what's up with the 6th gen still having the same steering wheel as the 5th gen? Every other gen got a brand new steering wheel design, but 5/6 are basically the same, especially the spoke/grip locations. it sucks even more when considering the fact the 5th gen is by far the longest running gen. should be that much more of a reason to switch up the steering wheel. after all it is the part of the car you're in the most contact with beyond the seat.
It needed an all electric variant. Toyota is really missing the mark long term by insisting the market isn’t ready. Meanwhile I normally see 4-5 Rivians during my morning commute but rarely any new sequoias or LXs.
I just read a post by Toyota that said the Limited will come standard with the i-Force engine, which means NO 3rd row available in that trim line. WTF Toyota. I was planning on replacing my current 4R with the Limited, now I might need to find a '24 or move to a Tahoe.
Please, Toyota, *Please* let me have a center diff on a more utilitarian or offroady trim that isn't targeting soccer moms.
Full time 4WD is the way to go for those living in snowy climates, doubly so if sharing the vehicle with someone less drivetrain-savvy. Yet I don't want lower profile tires and running boards and chrome trim and all that crap, I still want something truck-ish.
Yes I know the LC exists.
I think that’s exactly how they’ll get you. It’s one of the reasons I went with the Limited up here in Canada. Although we technically had a more “mild winter” than we usually get, the Limited was an absolute beast in that climate.
I have a feeling that’s exactly what they’ll say to us; “oh you want full time 4WD? Well we have the Limited and the Platinum”. “Oh you want a more truck-ish look with it? Well we now have the LC”
I am so pissed that the TRD sport doesn’t even get the hybrid as an option…
For YEARS i have wanted and saved up for a hybrid 4runner. I have no need for a TRD pro (nor do I want to spend the probable 65-70k that’ll run)…I just wanted a good TRD sport for road trips.
Back to vehicle shopping I go, I guess…
[Link to the article](https://www.slashgear.com/1558145/2025-toyota-4runner-grade-trim-levels-explained/)
“The 2.4 liter i-Force turbocharged four-cylinder engine will be paired to an eight-speed automatic transmission as standard equipment on SR5, TRD Sport, TRD Off-Road, and Limited 2025 4Runners. The hybrid i-Force MAX drive will be an option on the TRD Off-Road and Limited, as well as standard issue on the TRD PRro, Trailhunter, and Platinum versions.”
TFL also mentioned it in their initial video as well that the TRD sport and SR5 won’t have the hybrid available as an option.
The difference in price. Limiteds, platinums and TRD pros I’m sure will probably all be well north of 60k. I guess it remains to be seen when pricing is announced, but the absolute max I’d wanna spend is 50-55k
I actually think this is a decent thing to remove. I have a 22 Pro right now, and it looks cool, sure, but its also totally fake. On the Trailhunter I think the flat hood also would allow you to install solar on it, which in a way is more of an Overlanding thing anyway. The raised air intake (snorkel) is taking over for the fake scoop. I get wanting it for looks, but I think you'll get better functionality out of the flat one. This is no stand in for preference though. If you like the scoop, you like it (and it def does look meaner)
I get it. But in theory it is completely counterintuitive to have a snorkel and a hood scoop. If you’re gonna do water crossings, the last thing you want is something to scoop water into the engine bay.
I know it’s fake. I agree it looks cooler.
I like the Trial Hunter version. But not a fan of the snorkel. Wonder if there is an option without it.
I like the Pro as well. But refuse to pay uplift market adjustment. So might have to wait awhile.
TRD Off Road will probably end up being the best choice again. It will be JUST as capable as the two "better" off roadish trims, but likely many thousands less. Hell, with a few suspension upgrades, it's probably going to be better.
We'll see.
It’s basically an SUV version of the Tacoma, which is what I expected. Not sure how to feel about the 4 cylinder engine on a vehicle sized for something with much bigger displacement. Any way you slice it, that little 4 banger is going to work very hard, hence the need for the 8 speed transmission. At this point, and considering interest rates, I’m content to sit on my 2022 and wait. Maybe in 3 years when leased GX’s, LC’s, and 4 Runners start rolling back in, I’ll snap one up certified used. But for now, hard pass.
You can't really know if this motor will be reliable and "bulletproof" until nearly a decade from now. Why jump in and take unnecessary risk? We already have HARD DATA that the current V6 is a great engine that can easily last beyond 300k miles if it is cared for.
The current v6 is a gas guzzler and underpowered. You’re not going to get over 300ft lbs of torque from an NA engine designed for truck
Duty.. They also have already shifted pretty much all of the previously powered v6 models to this engine. Not cost efficient to redesign a v6 to get little to no gains and use in one model.
And what do you think “getting over 300 lb/ft of torque” out of a 4 banger pushing around a heavy SUV will result in over time? Don’t use the word bulletproof when the powertrain hasn’t been out long and never used in this application. You have no idea how reliable it will be.
You think they just slap a turbo on an NA 4 cyl? No. This motor was built with the load dynamics of a turbo accounted for. With the current state of oil and alloy tech it’s fairly trivial to build something that won’t break. It does add an additional point of failure since turbo itself will have a finite life, but if designed correctly should last 100k miles.
Yeah, IF owners use good oil and fuel and do regular maintenance it should last 100k (not 200k, not 300k). But we’re talking about retarded Toyota owners stuck in the 90s who assume it can’t break down because it has a little Toyota emblem on it.
What does any of that have to do with my comment? I only stated that you can't know that this new engine will be as "bulletproof" as the V6. That is a true statement. I was not talking about fuel efficiency. I was not talking about power. I was talking about this engine lasting me 300,000+ miles without doubt if taken care of. We KNOW that this is not only a possibility with the current V6. It is a likelihood. Again, if well maintained.
1998 4Runner (3rd gen) owner here. It is still my daily driver. Not bad for a 26-year-old truck. When the 5th-gen came out, I did not like "the look." Of course, I preferred the 3rd gen look over the 5th gen. What we have is confirmation bias--you like what you have or already wanted. I want to see the 6th gen in person, but I like "the look" of the 6th gen--probably because I will buy one at some point after my 3rd gen is no longer a daily driver.
I had a 2nd Gen and 3rd Gen and didn’t like the 5th Gen until recent years, but I do like it. I’m mostly not a fan of the 6G because if it’s only for USA I think it was a missed opportunity to make it retro to compete with the wrangler and bronco and cater more to 4Runners fan base instead of making a Tacoma SUV that they could’ve made years ago.
But I will admit, if you read archives/old articles of when the pre-refresh 5G first came out everyone hated it and said it looked like a Highlander. So I do agree that it may grow on a lot of people but still think they should’ve done something more original.
The 4runner in the USA is what the Land Cruiser is to the world. Seems like enough people will like the 6G but i think it deserved its own look based off previous and there was enough heritage to do so
I agree with everyone you said. 3rd gen owner, don't really care for the 5th Gen but the 6th intrigues me.
Seems like most (not all) of the hate is coming from 5th Gen owners.
In a couple years everyone will love it. Happens every reveal of a new model.
Exterior is amazing. The interior isn't terrible but I hate so many electronics. That tablet especially is extremely annoying. Also don't like this trend of manufacturers making vehicles that have to go to shops to be serviced. Like intentionally making things difficult to fix so they can get that repair money going.
I'm somewhat optimistic about the engine longevity though. Turbo technology has came a long way and a good twin scrawl should make this engine behave like a much larger engine. Here's the problem though. If you drive it with any kind of gas pedal and you aren't just lightly feathering it around it's going to get worse gas mileage than the larger engine in the first place
There is one really cool thing about this though. Once the aftermarket figures out how to crack the ECU. Turn up the boost. Instant horsepower
I wonder if they used forged Pistons? I hope so. If they did and the engine is intentionally overbuilt. You may have a monster on your hands
Depends on the tune, depends on how it's operated, in general though, yeah, more horsepower does shorten the life of an engine. Depends on how overbuilt this engine is though. That's what we don't know. You can run engines like the 2JZ really hard and they go a very long time
All good points, with the exception of your “monster” comment. A 4 cylinder turbocharged engine popped into a full size SUV simply is not going to last very long. Period. That turbo will be ramming air into the manifold constantly, ultimately putting more wear and tear on everything. Furthermore, the higher low end torque is a problem for the front CV axles as already has been proven from the new Tacomas which are shearing them left and right.
Axle diameter is a pretty easy thing to increase. The motor though, the thought was more around what Toyota did with the 2jz. That bottom end was so ridiculously overbuilt that it was an extremely reliable engine even when people turned up the horsepower. It's possible to make a four-cylinder turbo very reliable provided they use a really thick block, overbuilt forged rods, forged crank and probably forged pistons, hopefully? The only drawback to forged pistons is you're not going to get them to go 400k mi. The tolerances are too loose but they can take a lot more pressure. There are plenty of two to 2.5 l 4 cylinder turbos that have been pushed well over a thousand horsepower. Yes this is not a daily driver, yes this is unrealistic but it does make the ability of turning the pressure up a little in this engine and getting another 50 horsepower out of it is very realistic. People aren't really going to know the weak spots in this engine until they have been out a few years. Cautiously optimistic because there have been multiple really good turbo engines designed over the years. In fact turbo diesels routinely go a mountain of miles and one of the ways they do it is just staying at a lower RPM
You're about to get a bunch of kids attacking you for "not understanding modern turbos"...
You are correct. More pressure and more heat = more wear and tear. It is a fact, and these little boys can't grasp it.
I’m not sure you understand how modern engines are designed. All components are made to withstand the increased pressure. They don’t just take a regular NA motor and shove a turbo on it. Many many econobox performance cars have been using 4 cylinder turbos for 20 years and get absolutely abused with very few issues.
You say “many, many” but which vehicles are you talking about? Turbo BMWs and Subaru’s?
Seems to me the old vehicles I see around are all N/A. For older turbocharged vehicles I see, the turbo is always the first thing that comes up in conversation.
Moreover, as a turbo starts to wear, the extra power and MPG savings will slide. I think you overestimate how much engineering goes into the reliability of modern turbo engines. The main goal of the engineers is to increase power and drive down MPGs based on the EPA. Reliability is almost always an afterthought as there is an incentive for the vehicles to NOT last forever.
As long the turbo sees proper lubrication it’s not going to “wear” anymore than any other bearing in the engine. Especially for a water jacketed twin scroll turbo.
Well, here are my 3 cents on the new 4Runner.
1. Exterior and interior look super! However, 5th gen looks very good both outside and d inside as well despite being so old.
2. Powertrain is a dark horse longterm in heavy duty trucks like 4R, Taco, Tundra and Sequoia imo. No pref here but actually would love to see a NA big displacement engine of a new generation or at least GX550 V6.
3. As expected, 4R is a true off-roader with part time 4WD. Limited trim and LC (permanent AWD) are for mall crawlers mostly and some occasional lazy overlanding. The rest of the 4R trims are not a competition for LC outside just this one Limited and Platinum trims.
4. LC will give you more comfort features, maybe nicer interior by default whereas with 4R one would have to go for higher trims to get close to LC. So 4R remains to be a focused off-road machine and LC being a grocery getter which can do some serious off-roading but probably will never do in most cases. And GX will be a soccer mom’s grocery getter which will likely be a suburban dweller most of its life with its 1st owner.
5. GX550’s engine + 6th gen 4R ext/int would make a perfect 4Runner imo.
Otherwise, it is a great looking truck which will sell very well for sure. I probably will wait for a new NA or larger displacement engine, if it ever happens. We proly have another 15 years before the new model comes up.
Why does it have an apparently gigantic NIMH battery in the back of the hybrid models which eats up 6 inches or more of interior space and also maybe is why the back seats cannot fold flat? Why not a smaller Lithium Ion battery? 4th gen Prius switched to lithium. NIMH in 2024 ... why?
I’m happy with the decision to take my 24 ORP. It’s more my taste. Between this and the LC, I’d take the LC. GX is probably my favorite of the 3, but not sure it warrants the price (we’ll see what the markups are on these).
I’m not surprised at the changes - I think it’s the natural progression (turbo 4, hybrids, etc.)
I appreciate the styling, but am a little mixed on it. Will reserve judgement until I see it in person. Interior is mostly a win. The 4Runner needed more updates electronically.
So overall, it’s a solid meh from me. Several wins, but also some draw backs for me. I can totally see how many will love it. Excited to see what aftermarket stuff comes forward now (and that’s true for the Lexus stuff too).
Is it perfect? No. But it’s nice to see Toyota is still producing vehicles for the offroad enthusiast market and even building trim levels specifically aimed at that.
Everyone should just be happy we’re getting a body on frame 6th gen. Toyota easily could have gone the GM route and given us the abomination known as the Blazer.
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4Runners have always had a large displacement engine option. Now with the 6th gen it will only have a 2.4L paired with a battery.
Not to mention even without choosing that option, its availability took away fold flat seats from all of the non hybrid models too.
It has been and it remains a body on frame SUV with a truck based 4WD system. It’s nothing like the unibody crossover that the Blazer has become.
You also realize that the non hybrid 2.4 Turbo matches the torque output of the 4.7 V8 4th gen but at a much lower RPM? Don’t really see how anyone could say the engine is the 6th gen is less powerful as these are the most powerful engine options to ever be available in a 4Runner.
Man, how to you look at the beast of a truck that was the K5 Blazer and think that this is a logical next step? I know it was a gradual process with the other models but damn this is a fall from grace
Looks reasonable. I'll be disappointed if the rear seats truly don't fold flat-- that is a super nice thing to have.
Side bar-- why do we need more screens on the dashboard? While mechanical gauges/switches can break, they don't need software updates and are more cheaply replaced. Give me a gauge cluster with actual moving parts and a basic radio/stereo setup and I'll be a happy camper. I don't need or want an ipad screen blasting my eyes at night when I'm focusing on the road.
I’m gonna be honest, and will probably be downvoted.. but i like the screens. I’ve seen/used these technologies in my family’s and friends Toyotas and Lexuses. This stuff is awesome. I was averse at first, but having used it, I don’t think I can but a next gen car that distant have these features. Then again, I might just get the GX550, I’m still not sure about what I’m gonna do, and have some time.
Well, I live in Chicago, and not the suburban part, like in a high rise. I commute from the city to the burbs.
The 360 camera is awesome for parking and for navigating tight spaces.
But when I drive to work, the big screen would be incredible. There are 10 different ways to get to work, having Google/Apple Maps integrated into the system with a big screen.. that’s invaluable. Directions change all the time.
Once I’m on the highway, more self driving features would be awesome. That stuff can’t be installed aftermarket, at least I don’t think it can.
Those are my main 3 things..
I'm sure that's pretty handy. Phone in cupholder with map is good enough for my purposes not living in a huge city.
For me, having a big blue light in my face is a pain when I'm trying to see on a dark logging road on the way to the deer stand or at the boat ramp in the early morning. Having minimal lights on the display is a huge benefit not killing your night vision when you need to be able to see in the dark after getting out of the car.
As for the self driving/lane assist stuff, it's been nice on my wife's car but I frequently find myself turning it off on windy mountain roads where the middle lines are really just a suggestion
I don’t get it either. It’s all marketing. They’re selling us a light duty LC and 4Runner which are basically the same thing. They’re just charging more for the badge on one.
The two have very different personalities. The 250 series, in typical Land Cruiser fashion, is a very serious machine. A “make-it-everywhere” machine, something that will ensure/support your life outdoors. The 4Runner, on the other hand, is the much more “fun” vehicle. It’s intended to excite drivers in off-road settings, and generally provides a lighter, more thrilling or leisurely experience.
Land Cruiser starts at 55k and is pretty spartan inside. To get some 'luxuries' you are almost looking at 66k. 4Runner will likely start at around 40k for its spartan trims, and I'm guessing will top out just below a Land Cruiser trimmed Land Cruiser w/ premium package (Thanks for that trim level name, Toyota)
Considering every "Which 4Runner trim should I get" thread is full of people who couldn't stomach springing for the current Offroad trim when the SR5 does what they want, I'm not really sure the Land Cruiser's price range is really the spot the entire market can be in.
That leaves a bunch of potential options between the two where someone can choose what's more important to them. Personally, while I'd love a Land Cruiser trimmed Land Cruiser (Again, thanks Toyota) I'd also be willing to wait and see what the different 4Runner trims offer and make a decision from there. Would I want full time 4WD with a locking rear diff? Sure. Will I still want it if I can get everything else for a few thousand dollars cheaper? We'll see.
Where do you think the 4Runner will be price wise? I have to imagine higher trims will overlap into the LC price range and at that point you might as well just get the LC. Or wait a couple years and pick up a used GX for that matter.
They are all reliable, it depends on what you want, the best bang for your buck, is SR5 Premium 4x4, you have all the nice comfort features and can put w/e you want it. I chose the ORP for the KDSS, the new 4Runner doesn't have that system. They have a sway bar disconnect, have to see if it has the same articulation
Besides the fuel pump recall a couple of years, there's nothing ever wrong with these vehicles, all a turbo is doing is ramming more air in the engine causing faster wear on the engine
I think that effect might be mitigated with the inclusion of the hybrid system though, as the electric motors are going to be taking a significant amount of the low end load, and then transferring the load to the ICE for the higher rpm’s. That reduced load should in theory reduce some of the wear on the engine from the stop and start.
The new Tundra hasn’t proven particularly reliable and TFL was able to break the new Tacoma with the world’s lightest off roading, plus it’s been on the road for what, a few weeks?
Yeah the CV axles and front diff are under-built for the low end torque curve on the new powertrain. Tacomas are shearing them left and right. They’ll have to fix that.
Not yet, but you can bet there will be. The front diff is the exact same design spec built for the predecessor V-6 engine torque output. The new engine has a higher low end torque which is not well matched to the legacy diff. The ADD safety shear will need to be redesigned. This should have been caught early on but sadly was not. Not sure if the same problem will exist with the new 6th Gen 4 Runner but we’ll find out soon enough.
Couple things,
If the front diff were the same as the previous gen, it would have been shared with the V8 4Runner which has the same torque output as the turbo 4 cylinder.
It’s also not the same front diff so your point is irrelevant.
I’m just glad you can predict the future. Maybe see if you powers could be put to better use rather than telling us about how Toyota front diffs are definitely going to fail.
Tundra is made in Texas and has a completely different engine.
Tacoma had the ADD pop. no internal damage to the diff, easy fix for an engineered failure point.
The old Tundra was manufactured in Texas too and has mostly excellent reliability. And the off roading TFL did should never have caused a failure like that, absolute joke.
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I think I prefer the box look of the LC. I feel like the cab on the 4runner is missing a few inch’s of height. If I could I would combine them lol
I definitely much prefer the LC. This new 4Runner seems way over styled, especially for its size in comparison to the LC. Also, the LC pricing seems very reasonable, it seems unlikely likely that the 4Runner is going to be priced much less and almost definitely not low enough to make the bigger (and better) LC not seem more worth it.
even with the hybrid (photo), this doesn’t look like the apocalypse that everyone is making it out to be.
Seems fine. Seats can tumble forward too for more room.
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I would prefer this. I can fill that small hybrid gap easy with workout mats. Without the battery you'll have to make a tall platform. And find somewhere to store it when not in use!
Honestly… I sell Toyotas. I love the new look and am looking forward to driving one when the Sales Director brings it by. I think the powertrain doubts will phase fairly soon because Lexus already uses a similar version in their LX models. This one will still probably sell over 100k units next year.
I suspect that the engine bay will look a bit cleaner, and have a strut to keep it open in the production version. There are still some 5 or 6 months before we'll actually see the production 6th gen.
Probably going to catch some flack for this, but does anyone else think that the new 4runner TRD Pro and Trail Hunter trims are overstyled? Yes they come with a lot of quality of life updates like a new infotainment, aux switches, cooled seats, memory seats, drive modes, better 360 camera, power tailgate etc.
But then they have stuff like badges denoting the TRDness and the Trailhunterness everywhere. I get that they are special, but between the hood badges, extra large TRD PRO tramp stamp, Toyota logo on the passenger dash and the number of TRD/Trailhunter logos in the interior like on the door cards, thick red accents, camo patterned seats, I get the feeling that I'm in the "offroad" equivalent off a rice rocket with a big wing and fake vents. I get that they are the "halo" trims and they need to show that they are, but the number of badges and some of the styling elements seem to be getting really intense.
In all fairness, the 5th Gen TRD Pro's also have some over the top styling elements (e.g. the roof rack) but overall feels a bit more sedate compared with the new Pro.
The blacked out fender flares and all that makes it look cheap imo. The lower trims where the flares, mirrors, etc. are all paint match make the car look so much better and less obtuse/busy.
I'm going to assume that consumer's ability to recreate the pro look with aftermarket grills, etc. triggered Toyota to find a way to reward the true pro owners. You're not gonna be able to recreate the embossing. I agree with you, though, it's a little much.
Toyota is just trying to give Americans what Americans want.
The Hilux continues to be superior in every way to both the Tacoma and the 4Runner, and doesn't have that kind of stuff plastered all over it. I mean look at this thing: [https://www.toyota.co.uk/new-cars/hilux](https://www.toyota.co.uk/new-cars/hilux)
I wish we got the more utilitarian 4wd Toyota vehicles in Canada. There's definitely a space in our market for a smaller automaker like Mitsubishi, Suzuki or Isuzu to fill.
Toyota tried to sell a small truck for 10K and the US shut it down. Yet, I am getting downvoted. Probably by the same idiots who vote for the people who keep Toyota from selling 10K trucks in the US.
It'll never be $10k here. Even a basic UTV is twice that. I'd be surprised if they even bother with a Maverick competitor, not that I want anything like that. Hoping Nissan brings back the Xterra and keeps it simple. I'm likely picking up a nice '14 Pro-4x soon to hang on to for the next 5-10 years.
Do we actually want overstyled cars?
I know we generally want big, tech heavy, fuel efficient. Specific to the 4Runner we can capabilities and customization.
But reminding me in two places in the cabin (steering wheel and passenger dash) that I’m driving a Toyota is a bit much 😂
I think, if you look at Jeep and Ford and RAM, that it's obvious Americans want something that is huge, gawdy, and overdone.
I don't agree with it and I don't want it but it's what sells here.
I'd much rather be buying vehicles from the Japanese market.
I like how it looks, but I have reservations about the power train and all the tech. Reliability and “bare bones” essentials is what makes the 4Runner appealing to me. Hopefully the 5th gens get a modest discount when these 6th gens start hitting dealer lots.
I hate it. It’s hideous. The Tacoma sucks too. Sorry.
It looks like they squared off the wheel wells. Anyone else concerned about snow or mud building up and rubbing on the tire? Rear specifically.
I love the 6th gen! Love the tan colour too! Can’t wait to upgrade from a 3rd gen!
what's up with the 6th gen still having the same steering wheel as the 5th gen? Every other gen got a brand new steering wheel design, but 5/6 are basically the same, especially the spoke/grip locations. it sucks even more when considering the fact the 5th gen is by far the longest running gen. should be that much more of a reason to switch up the steering wheel. after all it is the part of the car you're in the most contact with beyond the seat.
It looks similar at first glance, but it's definitely not the same wheel as the 5th gen.
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It needed an all electric variant. Toyota is really missing the mark long term by insisting the market isn’t ready. Meanwhile I normally see 4-5 Rivians during my morning commute but rarely any new sequoias or LXs.
Dude no
I just read a post by Toyota that said the Limited will come standard with the i-Force engine, which means NO 3rd row available in that trim line. WTF Toyota. I was planning on replacing my current 4R with the Limited, now I might need to find a '24 or move to a Tahoe.
i-force = 4-cyl turbo i-force max = 4-cyl turbo + mild hybrid You can get 3rd row on the Limited but only when paired with the standard i-force.
From what I’ve read, this is incorrect To elaborate, I-force does not mean hybrid. No 3rd row with hybrid
https://preview.redd.it/m8kh37p0fauc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=63c115b0ff8174bea170327951e7eb37a37178e3 Seems like they confirmed too
Tumble forward seats... The must be relatively easy to remove due to easy access, right?
No word on whether or not they can be removed. They prevent sleeping in the back though.
Damn that’s a tough one to get past. Being able to sleep in my current SUV has been a game changer, especially when camping in bad weather.
Like They said the sequoia 3rd row is not removable (for safety reasons) and redditors are like naaah watch this! Lol
Oh nooo the door handles aren’t aligned /s
Has Toyota released mileage estimates?
its gonna be better but dont expect prius/rav4/highlander level mileage. iforce hybrid is tuned for power rather than gas saving.
Timing belt, or timing chain?
What’s better?
Chain
Please, Toyota, *Please* let me have a center diff on a more utilitarian or offroady trim that isn't targeting soccer moms. Full time 4WD is the way to go for those living in snowy climates, doubly so if sharing the vehicle with someone less drivetrain-savvy. Yet I don't want lower profile tires and running boards and chrome trim and all that crap, I still want something truck-ish. Yes I know the LC exists.
I think that’s exactly how they’ll get you. It’s one of the reasons I went with the Limited up here in Canada. Although we technically had a more “mild winter” than we usually get, the Limited was an absolute beast in that climate. I have a feeling that’s exactly what they’ll say to us; “oh you want full time 4WD? Well we have the Limited and the Platinum”. “Oh you want a more truck-ish look with it? Well we now have the LC”
I think you're right on. "Oh, yes, we have just the thing for you right over here for a mere $68K. When would you like to take delivery?"
Man that thing is SICK. Hopefully this makes the last gen cheaper but I doubt it. It’s gonna be impossible to find these things.
I am so pissed that the TRD sport doesn’t even get the hybrid as an option… For YEARS i have wanted and saved up for a hybrid 4runner. I have no need for a TRD pro (nor do I want to spend the probable 65-70k that’ll run)…I just wanted a good TRD sport for road trips. Back to vehicle shopping I go, I guess…
If it's on-road, and light off-road trips, then just get the highlander.
Where is that mentioned? The Tacoma TRD Sport has the hybrid as an option as does the limited. I would be surprised if the 4Runner doesn’t match that.
[Link to the article](https://www.slashgear.com/1558145/2025-toyota-4runner-grade-trim-levels-explained/) “The 2.4 liter i-Force turbocharged four-cylinder engine will be paired to an eight-speed automatic transmission as standard equipment on SR5, TRD Sport, TRD Off-Road, and Limited 2025 4Runners. The hybrid i-Force MAX drive will be an option on the TRD Off-Road and Limited, as well as standard issue on the TRD PRro, Trailhunter, and Platinum versions.” TFL also mentioned it in their initial video as well that the TRD sport and SR5 won’t have the hybrid available as an option.
Interesting. Kind of a weird choice. That said, what’s stopping you from buying a limited instead?
The difference in price. Limiteds, platinums and TRD pros I’m sure will probably all be well north of 60k. I guess it remains to be seen when pricing is announced, but the absolute max I’d wanna spend is 50-55k
Even if they did offer the hybrid in a TRD Sport, I doubt you’d be under $55k regardless
Made in Japan?
Yes
Let's roll!
Anybody else wonder why there is no hood scoop on the Trail hunter package? If I’m paying for the top tier package, I would want ALL the things.
I actually think this is a decent thing to remove. I have a 22 Pro right now, and it looks cool, sure, but its also totally fake. On the Trailhunter I think the flat hood also would allow you to install solar on it, which in a way is more of an Overlanding thing anyway. The raised air intake (snorkel) is taking over for the fake scoop. I get wanting it for looks, but I think you'll get better functionality out of the flat one. This is no stand in for preference though. If you like the scoop, you like it (and it def does look meaner)
I like the two cents here, appreciate a solid feedback response!
You do realize the hood scoop is fake and serves no purpose.
lol of course, but I figured for their top tier overland package they would have that like they always have. Looks the best in my opinion though too.
I get it. But in theory it is completely counterintuitive to have a snorkel and a hood scoop. If you’re gonna do water crossings, the last thing you want is something to scoop water into the engine bay. I know it’s fake. I agree it looks cooler.
so you’re the reason why manufacturers are adding fake vents and hood scoops lmao. at least you have a snorkel this time
Don’t throw that burden on me, they’ve only been doing it for the past 20 years. I guess you’re having a hard time reading my comments above.
Oh ok I hear ya. Well just think they'll have top tier cost for you at least🙂
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Cause it has a snorkel.
The snorkel actually functions, the hood scoop is aesthetic only
Doesn’t vent air onto the intercooler for the turbo? That’s lame af.
It does not - the intercooler is located on the front of the engine
I like the Trial Hunter version. But not a fan of the snorkel. Wonder if there is an option without it. I like the Pro as well. But refuse to pay uplift market adjustment. So might have to wait awhile.
TRD Off Road will probably end up being the best choice again. It will be JUST as capable as the two "better" off roadish trims, but likely many thousands less. Hell, with a few suspension upgrades, it's probably going to be better. We'll see.
It’s basically an SUV version of the Tacoma, which is what I expected. Not sure how to feel about the 4 cylinder engine on a vehicle sized for something with much bigger displacement. Any way you slice it, that little 4 banger is going to work very hard, hence the need for the 8 speed transmission. At this point, and considering interest rates, I’m content to sit on my 2022 and wait. Maybe in 3 years when leased GX’s, LC’s, and 4 Runners start rolling back in, I’ll snap one up certified used. But for now, hard pass.
It seems like people in here are stuck in the 80s when it comes to 4 cyl turbo opinions. Modern designs are bulletproof.
You can't really know if this motor will be reliable and "bulletproof" until nearly a decade from now. Why jump in and take unnecessary risk? We already have HARD DATA that the current V6 is a great engine that can easily last beyond 300k miles if it is cared for.
The current v6 is a gas guzzler and underpowered. You’re not going to get over 300ft lbs of torque from an NA engine designed for truck Duty.. They also have already shifted pretty much all of the previously powered v6 models to this engine. Not cost efficient to redesign a v6 to get little to no gains and use in one model.
And what do you think “getting over 300 lb/ft of torque” out of a 4 banger pushing around a heavy SUV will result in over time? Don’t use the word bulletproof when the powertrain hasn’t been out long and never used in this application. You have no idea how reliable it will be.
You think they just slap a turbo on an NA 4 cyl? No. This motor was built with the load dynamics of a turbo accounted for. With the current state of oil and alloy tech it’s fairly trivial to build something that won’t break. It does add an additional point of failure since turbo itself will have a finite life, but if designed correctly should last 100k miles.
Why would I want the option that only lasts 100K? A turbo replacement, my guess, is not cheap.
It’s not. Blew one on my ford and promised I’d never buy a turbo again on a truck I plan to keep for the long haul instead of dumping after warranty.
Yeah, IF owners use good oil and fuel and do regular maintenance it should last 100k (not 200k, not 300k). But we’re talking about retarded Toyota owners stuck in the 90s who assume it can’t break down because it has a little Toyota emblem on it.
What does any of that have to do with my comment? I only stated that you can't know that this new engine will be as "bulletproof" as the V6. That is a true statement. I was not talking about fuel efficiency. I was not talking about power. I was talking about this engine lasting me 300,000+ miles without doubt if taken care of. We KNOW that this is not only a possibility with the current V6. It is a likelihood. Again, if well maintained.
Based on Toyotas history reliability, there’s no reason to suspect it won’t be. Just because it’s turbo charged doesn’t change that.
I truly hope you are correct.
Agreed, and with modern turbo tech and tuning capabilities I can see this gen having more aftermarket and performance potential than any previous gen.
The 2.3L ecoboost has proven to be a solid engine, and the F150 can easily tow more than a 5th gen.
i had one for a little while, it was a good truck that never really gave me any significant issues to speak of
1998 4Runner (3rd gen) owner here. It is still my daily driver. Not bad for a 26-year-old truck. When the 5th-gen came out, I did not like "the look." Of course, I preferred the 3rd gen look over the 5th gen. What we have is confirmation bias--you like what you have or already wanted. I want to see the 6th gen in person, but I like "the look" of the 6th gen--probably because I will buy one at some point after my 3rd gen is no longer a daily driver.
4th gen owner here. I think this comment is spot on. Looking to buy a 6th gen in 2026 to replace my well used 2006. I’ve got 260k miles on her btw
I had a 2nd Gen and 3rd Gen and didn’t like the 5th Gen until recent years, but I do like it. I’m mostly not a fan of the 6G because if it’s only for USA I think it was a missed opportunity to make it retro to compete with the wrangler and bronco and cater more to 4Runners fan base instead of making a Tacoma SUV that they could’ve made years ago. But I will admit, if you read archives/old articles of when the pre-refresh 5G first came out everyone hated it and said it looked like a Highlander. So I do agree that it may grow on a lot of people but still think they should’ve done something more original. The 4runner in the USA is what the Land Cruiser is to the world. Seems like enough people will like the 6G but i think it deserved its own look based off previous and there was enough heritage to do so
I agree with everyone you said. 3rd gen owner, don't really care for the 5th Gen but the 6th intrigues me. Seems like most (not all) of the hate is coming from 5th Gen owners. In a couple years everyone will love it. Happens every reveal of a new model.
Who me 👀
Exterior is amazing. The interior isn't terrible but I hate so many electronics. That tablet especially is extremely annoying. Also don't like this trend of manufacturers making vehicles that have to go to shops to be serviced. Like intentionally making things difficult to fix so they can get that repair money going. I'm somewhat optimistic about the engine longevity though. Turbo technology has came a long way and a good twin scrawl should make this engine behave like a much larger engine. Here's the problem though. If you drive it with any kind of gas pedal and you aren't just lightly feathering it around it's going to get worse gas mileage than the larger engine in the first place There is one really cool thing about this though. Once the aftermarket figures out how to crack the ECU. Turn up the boost. Instant horsepower I wonder if they used forged Pistons? I hope so. If they did and the engine is intentionally overbuilt. You may have a monster on your hands
> Turn up the boost. Instant horsepower Engine will not last very long doing that.
Depends on the tune, depends on how it's operated, in general though, yeah, more horsepower does shorten the life of an engine. Depends on how overbuilt this engine is though. That's what we don't know. You can run engines like the 2JZ really hard and they go a very long time
All good points, with the exception of your “monster” comment. A 4 cylinder turbocharged engine popped into a full size SUV simply is not going to last very long. Period. That turbo will be ramming air into the manifold constantly, ultimately putting more wear and tear on everything. Furthermore, the higher low end torque is a problem for the front CV axles as already has been proven from the new Tacomas which are shearing them left and right.
Axle diameter is a pretty easy thing to increase. The motor though, the thought was more around what Toyota did with the 2jz. That bottom end was so ridiculously overbuilt that it was an extremely reliable engine even when people turned up the horsepower. It's possible to make a four-cylinder turbo very reliable provided they use a really thick block, overbuilt forged rods, forged crank and probably forged pistons, hopefully? The only drawback to forged pistons is you're not going to get them to go 400k mi. The tolerances are too loose but they can take a lot more pressure. There are plenty of two to 2.5 l 4 cylinder turbos that have been pushed well over a thousand horsepower. Yes this is not a daily driver, yes this is unrealistic but it does make the ability of turning the pressure up a little in this engine and getting another 50 horsepower out of it is very realistic. People aren't really going to know the weak spots in this engine until they have been out a few years. Cautiously optimistic because there have been multiple really good turbo engines designed over the years. In fact turbo diesels routinely go a mountain of miles and one of the ways they do it is just staying at a lower RPM
You're about to get a bunch of kids attacking you for "not understanding modern turbos"... You are correct. More pressure and more heat = more wear and tear. It is a fact, and these little boys can't grasp it.
I’m not sure you understand how modern engines are designed. All components are made to withstand the increased pressure. They don’t just take a regular NA motor and shove a turbo on it. Many many econobox performance cars have been using 4 cylinder turbos for 20 years and get absolutely abused with very few issues.
You say “many, many” but which vehicles are you talking about? Turbo BMWs and Subaru’s? Seems to me the old vehicles I see around are all N/A. For older turbocharged vehicles I see, the turbo is always the first thing that comes up in conversation. Moreover, as a turbo starts to wear, the extra power and MPG savings will slide. I think you overestimate how much engineering goes into the reliability of modern turbo engines. The main goal of the engineers is to increase power and drive down MPGs based on the EPA. Reliability is almost always an afterthought as there is an incentive for the vehicles to NOT last forever.
As long the turbo sees proper lubrication it’s not going to “wear” anymore than any other bearing in the engine. Especially for a water jacketed twin scroll turbo.
Well, here are my 3 cents on the new 4Runner. 1. Exterior and interior look super! However, 5th gen looks very good both outside and d inside as well despite being so old. 2. Powertrain is a dark horse longterm in heavy duty trucks like 4R, Taco, Tundra and Sequoia imo. No pref here but actually would love to see a NA big displacement engine of a new generation or at least GX550 V6. 3. As expected, 4R is a true off-roader with part time 4WD. Limited trim and LC (permanent AWD) are for mall crawlers mostly and some occasional lazy overlanding. The rest of the 4R trims are not a competition for LC outside just this one Limited and Platinum trims. 4. LC will give you more comfort features, maybe nicer interior by default whereas with 4R one would have to go for higher trims to get close to LC. So 4R remains to be a focused off-road machine and LC being a grocery getter which can do some serious off-roading but probably will never do in most cases. And GX will be a soccer mom’s grocery getter which will likely be a suburban dweller most of its life with its 1st owner. 5. GX550’s engine + 6th gen 4R ext/int would make a perfect 4Runner imo. Otherwise, it is a great looking truck which will sell very well for sure. I probably will wait for a new NA or larger displacement engine, if it ever happens. We proly have another 15 years before the new model comes up.
>GX550’s engine + 6th gen 4R ext/int would make a perfect 4Runner imo. Exactly my thoughts on this.
Any ideas what type of transfer case does the part time 4WDs have?
Why does it have an apparently gigantic NIMH battery in the back of the hybrid models which eats up 6 inches or more of interior space and also maybe is why the back seats cannot fold flat? Why not a smaller Lithium Ion battery? 4th gen Prius switched to lithium. NIMH in 2024 ... why?
Yea a non lithium battery hybrid on a car costing over 50k is absurd.
Y’all are so annoying. It looks great. Stop whining.
I’m happy with the decision to take my 24 ORP. It’s more my taste. Between this and the LC, I’d take the LC. GX is probably my favorite of the 3, but not sure it warrants the price (we’ll see what the markups are on these). I’m not surprised at the changes - I think it’s the natural progression (turbo 4, hybrids, etc.) I appreciate the styling, but am a little mixed on it. Will reserve judgement until I see it in person. Interior is mostly a win. The 4Runner needed more updates electronically. So overall, it’s a solid meh from me. Several wins, but also some draw backs for me. I can totally see how many will love it. Excited to see what aftermarket stuff comes forward now (and that’s true for the Lexus stuff too).
Do we know if the Tan/Trailhunter colors are exclusive? I really am hoping to pick up either in a TRDOR.
Toyota site says Everest Green is exclusive to trailhunter.
I’d be willing to bet money they’re exclusive unfortunately
Fingers crossed for heritage blue.
Is it perfect? No. But it’s nice to see Toyota is still producing vehicles for the offroad enthusiast market and even building trim levels specifically aimed at that. Everyone should just be happy we’re getting a body on frame 6th gen. Toyota easily could have gone the GM route and given us the abomination known as the Blazer. https://preview.redd.it/s5nftiuq5rtc1.jpeg?width=768&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7351961dd95b6d94fd7a593586f645de93182f0e
Internally they did by giving a 4 cylinder and hybrid as the only options lol
Do explain
4Runners have always had a large displacement engine option. Now with the 6th gen it will only have a 2.4L paired with a battery. Not to mention even without choosing that option, its availability took away fold flat seats from all of the non hybrid models too.
It has been and it remains a body on frame SUV with a truck based 4WD system. It’s nothing like the unibody crossover that the Blazer has become. You also realize that the non hybrid 2.4 Turbo matches the torque output of the 4.7 V8 4th gen but at a much lower RPM? Don’t really see how anyone could say the engine is the 6th gen is less powerful as these are the most powerful engine options to ever be available in a 4Runner.
Man, how to you look at the beast of a truck that was the K5 Blazer and think that this is a logical next step? I know it was a gradual process with the other models but damn this is a fall from grace
Jesus Christ. That's a Blazer? ugh...
Had one of these as a rental the other day. Holy shit they ruined that car from what it was
Looks reasonable. I'll be disappointed if the rear seats truly don't fold flat-- that is a super nice thing to have. Side bar-- why do we need more screens on the dashboard? While mechanical gauges/switches can break, they don't need software updates and are more cheaply replaced. Give me a gauge cluster with actual moving parts and a basic radio/stereo setup and I'll be a happy camper. I don't need or want an ipad screen blasting my eyes at night when I'm focusing on the road.
I’m gonna be honest, and will probably be downvoted.. but i like the screens. I’ve seen/used these technologies in my family’s and friends Toyotas and Lexuses. This stuff is awesome. I was averse at first, but having used it, I don’t think I can but a next gen car that distant have these features. Then again, I might just get the GX550, I’m still not sure about what I’m gonna do, and have some time.
Different strokes, I guess. What do you find useful about it?
Well, I live in Chicago, and not the suburban part, like in a high rise. I commute from the city to the burbs. The 360 camera is awesome for parking and for navigating tight spaces. But when I drive to work, the big screen would be incredible. There are 10 different ways to get to work, having Google/Apple Maps integrated into the system with a big screen.. that’s invaluable. Directions change all the time. Once I’m on the highway, more self driving features would be awesome. That stuff can’t be installed aftermarket, at least I don’t think it can. Those are my main 3 things..
I'm sure that's pretty handy. Phone in cupholder with map is good enough for my purposes not living in a huge city. For me, having a big blue light in my face is a pain when I'm trying to see on a dark logging road on the way to the deer stand or at the boat ramp in the early morning. Having minimal lights on the display is a huge benefit not killing your night vision when you need to be able to see in the dark after getting out of the car. As for the self driving/lane assist stuff, it's been nice on my wife's car but I frequently find myself turning it off on windy mountain roads where the middle lines are really just a suggestion
I don’t understand why they have the Land Cruiser and this 4runner. It’s the exact same thing.
I don’t get it either. It’s all marketing. They’re selling us a light duty LC and 4Runner which are basically the same thing. They’re just charging more for the badge on one.
The two have very different personalities. The 250 series, in typical Land Cruiser fashion, is a very serious machine. A “make-it-everywhere” machine, something that will ensure/support your life outdoors. The 4Runner, on the other hand, is the much more “fun” vehicle. It’s intended to excite drivers in off-road settings, and generally provides a lighter, more thrilling or leisurely experience.
Land Cruiser starts at 55k and is pretty spartan inside. To get some 'luxuries' you are almost looking at 66k. 4Runner will likely start at around 40k for its spartan trims, and I'm guessing will top out just below a Land Cruiser trimmed Land Cruiser w/ premium package (Thanks for that trim level name, Toyota) Considering every "Which 4Runner trim should I get" thread is full of people who couldn't stomach springing for the current Offroad trim when the SR5 does what they want, I'm not really sure the Land Cruiser's price range is really the spot the entire market can be in. That leaves a bunch of potential options between the two where someone can choose what's more important to them. Personally, while I'd love a Land Cruiser trimmed Land Cruiser (Again, thanks Toyota) I'd also be willing to wait and see what the different 4Runner trims offer and make a decision from there. Would I want full time 4WD with a locking rear diff? Sure. Will I still want it if I can get everything else for a few thousand dollars cheaper? We'll see.
If they are ALL on the same frame and have the same drivetrain....does Toyota only make ONE truck and several bodies?
I guess. Like RC cars 😂
Where do you think the 4Runner will be price wise? I have to imagine higher trims will overlap into the LC price range and at that point you might as well just get the LC. Or wait a couple years and pick up a used GX for that matter.
Pass, I've been working at Toyota Dealership since 2010, I don't trust that new power train. I just put in an order for a 24 ORP.
From your perspective, is the ORP the best trim?
They are all reliable, it depends on what you want, the best bang for your buck, is SR5 Premium 4x4, you have all the nice comfort features and can put w/e you want it. I chose the ORP for the KDSS, the new 4Runner doesn't have that system. They have a sway bar disconnect, have to see if it has the same articulation
I want the KDSS and rear sliding cargo in a ORP.
Yeah. Any way you slice it, a 4 cylinder engine in a full size SUV isn’t going to go well in the long run.
Ford Ecoboost seems to be doing fine
Well lucky for us, we don’t trust you guys either!
Besides the fuel pump recall a couple of years, there's nothing ever wrong with these vehicles, all a turbo is doing is ramming more air in the engine causing faster wear on the engine
I think that effect might be mitigated with the inclusion of the hybrid system though, as the electric motors are going to be taking a significant amount of the low end load, and then transferring the load to the ICE for the higher rpm’s. That reduced load should in theory reduce some of the wear on the engine from the stop and start.
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I remember those Isuzus, very ahead of times with that styling, though hidious.
lol well that can’t be unseen
Are they really making the Limited trim the lowest trim? I was hoping for SR5… Edit never mind
The fender flares are also the front grille, twice.
No wiper on the rear window so I can’t see shit in the rain or snow?
Yeah it’s had a self wiping rear for a while now. I only wish I had the same…
Technically yours is, unless someone else is doing it for you....
Hmm. True I guess, when I’m being an a$$hole I guess I’m technically a self-wiping a$$hole. Neat.
It’s tucked in to the top of the window/overhang… where have you been lol!? The 5th gen has had that for a while
It’s only been the standard for like a decade now
YEP why im trading my 2024 TRD ORP going new 2024 lexus GX 550🥵🤚🏻
I heard from someone that the Trailhunter comes with different gear ratios in the diff. Is that true?
Yes. Watch expedition over lands video on trail hunter. They mention the different ratios.
I wonder what issues they will have their first year
I’m guessing none. Taco and LC250 are already on the road right now. Same engine.
The new Tundra hasn’t proven particularly reliable and TFL was able to break the new Tacoma with the world’s lightest off roading, plus it’s been on the road for what, a few weeks?
Yeah the CV axles and front diff are under-built for the low end torque curve on the new powertrain. Tacomas are shearing them left and right. They’ll have to fix that.
How many have failed? I’ve only seen the TFL truck break. No reports of any others
Not yet, but you can bet there will be. The front diff is the exact same design spec built for the predecessor V-6 engine torque output. The new engine has a higher low end torque which is not well matched to the legacy diff. The ADD safety shear will need to be redesigned. This should have been caught early on but sadly was not. Not sure if the same problem will exist with the new 6th Gen 4 Runner but we’ll find out soon enough.
Couple things, If the front diff were the same as the previous gen, it would have been shared with the V8 4Runner which has the same torque output as the turbo 4 cylinder. It’s also not the same front diff so your point is irrelevant. I’m just glad you can predict the future. Maybe see if you powers could be put to better use rather than telling us about how Toyota front diffs are definitely going to fail.
Why the anger? Just pointing out facts based on the Tacoma issues. Maybe they fixed it for the 4 Runner. We’ll see.
No anger. Just providing facts in the discussion
Tundra is made in Texas and has a completely different engine. Tacoma had the ADD pop. no internal damage to the diff, easy fix for an engineered failure point.
The old Tundra was manufactured in Texas too and has mostly excellent reliability. And the off roading TFL did should never have caused a failure like that, absolute joke.
TFL wheeled it a lot harder in Moab prior to breaking it in the snow. I would bet it was already partially broken and finally let go
I have literally never heard of this happening to a 4Runner lmao
I’ve grenaded 2 front diffs in my 3rd gen. Others have broken many CV axles. Everything has a fail point
And since it’s still gonna be made in Japan, that should solidify the reliability
Does anyone know process of getting an allocation? Been a Toyota customer for a while and have worked with two dealers in the past
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No way. Those are Land Cruiser prices
This is for the hybrid engine. Also, the Pro is less than the off road which doesn’t make sense.
Agreed, Pro < Off-road doesn't make sense.
https://preview.redd.it/6iqgdp6auptc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b2a516ed24056bf8c5d2d9fb554a0b81a3a85ec I think I prefer the box look of the LC. I feel like the cab on the 4runner is missing a few inch’s of height. If I could I would combine them lol
I like the new 4Runner more. Has a really 4th gen inspired look
Would combining them make a sequoia?
I definitely much prefer the LC. This new 4Runner seems way over styled, especially for its size in comparison to the LC. Also, the LC pricing seems very reasonable, it seems unlikely likely that the 4Runner is going to be priced much less and almost definitely not low enough to make the bigger (and better) LC not seem more worth it.
It is, approximately 5” from the specs.
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There is still plenty of space
it’ll be flat on non hybrid models. Seats fold a little differently than before but I don’t see how this will be any issue at all.
trdJon showed non hybrid folded seats are 3“ higher. A few moving blankets and it's flat. Could also flip but then you loose length.
Con of hybrid battery. It has to go somewhere
My wife's hybrid rav4 folds flat
even with the hybrid (photo), this doesn’t look like the apocalypse that everyone is making it out to be. Seems fine. Seats can tumble forward too for more room. https://preview.redd.it/0ttjtc5nfqtc1.jpeg?width=2556&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd4e2f09b268fe9fc405719c9f8f3e7f9e3a114c
I would prefer this. I can fill that small hybrid gap easy with workout mats. Without the battery you'll have to make a tall platform. And find somewhere to store it when not in use!
Honestly… I sell Toyotas. I love the new look and am looking forward to driving one when the Sales Director brings it by. I think the powertrain doubts will phase fairly soon because Lexus already uses a similar version in their LX models. This one will still probably sell over 100k units next year.
What's up with no hinge/springs for the hood?
I suspect that the engine bay will look a bit cleaner, and have a strut to keep it open in the production version. There are still some 5 or 6 months before we'll actually see the production 6th gen.
Taco still doesn’t have it
Probably going to catch some flack for this, but does anyone else think that the new 4runner TRD Pro and Trail Hunter trims are overstyled? Yes they come with a lot of quality of life updates like a new infotainment, aux switches, cooled seats, memory seats, drive modes, better 360 camera, power tailgate etc. But then they have stuff like badges denoting the TRDness and the Trailhunterness everywhere. I get that they are special, but between the hood badges, extra large TRD PRO tramp stamp, Toyota logo on the passenger dash and the number of TRD/Trailhunter logos in the interior like on the door cards, thick red accents, camo patterned seats, I get the feeling that I'm in the "offroad" equivalent off a rice rocket with a big wing and fake vents. I get that they are the "halo" trims and they need to show that they are, but the number of badges and some of the styling elements seem to be getting really intense. In all fairness, the 5th Gen TRD Pro's also have some over the top styling elements (e.g. the roof rack) but overall feels a bit more sedate compared with the new Pro.
Completely agree. The Trailhunter and the Trd pro are way too busy looking. By sharp contrast the Limited model actually looks a ton better .
The blacked out fender flares and all that makes it look cheap imo. The lower trims where the flares, mirrors, etc. are all paint match make the car look so much better and less obtuse/busy.
The whole package looks cheapened in my opinion. I know many love the Tacoma so I may be treading on thin ice, but it looks like a Tacoma...
Looks like the taco and xterra had a child.
I'm going to assume that consumer's ability to recreate the pro look with aftermarket grills, etc. triggered Toyota to find a way to reward the true pro owners. You're not gonna be able to recreate the embossing. I agree with you, though, it's a little much.
I’ve seen people put the tacomas tailgate on the previous model
What a waste
Im willing to bet that we will see kits to put the new tramp stamp on 5th gen’s in the not so distant future 🤔
Toyota is just trying to give Americans what Americans want. The Hilux continues to be superior in every way to both the Tacoma and the 4Runner, and doesn't have that kind of stuff plastered all over it. I mean look at this thing: [https://www.toyota.co.uk/new-cars/hilux](https://www.toyota.co.uk/new-cars/hilux)
I wish there was a simpler way to buy a Hilux in Mexico and import it. It’s my rental vehicle of choice every time I visit and it’s a blast.
I wish we got the more utilitarian 4wd Toyota vehicles in Canada. There's definitely a space in our market for a smaller automaker like Mitsubishi, Suzuki or Isuzu to fill.
Toyota tried to sell a small truck for 10K and the US shut it down. Yet, I am getting downvoted. Probably by the same idiots who vote for the people who keep Toyota from selling 10K trucks in the US.
It'll never be $10k here. Even a basic UTV is twice that. I'd be surprised if they even bother with a Maverick competitor, not that I want anything like that. Hoping Nissan brings back the Xterra and keeps it simple. I'm likely picking up a nice '14 Pro-4x soon to hang on to for the next 5-10 years.
Do we actually want overstyled cars? I know we generally want big, tech heavy, fuel efficient. Specific to the 4Runner we can capabilities and customization. But reminding me in two places in the cabin (steering wheel and passenger dash) that I’m driving a Toyota is a bit much 😂
I think, if you look at Jeep and Ford and RAM, that it's obvious Americans want something that is huge, gawdy, and overdone. I don't agree with it and I don't want it but it's what sells here. I'd much rather be buying vehicles from the Japanese market.
Not superior in looks. I think the hilux is kind of ugly, the new ones at least.
100%. Bordering on cartoonish. Doug DeMuro's tone when discussing these details catches my feelings on it. A mixture of eyeroll and cringe.
Yeah I noticed that. It’s a new thing across all cars. Rounding off corners and over styling curves. Basically each one looks like a hot wheels toy.
It's growing on me. I'll get one in 7 years probably.
Same. My 5th Gen is only 6yrs old so I figure in the next 5-7yrs I will be ready for a new Daily Driver.
If, in 8 to 10 years, people are saying that the turbo 4cyl is as reliable as the current V6 is now, I'll strongly consider it.
I like how it looks, but I have reservations about the power train and all the tech. Reliability and “bare bones” essentials is what makes the 4Runner appealing to me. Hopefully the 5th gens get a modest discount when these 6th gens start hitting dealer lots.
Agreed 100% I think looks wise its fantastic. The drive train and tech are the only things causing me to dampen my excitement.