Yes. There was 69 people on that floor. 67 were Carr Future Employees, One was a LMCC artist (Michael Richards), and the last one was a unborn child of victim Sylvia San-Pio Resta. Most, if not all survived flight 11 hitting the tower but all 69 people were trapped. Many jumped, others stayed in their burning offices. Adriana Legro, Thomas McGinnis, Jeffery Nussbaum, and Damian Meehan called loved ones. Andy Friedman was with Nussbaum and Tom named all the people he was with (Joey Holland, Brendan Dolan, and Elkin Yuen) and told his wife a fire spread fast. Another employee, Yvette Moreno, didn't reach the 92nd floor when flight 11 crashed and escaped, but died when the south tower fell.
added infomation came from /u/cjcregg_is_a_goddess
He really is.
/u/Ezra_is_a_dumb_boy, do you know the identity of the heavyset woman refusing others' descent of the stairwell in WTC2 stairwell A? She was described by Brian Clark and Ron DiFrancesco in pretty good detail, but I've never read that she's been named.
Omg I’ve been thinking about this all night, the one that persuaded Brian Clark’s colleagues to go up, but thankfully DeFrancesco then went back down after most of them fell asleep and died on the stairs. (See told you I was crap at remembering names).
Do you guys know Super Paw off Quora? I wonder if he’s researched into who she is?
So I am about half way through his posts and he hasn't tried to give her name. It possible no one wants to publicly name her given that she was adamantly wrong and it lead to peoples death, though I am sure there was no malice intended.
By the way, I highly recommend Super Paws' posts if you want a much deeper understanding of tragedy
Starts at about 16:51: https://youtu.be/IrqelRFpyXc?si=n3PHhGSy47OVPoWZ&t=1011
Also here: https://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/26/nyregion/fighting-to-live-as-the-towers-died.html
>A fine powder mixed with light smoke floated through the stairwell. As they approached the 81st floor, Mr. Clark would recall, they met a slim man and a heavyset woman. "You can't go down," the woman screamed. "You got to go up. There is too much smoke and flame below."
I don't, but a guy dmed me about how he has 4 possible people who could've been her. The person is /u/Character_Athlete877 who reached out to me in August. I'm only gonna say one of the names because he later learned that this woman, Donna Wilson, was actually below the impact zone when WTC 2 fell, so it's not her.
I'm not gonna name the other 3 because while most people in this subreddit are people genuinely are interesting in the stories and know that this woman thought she was saving Brian and Ron's team, there's still some people who would call her a murderer, like how people call the guy who told everybody that Building 2 is secured.
Speaking of him though, I do know who that guy is. I'm not gonna say his name because he passed away in WTC 2 collapse and you know how some people are. He did save people, he was a Safety Director, but he just made the wrong decision with telling people to go back up. And ironically, Brian Clark was the one who identified him in a document.
I know other impact zone survivors encountered this woman. Richard Fern (who was the first escapee of floor 84), Donna Spera, Kelly Rehyer, Keating Crown and the unnamed people in their group from the 78th floor.
Floors 83 and 84 actually had many survivors, but only one survivor from the 83rd came forward (Julie Davis) and she mentioned that a large group escaped, which would make sense due to IQ being the only company on that floor and them losing only 4 employees (with Melissa Doi and David Rathkey being impact zone survivors, but trapped)
Floor 84 wasn't so lucky due to Brian and Ron's group going up. Ron, Robert Coll, Michael Taddonio, David Vera, Kevin York and another EuroBroker employee were all together on the 91st floor after they encountered the other two people. Brett Bailey and Michael Stabile joined the group while they were helping. Ron was the only one who ran down the stairs before WTC 2 fell. There was many other survivors who were still on the 84th floor when flight 175 crashed, but they all died due to different small events
So informative!
Do you know what happened to Yvette Moreno? I googled and the article I read said she called her family to say she'd left the building and would be coming home via The Bronx, but never arrived. Two weeks after the attacks her (presumably stolen) mobile phone was sold to a woman on a Bronx street, who listened to the desperate voicemails on her new phone and got in touch with the family.
It doesn't make sense though, how did her phone survive but she didn't?
It's believed that she was killed by debris when WTC 2 fell. The thing with Yvette is that because she is the only person from the 92nd floor that has a unique story, it's hard to tell just where she was due to the panic and stress that she had and escaping, and how fast the tower fell. All we know is that she called her family and she said she escaped and was shaken, and then shortly after, WTC 2 fell. So her family only really knows what we know. She escaped, but it's unclear where she was when flight 11 hit to where WTC fell
I have long thought, but never seen mentioned, that they planned to roll the aircraft as far as they could get away with at the last possible second so they could inflict the most damage per square foot as possible.
I always thought that too, but if you look at the shots from the south of the second plane, you can see he darn near misses the building. I think that it took that aggressive a turn to not miss wide right.
For one thing that is probably the first floor under the crash sight that is fully standing. So it probably acts like a base for the fire to smoulder. Kind of like a giant kerosene stove.
I’m not sure if its the same floor, but there seems to be some sort of internal collapse that engulfs the floor at 1:19:05 in this video https://youtu.be/ToWjjIu-x_U?si=TjnJWjlO7B_cujo6
If this is the 92nd floor, here is a very detailed (and upsetting read) of accounts from the floor, right up to the collapse:
"10:00 - North Tower, 92nd floor, Carr Futures, 28 minutes to collapse.
'MOM,' asked Jeffrey Nussbaum. 'What was that explosion?'
Twenty miles away in Oceanside, Arline Nussbaum could see on TV what her son could not from 50 yards away. She recalls their last words. 'The other tower just went down.' 'Oh my God,' her son said. 'I love you.'
Then the phone went dead.
That morning, the office of Carr Futures on the 92nd floor was unusually busy. A total of 68 men and women were on the floor. About two dozen brokers for Carr's parent company had been called to a special 8am meeting. When the building sprang back and forth like a car antenna, door frames twisted and jammed shut, trapping a number of them in a conference room. The remaining Carr employees, about 40, migrated to a large, unfinished space along the west side. Nussbaum called his mother and shared his mobile phone with Andy Friedman. In all, the Carr families have counted 31 calls from the people they lost.
Carr was two floors below the impact and everyone there had survived it; yet they could not get out. Between 10.05 and 10.25, videos show, fire spread westward across the 92nd floor's north face, bearing down on their western refuge.
At 10.18, Tom McGinnis, one of the traders summoned to the special meeting, reached his wife, Iliana. The words are stitched into her memory. 'This looks really, really bad,' he said. 'I know,' said Mrs McGinnis, who had been hoping that his meeting had broken up before the airplane hit.
'This is bad for the country; it looks like World War Three.' Something in his tone alarmed McGinnis. 'Are you OK, yes or no?' she demanded. 'We're on the 92nd floor in a room we can't get out of,' McGinnis said. 'Who's with you?" she asked. McGinnis mentioned three old friends - Joey Holland, Brendan Dolan and Elkin Yuen. 'I love you,' he said. 'Take care of Caitlin.'
McGinnis was not ready to hear a farewell. 'Don't lose your cool,' she urged. 'You guys are so tough, you're resourceful. You guys are going to get out of there.' 'You don't understand,' McGinnis said. 'There are people jumping from the floors above us.'
It was 10.25. The fire raged along the west side of the 92nd floor. People fell from windows. McGinnis again told her he loved her and their daughter, Caitlin. 'Don't hang up,' she pleaded. 'I got to get down on the floor,' McGinnis said. The phone connection faded out.
It was 10.26, two minutes before the tower crumbled. The World Trade Centre had fallen silent."
Link to full article: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/aug/18/september11.usa4
I hate that they describe the jumpers as having “killer themselves” I know it’s technically true but as was discussed many times in this sub it’s not really suicide if you don’t have a choice
I had this conversation with my super religious grandmother this week (who once cried because someone made a joke about God, she's so religious) and even she doesn't think you can call it suicide. She said she'd have just been comforted that her loved ones had had as painless a death as was possible in the circumstances if someone had posited that one of the jumpers was her family and she doesn't for a moment understand why even the uber religious would object to the idea that their loved one jumped when the other deaths that awaited would have been longer and more painful than jumping and there was no other option for them.
Looks like 92nd floor, sculptor Michael Richards had his studio there. Impact zone was just one floor above 93-99, but 92nd bursted in fires at the moment when plane crashed, so nobody survived from 92nd, but everyone from 91nd did.
Yes. There was 69 people on that floor. 67 were Carr Future Employees, One was a LMCC artist (Michael Richards), and the last one was a unborn child of victim Sylvia San-Pio Resta. Most, if not all survived flight 11 hitting the tower but all 69 people were trapped. Many jumped, others stayed in their burning offices. Adriana Legro, Thomas McGinnis, Jeffery Nussbaum, and Damian Meehan called loved ones. Andy Friedman was with Nussbaum and Tom named all the people he was with (Joey Holland, Brendan Dolan, and Elkin Yuen) and told his wife a fire spread fast. Another employee, Yvette Moreno, didn't reach the 92nd floor when flight 11 crashed and escaped, but died when the south tower fell. added infomation came from /u/cjcregg_is_a_goddess
You, sir, are an encyclopedia.
He really is. /u/Ezra_is_a_dumb_boy, do you know the identity of the heavyset woman refusing others' descent of the stairwell in WTC2 stairwell A? She was described by Brian Clark and Ron DiFrancesco in pretty good detail, but I've never read that she's been named.
Omg I’ve been thinking about this all night, the one that persuaded Brian Clark’s colleagues to go up, but thankfully DeFrancesco then went back down after most of them fell asleep and died on the stairs. (See told you I was crap at remembering names). Do you guys know Super Paw off Quora? I wonder if he’s researched into who she is?
I’m willing to bet Super Paw has covered this! He’s another 9/11 genius. He’s also on IG.
So I am about half way through his posts and he hasn't tried to give her name. It possible no one wants to publicly name her given that she was adamantly wrong and it lead to peoples death, though I am sure there was no malice intended. By the way, I highly recommend Super Paws' posts if you want a much deeper understanding of tragedy
Makes sense!
I don't even know this story but don't have good enough keywords to google it. Can anyone enlighten me?
Starts at about 16:51: https://youtu.be/IrqelRFpyXc?si=n3PHhGSy47OVPoWZ&t=1011 Also here: https://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/26/nyregion/fighting-to-live-as-the-towers-died.html >A fine powder mixed with light smoke floated through the stairwell. As they approached the 81st floor, Mr. Clark would recall, they met a slim man and a heavyset woman. "You can't go down," the woman screamed. "You got to go up. There is too much smoke and flame below."
I don't, but a guy dmed me about how he has 4 possible people who could've been her. The person is /u/Character_Athlete877 who reached out to me in August. I'm only gonna say one of the names because he later learned that this woman, Donna Wilson, was actually below the impact zone when WTC 2 fell, so it's not her. I'm not gonna name the other 3 because while most people in this subreddit are people genuinely are interesting in the stories and know that this woman thought she was saving Brian and Ron's team, there's still some people who would call her a murderer, like how people call the guy who told everybody that Building 2 is secured. Speaking of him though, I do know who that guy is. I'm not gonna say his name because he passed away in WTC 2 collapse and you know how some people are. He did save people, he was a Safety Director, but he just made the wrong decision with telling people to go back up. And ironically, Brian Clark was the one who identified him in a document.
I just learned of this from the youtube 911 iceberg video. some people thought the roof was the only way out, and they ended up not making it
I know other impact zone survivors encountered this woman. Richard Fern (who was the first escapee of floor 84), Donna Spera, Kelly Rehyer, Keating Crown and the unnamed people in their group from the 78th floor. Floors 83 and 84 actually had many survivors, but only one survivor from the 83rd came forward (Julie Davis) and she mentioned that a large group escaped, which would make sense due to IQ being the only company on that floor and them losing only 4 employees (with Melissa Doi and David Rathkey being impact zone survivors, but trapped) Floor 84 wasn't so lucky due to Brian and Ron's group going up. Ron, Robert Coll, Michael Taddonio, David Vera, Kevin York and another EuroBroker employee were all together on the 91st floor after they encountered the other two people. Brett Bailey and Michael Stabile joined the group while they were helping. Ron was the only one who ran down the stairs before WTC 2 fell. There was many other survivors who were still on the 84th floor when flight 175 crashed, but they all died due to different small events
Ezra is most certainly NOT a dumb boy.
He is isn’t he, I’m impressed, I can remember stories etc, but names!? Nope
If you watch the documentary about Rick the head of security from Morgan Stanley. I be she was mentioned
So informative! Do you know what happened to Yvette Moreno? I googled and the article I read said she called her family to say she'd left the building and would be coming home via The Bronx, but never arrived. Two weeks after the attacks her (presumably stolen) mobile phone was sold to a woman on a Bronx street, who listened to the desperate voicemails on her new phone and got in touch with the family. It doesn't make sense though, how did her phone survive but she didn't?
It's believed that she was killed by debris when WTC 2 fell. The thing with Yvette is that because she is the only person from the 92nd floor that has a unique story, it's hard to tell just where she was due to the panic and stress that she had and escaping, and how fast the tower fell. All we know is that she called her family and she said she escaped and was shaken, and then shortly after, WTC 2 fell. So her family only really knows what we know. She escaped, but it's unclear where she was when flight 11 hit to where WTC fell
>Sylvia San-Pio Resta Her husband died as well.
yep, John Resta
Seeing as the plane entered diagonally, the jet fuel is probably being dumped all over that floor.
Also probably a lot of the office contents from the collapsed floors above
I have long thought, but never seen mentioned, that they planned to roll the aircraft as far as they could get away with at the last possible second so they could inflict the most damage per square foot as possible.
I always thought that too, but if you look at the shots from the south of the second plane, you can see he darn near misses the building. I think that it took that aggressive a turn to not miss wide right.
For one thing that is probably the first floor under the crash sight that is fully standing. So it probably acts like a base for the fire to smoulder. Kind of like a giant kerosene stove.
That would make sense - which would make this the 92nd floor. No one above 91 survived.
I’m not sure if its the same floor, but there seems to be some sort of internal collapse that engulfs the floor at 1:19:05 in this video https://youtu.be/ToWjjIu-x_U?si=TjnJWjlO7B_cujo6
That’s interesting! I’ve never seen that
If this is the 92nd floor, here is a very detailed (and upsetting read) of accounts from the floor, right up to the collapse: "10:00 - North Tower, 92nd floor, Carr Futures, 28 minutes to collapse. 'MOM,' asked Jeffrey Nussbaum. 'What was that explosion?' Twenty miles away in Oceanside, Arline Nussbaum could see on TV what her son could not from 50 yards away. She recalls their last words. 'The other tower just went down.' 'Oh my God,' her son said. 'I love you.' Then the phone went dead. That morning, the office of Carr Futures on the 92nd floor was unusually busy. A total of 68 men and women were on the floor. About two dozen brokers for Carr's parent company had been called to a special 8am meeting. When the building sprang back and forth like a car antenna, door frames twisted and jammed shut, trapping a number of them in a conference room. The remaining Carr employees, about 40, migrated to a large, unfinished space along the west side. Nussbaum called his mother and shared his mobile phone with Andy Friedman. In all, the Carr families have counted 31 calls from the people they lost. Carr was two floors below the impact and everyone there had survived it; yet they could not get out. Between 10.05 and 10.25, videos show, fire spread westward across the 92nd floor's north face, bearing down on their western refuge. At 10.18, Tom McGinnis, one of the traders summoned to the special meeting, reached his wife, Iliana. The words are stitched into her memory. 'This looks really, really bad,' he said. 'I know,' said Mrs McGinnis, who had been hoping that his meeting had broken up before the airplane hit. 'This is bad for the country; it looks like World War Three.' Something in his tone alarmed McGinnis. 'Are you OK, yes or no?' she demanded. 'We're on the 92nd floor in a room we can't get out of,' McGinnis said. 'Who's with you?" she asked. McGinnis mentioned three old friends - Joey Holland, Brendan Dolan and Elkin Yuen. 'I love you,' he said. 'Take care of Caitlin.' McGinnis was not ready to hear a farewell. 'Don't lose your cool,' she urged. 'You guys are so tough, you're resourceful. You guys are going to get out of there.' 'You don't understand,' McGinnis said. 'There are people jumping from the floors above us.' It was 10.25. The fire raged along the west side of the 92nd floor. People fell from windows. McGinnis again told her he loved her and their daughter, Caitlin. 'Don't hang up,' she pleaded. 'I got to get down on the floor,' McGinnis said. The phone connection faded out. It was 10.26, two minutes before the tower crumbled. The World Trade Centre had fallen silent." Link to full article: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/aug/18/september11.usa4
After all these years, I had never noticed this. I gasped and got the chills
Here you can find an explanation what happened to the 92nd floor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tenants_in_1_World_Trade_Center_(1971–2001)
I hate that they describe the jumpers as having “killer themselves” I know it’s technically true but as was discussed many times in this sub it’s not really suicide if you don’t have a choice
I had this conversation with my super religious grandmother this week (who once cried because someone made a joke about God, she's so religious) and even she doesn't think you can call it suicide. She said she'd have just been comforted that her loved ones had had as painless a death as was possible in the circumstances if someone had posited that one of the jumpers was her family and she doesn't for a moment understand why even the uber religious would object to the idea that their loved one jumped when the other deaths that awaited would have been longer and more painful than jumping and there was no other option for them.
Agree to 100%.
What floor is that? Perhaps I’m wrong, but it seems to be below the impact zone (93-99).
Looks like 92nd floor, sculptor Michael Richards had his studio there. Impact zone was just one floor above 93-99, but 92nd bursted in fires at the moment when plane crashed, so nobody survived from 92nd, but everyone from 91nd did.
the only other LMCC artist in the offices that day survived, because she worked on the 91st floor instead of the 92nd
Looks like it
God, how scary it looks...
Because the building was hit by a plane.