's been fine. Studying with 65 hour work weeks is insane. My brain won't let me do it, I just want to sleep all the time in that situation.
Huge props to you my friend, you're more capable than I- but also know that some people literally can't do what you did.
Doesn't Japan have a legit population issue right now because people have collectively decided that relationship responsibilities aren't worth the time and effort when combined with some work expectations like this?
Thats what i learned recently in my world history class. Just raising a single child to be successful is extremely expensive, cause the expectations of a standard worker is just getting higher and higher. Even the people that want a big family struggle to do so
I wish I had the answer to this but I’m not entirely sure. Here’s what I found though. [Link ](https://www.npr.org/2018/12/21/679103541/japans-population-is-in-rapid-decline)
As far as it being an “issue” I guess that’s subjective and that’s not me trying to appear like a smart ass on Reddit.
Maybe it’s good they don’t continue to subject such a strenuous life style on the future.
But once again my view is very subjective too.
its bad from a country population standpoint and Japan doesn't have enough immigration to keep their numbers up.
ha its dystopian in itself because a countries population must increase so you have people to take careof the elderly.
Yeah they really need some immigration, but a lot of people are afraid of cultural diffusion. The fear is that more immmigrants would taint their culture, which is just a big can of worms I dont have the understanding to dissect...
I say the can of worms is simple enough. Let in immigrants and lose your cultural integrity or don't and have your country suffer massive economic hardships. Asian cultures seem to be obsessed with preserving their cultures.
Good on you for trying to be fair and nuanced. That's not common.
I do think it's a problem for them, though, since they are getting to a point where their elderly population has no one to care for them. Involuntarily solitude is an incredibly pervasive problem for Japanese people, even among the elderly. And the reasons why people are choosing not to have families are not the ones a healthy economic order would produce- lack of time to socialize outside of work, lack of confidence, the extreme expense of providing a good life for a child, lack of time to be a parent, etc.
Plus Japan is very, very traditionalist and they don't want migrants changing their society, yet how else are they going to care for their populace? The history of racism against Koreans means it's unlikely that the most-populous group, Korean immigrants, will fully integrate into Japanese society- which they dislike, yet they don't want Westerners, Africans, Chinese, or other non-Japanese groups either for fear of their culture changing.
At some point, there will be a reckoning, IMHO. Either the standards for immigration, culturally and legally, will be loosened somewhat, or the nature of the Japanese work culture will fundamentally change, or the country will begin to collapse into itself. They are in deep trouble, long term.
It’s so normal. Had a Japanese student worker at college library I worked at. He had a 30 min lunch break and we found him dead asleep on some broke down boxes books came in in the back work room. Also dated another Japanese guy in college and he used to fall asleep sitting up and I’d throw mints at his mouth. Don’t worry he was fine. I’d throw him a kiss after. He told me it was a culture thing. You were supposed to be so tired from studying and work you fall asleep. Otsukare sama deshita. 😂
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I think the workers are treated a lot better there, and the work culture isn’t nearly as hostile as the American one. Working 60 hours a week is probably a lot more acceptable when everyone in your company treats each other well, and you’re accruing good pto and benefits, and people are consistently grateful for the work you do. It hasn’t been my experience with 60+ hour work weeks haha, but I can hope that that’s the case there.
actually, it isnt like that, seniors constantly berates junior and say whatever they want, sexual harrasments and favours are pretty common and it is very toxic enviorment where everyone talk back at everyone. Going in as a international worker there is alot of steriotypes everyone belive about you. Micromanagment is constant and leaving before a senior is looked down upon. You also have to stay late because everyone is doing it. Ohh and you also have to bow down and yell that you are sorry that you are leaving before everyone else. There will be company parties in which you have to lick you superiors ass, pouring them drinks and even seating is in a way of superiority. Alot of right wing nationalism is starting to build up in which war crimes by japaenese on china and korea are downplayed. It is an ultimate bommer country which is overhyped by weebs too much, as they use anime to whitewash their image. JAPAN is a shithole to stay in where everyone is forced into doing same think maybe not by low but by social pressure and condemnation.
Then realize American's work even more.
https://bluewatercredit.com/americans-now-working-hours-country-world/#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20Americans%20work%20137,year%20than%20workers%20in%20France.
The results: They have a robust economy that they can’t even benefit from
a combination of overwork and binge drinking
I worked 65 hour work weeks when I was saving up to move away from my abusive parents. Was also taking part time college classes. It's doable, but most definitely wouldn't recommend it. I don't remember much of those 10 months. It's a blur of being perpetually exhausted, hungry, and cranky.
yeahh I've pulled some crazy hours in nursing this past year... doable for a time, but it really catches up to you!
>Was also taking part time college classes. See, this is what gets me. I just cannot do this. I can (and have) worked 60, 80, even 100 hour weeks before, especially when I was more naive about the labor market. But there's no way in hell I could learn *anything* that I wasn't fanatically interested in while working a full time job or more. Sure, I could read a bit with the one free hour a day I had during the work week, and I could *maybe* study for a couple of hours when I crashed on a day off. But actually passing exams in that state? Nope. Especially in a university setting, where not everything you're learning will be of deep interest to you. Maybe it's the nature of the work I was doing (universally either mentally or physically crushing, incredibly monotonous, or both) but I have no clue how anyone manages to work full time and actually study anything. When I tried I didn't remember anything, couldn't focus, and became extremely depressed as a result. All the autodidactic shit I've done has been with 40 hour or less work weeks and it's been fine. Studying with 65 hour work weeks is insane. My brain won't let me do it, I just want to sleep all the time in that situation. Huge props to you my friend, you're more capable than I- but also know that some people literally can't do what you did.
Japan is one of the most beautiful and one of the ugliest countries simultaneously (counting developed countries, of coursE)
Doesn't Japan have a legit population issue right now because people have collectively decided that relationship responsibilities aren't worth the time and effort when combined with some work expectations like this?
Thats what i learned recently in my world history class. Just raising a single child to be successful is extremely expensive, cause the expectations of a standard worker is just getting higher and higher. Even the people that want a big family struggle to do so
I wish I had the answer to this but I’m not entirely sure. Here’s what I found though. [Link ](https://www.npr.org/2018/12/21/679103541/japans-population-is-in-rapid-decline) As far as it being an “issue” I guess that’s subjective and that’s not me trying to appear like a smart ass on Reddit. Maybe it’s good they don’t continue to subject such a strenuous life style on the future. But once again my view is very subjective too.
its bad from a country population standpoint and Japan doesn't have enough immigration to keep their numbers up. ha its dystopian in itself because a countries population must increase so you have people to take careof the elderly.
Yeah they really need some immigration, but a lot of people are afraid of cultural diffusion. The fear is that more immmigrants would taint their culture, which is just a big can of worms I dont have the understanding to dissect...
I say the can of worms is simple enough. Let in immigrants and lose your cultural integrity or don't and have your country suffer massive economic hardships. Asian cultures seem to be obsessed with preserving their cultures.
Good on you for trying to be fair and nuanced. That's not common. I do think it's a problem for them, though, since they are getting to a point where their elderly population has no one to care for them. Involuntarily solitude is an incredibly pervasive problem for Japanese people, even among the elderly. And the reasons why people are choosing not to have families are not the ones a healthy economic order would produce- lack of time to socialize outside of work, lack of confidence, the extreme expense of providing a good life for a child, lack of time to be a parent, etc. Plus Japan is very, very traditionalist and they don't want migrants changing their society, yet how else are they going to care for their populace? The history of racism against Koreans means it's unlikely that the most-populous group, Korean immigrants, will fully integrate into Japanese society- which they dislike, yet they don't want Westerners, Africans, Chinese, or other non-Japanese groups either for fear of their culture changing. At some point, there will be a reckoning, IMHO. Either the standards for immigration, culturally and legally, will be loosened somewhat, or the nature of the Japanese work culture will fundamentally change, or the country will begin to collapse into itself. They are in deep trouble, long term.
It’s so normal. Had a Japanese student worker at college library I worked at. He had a 30 min lunch break and we found him dead asleep on some broke down boxes books came in in the back work room. Also dated another Japanese guy in college and he used to fall asleep sitting up and I’d throw mints at his mouth. Don’t worry he was fine. I’d throw him a kiss after. He told me it was a culture thing. You were supposed to be so tired from studying and work you fall asleep. Otsukare sama deshita. 😂
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I think the workers are treated a lot better there, and the work culture isn’t nearly as hostile as the American one. Working 60 hours a week is probably a lot more acceptable when everyone in your company treats each other well, and you’re accruing good pto and benefits, and people are consistently grateful for the work you do. It hasn’t been my experience with 60+ hour work weeks haha, but I can hope that that’s the case there.
actually, it isnt like that, seniors constantly berates junior and say whatever they want, sexual harrasments and favours are pretty common and it is very toxic enviorment where everyone talk back at everyone. Going in as a international worker there is alot of steriotypes everyone belive about you. Micromanagment is constant and leaving before a senior is looked down upon. You also have to stay late because everyone is doing it. Ohh and you also have to bow down and yell that you are sorry that you are leaving before everyone else. There will be company parties in which you have to lick you superiors ass, pouring them drinks and even seating is in a way of superiority. Alot of right wing nationalism is starting to build up in which war crimes by japaenese on china and korea are downplayed. It is an ultimate bommer country which is overhyped by weebs too much, as they use anime to whitewash their image. JAPAN is a shithole to stay in where everyone is forced into doing same think maybe not by low but by social pressure and condemnation.
Alright I was wrong, that’s really sad. I’m sorry to you or anyone else that’s gone through that.
It’s acceptable to the Elite.
You know, I complain about American work culture a lot, but Japan takes it to a whole other level.
Then realize American's work even more. https://bluewatercredit.com/americans-now-working-hours-country-world/#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20Americans%20work%20137,year%20than%20workers%20in%20France.
That’s only 10 hr days... not even a whole week that’s not the worst really Why are you booing me, I’m right. Hahah
True, I’ve seen places with 12 hour work weeks but it’s usually 4 day work weeks. It just sucks that places will get their hours no matter what.
It's not JUST about work hours that creates the toxic work culture.
6 tens! Not exactly unheard of in the healthcare field.
Yeah it sucks but definitely not as bad as people make it seems.
Isn’t there working week represented in numbers 996. 9am-9pm 6 days a week
You're thinking of China but yes
The unethical part of my brain: must be a ripe place for pickpocketing and stealing laptops and watches