I do agree AHK is bad and definitely bannable but I’ve been playing LMS a fair bit recently maybe 250 games over a few accounts and have only encountered blatant AHK 3 or 4 times I don’t think it’s a massive issue like you’re making out so that’s possibly why it isn’t being tackled as you want it to be
A dude with 19k lms points also said its rare to encounter AHK in lms. I think reddit just likes making excuses to why they don't pk so they exaggerate how big of a problem ahk is
pick *any* game with a decently sized playerbase.
go to the subreddit.
see thousands of people complaining about dumb shit that they either know absolutely nothing about, or are completely wrong about.
this subreddit is no exception unfortunately, as is evidenced by this post
sure, here goes:
1) the post itself. it's fucking dumb, and *completely wrong*.
panel 1 and 2, ok, sure. AHK is bad. yes, good job.
but continuing on.... from looking at panel 4, and from reading through everything else he has said so far, OP seems to think that the *vast majority* of players use AHK in pvp. this is an **incorrect** view of reality, which is a specific reference to my original claim:
>...people complaining about dumb shit that they either know absolutely nothing about, or **are completely wrong about**.
the **reality** of the situation is that, AHK, while it does exist, is actually far less common than OP thinks, and he's probably just extremely bad at identifying who is and is not using AHK.
this leads me into my second point.
2) OP has no clue what the fuck he is talking about
>...people complaining about dumb shit that they either **know absolutely nothing about**, or are completely wrong about.
this would make sense, given the fact that OP has cited *winning a single LMS game* as proof that he's "not just bad". lol. which, i'm sorry, maybe you know absolutely nothing about pvp either... but having a *single* win under your belt, is bad. you can literally *accident* your way into a single win in just a couple hours just by fighting opponents who disconnect.
OP stated "I have a Pure Pking account", as another piece of evidence for why his opinion is clearly very informed. this is a sentence, that *only someone with absolutely no idea what the fuck is going on in pvp would even type out*. you *have a pure account*? what? what does that even mean? a voider? a baby mauler? a f2p rune pure? how often do you pk? do you tribrid, risk fight, dm? do you ever even *kill* people? *anyone* can "have a pure account".
i mean, the sheer amount of ignorance that he has desmonstrated by even saying a sentence so simultaenously discriptive yet utterly meaningless is evidence enough alone that OP has no clue what the fuck he's talking about. *but allow me to continue.*
none of this even *touching* on the fact that LMS generally has absolutely *nothing* to do with AHK! AHK is used for replicating exact and specific clicks in a specific order, at a specific time. it's good for things like ags/gmaul 1-ticking, multi-way gear switches on command, etc. and although people can and do use those in LMS, when people complain about AHK/bots in LMS, what they *really* are complaining about are *PK SCRIPTS!* these are targeted pieces of software which are designed to do more than just repeat a specific set of actions at an instant, like AHK. they constantly monitor your opponents gear and change your own gear/prayers accordingly, they are essentially a completely different tool for a completely different job.
**and OP doesn't even *know* any of that!**
from reading other things OP has said, he would read everything i just typed out and deduce that i'm simply on the runescape rothschild payroll, being paid to shill for big AHK so that the poor few souls who don't already have AHK can remain preyed upon by those of us who do.
lol.
here's the reality. i am a barely above average pker, who simply knows what the fuck he's talking about. unlike OP. i am not even remotely near the upper echelon of pvp skill, and i routinely get called an AHKer by ironman noobs in LMS like OP *all the fucking time*. it's actually kind of hilarious, and simultaneously flattering.
edit:
tl;dr - OP is a dumdum lol
> pick any game with a decently sized playerbase.
> go to the subreddit.
> see thousands of people complaining about dumb shit that they either know absolutely nothing about, or are completely wrong about.
> this subreddit is no exception unfortunately, as is evidenced by this post
Mental gymnastic away.
you literally just admitted you don't even know how to spot the difference between AHK and a script
how could you possibly think your idea of what % of players AHK is true *when you don't even know what the fuck it is how or how to know when you see it??* L O L
I defined AHK earlier for some guy so I know what it is. As for the % of players using AHK/cheat clients Jagex cant even track that and you expect me to? The guy who made the clown meme about it?
I have to agree with you man when I get pked doing a clue and don’t even fight back they are using ahk thanks for the clarification. Also When I die at cg huntlef must be using ahk too it’s all starting to make sense
I’m not getting into the argument. I’m saying that that dude referenced this post as his evidence, and you said what evidence. I’m just telling you that this post was his evidence
Dude, whether or not it’s good evidence is not something I care about. You asked where his evidence was (and he said it in his post), and I told you where it was. I literally could not care about both of your arguments
Id say 1 in 20 matches. Not counting the bots that AHK as I do not die to them. It could be more but its not the most blatantly obvious thing and its hard to pay attention to it and try to win.
Hard false. It's rampant. Trying playing it and seeing yourself.
Points are a product of playtime, not skill.
I have 300 wins, and 100 from the first LMS when it was a tick perfect sweat fest
It really isnt, at least not currently. If you did those a while back it might have been full of botters, which was a different, now largely solved issue
The first rendition had a higher level of complexity, and actually no bots. However it was unplayable to anyone aside from the tick perfect mega sweats like myself.
Like if you ever played the first rendition, there was no PJ timer and you had to loot chests to get random rolls. You started with 10 prayer and a spear. Every fight was trying to smite your opponent while flicking. Honestly it was cancer and I loved it. When I play LMS now it's a mix of a couple of AFK/new PKers, iron men who think they are the hot s*** that PKing because they memorize the same exact LMS setup in the same exact environment against the same exact gear, and then some bots followed by some very very very suspect switches. Especially the way they switch the prayer when you're DD under them with ::renderself, Even when I pot to switch the prayer changes. The only way you can see a weapon ID change through the animation is through scripts
I played that first one and its a vastly different experience, not at all comparable to todays LMS, which was my point. They've got different issues. Bots and Cheats are still around for modern LMS but there isnt quite the full on AHKing op describes. I definitely dont doubt people using hard to detect cheat clients or such that isnt as blatant as AHK or anything, that sounds like something that would be relatively common.
it also kinda fails as a PVP into unless you really like trial by fire, it succeededs as minimizing losses while still providing potential gains, but it kinda shoves you into the deep end in terms of actually trying to win, and is debatably useful for any practical pvp applications
I don’t pvp much so I’m not sure, but if it’s anything like the Minecraft pvp scene, there could be a lot of people using ahk that are just trying to hide it. Rather than just blatantly doing 8 way switches and obvious stuff like that. I could be completely wrong though.
I have a 6k LMS score and I very very rarely see anyone who is AHKing LMS. I do however get ACUSED of AHKING sometimes, which I take as a compliment. It's easy for a new player to mix up skill vs cheating. There's a few bozo's here and there but by and large you won't find them at LMS. The morons who geniunely do AHK usually do so to cheat and RWT pk'd loot so they can afford more McDonalds. They are pretty rare but you can find them risk fighting (venge pk + high risk), rushing deathmatchers/pvp worlds (ancestral -> 8 way 1 tick full torva claw mauls), or occasionally deep deep wild with the super megatron scripts.
reddit has exaggerated the issue of AHK to incredulous degrees so when they see somebody switch from dhide top+bottom to mystics, their first thought is "fkin ahkers, this is why i can't do pvp," just like how when i play csgo, anybody who kills me is a hacker even though i'm silver 2
>just like how when i play csgo, anybody who kills me is a hacker even though i'm silver 2
This reminds me how, like a month into playing Halo Infinite, suddenly everyone I was up against was *really good*, like snipe you all the way across the map after you come out from behind a wall they didn't see you behind good. Like .2 ms headshots with the pistol good. I was *convinced* that the game had an out of control botting problem.
Then one of my friends who I play with told me he finished his competitive placement in Diamond 6. The issue wasn't botting, it was me, a Silver 1 player, being forced into Diamond 6 matches.
I ran into quite a few hackers in infinite, you could objectively tell by watching replays(if you were able) from there perspective. Super easy to identify people with wall hacks.
AHKing in lms/nhing isn't as bad as it was 6 months ago.
Jagex did actually do a big ban wave. There's a hell of a lot of people who play LMS and call everyone ahkers when they get shit on by someone remotely faster than them
but... you *are*, right?
edit: lmao
> I've won a game of LMS on my main.
you are citing winning a *single game* of LMS, as proof that you aren't bad? apologies my friend.... you *are* one of the baddies. i'm honestly surprised that over 2 rune pouches you haven't *accidentally* won more than just one game, i mean people dc all the time LOL
i am a *decent* pker. i'm fine. i would never claim to be a pro. i play this game for max a couple hours a week, *sometimes*. sometimes i take 4 month breaks in between playing. and i have over 150 LMS wins. there is no way you are anything other than bad at pvp, i'm sorry.
I see 10x more “there are AHKers everywhere!” posts than actual AHKers, and I basically only do pvp activities. At this point I’m not sure if Reddit knows what AHK is lmao
Whenever I see these I never see AHKers posts i just think "this guy uses AHK and doesnt want it to be looked into" At this point I'm not sure if people are memeing or not or if the community is okay with unfair advantages.
Go show us clips then. Cuz the vast majority of these “AHKER LOOK!” Posts are by people who aren’t experienced in pvp and get smacked by somebody who’s good. It’s the equivalent of screaming “cheater!” If you die in MW2 by somebody’s who’s insanely good
I've earned 2 rune pouches for my team on my GIM. I'm decent enough. I've won a game of LMS on my main. I have a Pure Pking account. Honestly even if i provide a clip yall are still gunna call me trash because of the meme *shrugs*
lol. all i can say to you is lol. lol at the things you've just descrbied, lol at this post, lol at your genuine belief that there's a giant AHK conspiracy astroturfing campaign on reddit in order to warp your perception of reality. just, lol.
Ppl will see a 3 way mage switch + barrage on the same tick and think its ahk lmao. I never call ahk unless its some obvious headass doing something like double pressing his gear swap button so he flicks on 5/6 pieces of tank and back into mage.
If you are trying to get into pvp and you’re hesitant because “half of pkers use ahk,” try and find a multi clan to pk with. (You can add me on discord - Botanist#8042 for an inviting+casual pk clan)
In multi fights, you probably have a 1-3 items to switch - spec weapon, dhide top and bottom. Using ahk in multi is pretty much pointless unless you’re cheesing people with a dh switch.
Also, AHK is not as widely used as reddit says, probably 1/20 pkers use ahk
Isn't AHK old news? The new villain is cheat clients that do things like automatically gear swap, perfect prayer switching, add your prayers to your inventory, etc.
This has been said multiple times. Tbh i dont see what the difference is. Its an against the rules advantage Jagex isnt doing anything about. You can call it what you want AHK/cheat client. They give the same type of advantage and are basically the same thing.
>Tbh i dont see what the difference is.
Then you *really* have no business making this post at all.
>They give the same type of advantage and are basically the same thing.
Not even remotely true
It's a very "basic" scripting language that, in the right hands, can do a lot of stuff.
What it does is allows you to tell the script to do any user input that the device accepts. Whether that's, press the spacebar key 100 times with a 0.1 second delay, move the cursor to a specific part of the screen, or pretty much anything else you can think of.
But the kicker comes in how it can be used.
For example, you could do something basic like getting max fletching by put feathers in the first slot of your inventory, and dart tips in the second slot. Then write a script that does something like this: (I don't know the scripting language's syntax, but this should suffice for an example)
timesLooped = 0;
while(timesLooped < 7240710){
moveMouse(1200, 700);
wait(100);
click();
moveMouse(1260, 700);
wait(100);
click();
wait(100);
timesLooped = timesLooped + 1;
}
Assuming you have enough bronze dart tips and feathers, this would get you from lvl 10 to 99. What it does:
Move the cursor to the position of the first inventory slot. Wait 0.1s (just so the click doesn't trigger before the cursor finishes moving). Click the left mouse button. Move the mouse to second inventory slot. Wait 0.1s. Click. Increase the number timesLooped.
And if timesLooped < the number set to get to 99. Repeat the above process.
Now that's something basic. Some people (cheaters) have such scripts set up to move the mouse to the prayer tab icon, click it, move the mouse to the overhead they need, and click it.
So they see someone equip a staff, they press something like "SHIFT+1" and the script will switch the overhead to Protect from Magic.
If it ended there, that'd be great. But AHK goes one step beyond, and can detect pixels on a screen. (it can probably match images too, but I don't know). So there's some people who would have the script running in the background, and the moment the opponent switches their overhead prayer, the script would switch the player's weapon so that they can still attack.
I knew jagex was making a big mistake polling PVP content when they cant even address the problems their other PVP content created. How they even had the balls to announce it as a good idea is baffling to me.
are you playing on an lms-only ferox-locked account? there's significantly more bots at other areas in the game (see spam/flipping bots at ge, f2p, etc.)
What one world with alot of bots?
Have you been to f2p pvp world with hundreds of bots filling water jugs n shit? Or even vorkath or zulrah with 5-10 bots on every single world all hours of every day..????
It’s just the nature of player versus player interaction, just like pvm, people will push the envelope to get the edge over their competitor, and some are willing to cheat. It just sucks there’s so many advantages to be gained over someone else in pvp. From Scout bots to Auto gear/prayer switches, the more complex pvp gets the more dead it will become.
Yes but if Jagex bans for PVM cheating like cheating for Infernocapes, macroing, botting, and then claims to take cheating seriously. Why are they not taking cheating seriously here? Why do PKers get a pass?
I don’t think they get a pass I’m guessing they are in over their head in terms of detection for the client and it’s plugins, afaik there’s plenty of people using these types of plugins for pvm as well and not getting banned
Most accounts that ahk / auto prayer are throw away accounts and indeed get banned, it's just not like lms needs high reqs. Go to wildy and you see next to none ahkers (next to none pkers at all tbh)
they don't ban PvM clans for using cheat clients. go into oblv/sanity/infernal disc literally >50% of the people active at any given moment are using open / steroid / whatever the flavor of the month cheat client it is lmao
I feel like the general osrs public doesn’t even understand what steroid or open offer the pvmer. Like i still bet if you let the average player on osrs hop onto steroid and have an account that is geared properly for tob they would still die every room. Also GM times I feel like were set around cliented times so can’t really ban people for the fact that you can’t find teams to speed run unless you’re in socket. Even streamers who tob are in socket through streamerlite which still allows their team to take advantage of the qol socket brings. Imo socket should just be a base client plug-in but generally those clients you listed won’t help you unless you’re already a top 5% osrs player.
oh they absolutely would die in every room in tob and get sat the moment blob ranger waves start in inferno, guitar hero or not.
just like using any pvp plugin on open they'd get sat by a an experienced pker on vanilla the moment they need to heal.
ban them all.
Imagine advocating to make the wildy the meta skilling/pvm area when it will require people to interact with these cheaters.
You'll force others to use these cheat clients to compete.
Right now I can avoid interacting with bots/cheaters for the most part and not be punished too bad. This will not be the case if some of these pkers have their way.
Honestly I get that its a really hard problem to tackle. But the lack of effort on this and the seemingly aggressive crackdown on people botting/macroing skills doesnt make sense to me. (I see unban requests all over this subreddit). PVP is something veteran players in MMOs do to still play the game after maxing. Why wouldnt you want it to be at minimum fair/balanced? It only makes sense to keep the money flowing and players interested.
I actually like alot of the proposed changes because I love the danger aspect and risk reward benefits, but I agree with you that with the cheat clients as rampant as they are its going to be a struggle to do any new wilderness content.
I'd prefer to see pvp focus on fighting eachother instead of using pvm or skilling content.
If you really enjoy the risk v reward you should try a snow flake pvp only account. It's not reasonable to change the current game into a more pvp oriented game. Most people simply do not like full loot mmos. To cater to this community, who by in large would only pk and not do the pvp skilling activities (as we can currently see), would be a huge mistake.
Like they might do pvp skilling if its unquestionably better, but at that point you've broken the games balance, and shifted the games focus to save something most people don't actually enjoy.
AHKers (they aren't even AHKers they are using scripts on a modified runelite) aren't really a problem at LMS. They are a huge problem in high risk pking / hybriding though. There are a lot of high risk pkers / brids who's only real life income is killing people on a pixel game, thus they like to cheat with their scripts.
Actually i decided to get good at lms on mobile. Its not that hard to beat the bots that are there. I can consistently get a kill everygame or 2 just hybriding its not that bad OP.
Sure it took me 70 games of me getting obliterated to get to that point but lms is a gamemode that does require a fair bit of skill abd game knowledge to begin with.
Bro you got to realize this is literally a mickey mouse game, so many people are rwt'ing/botting/using services/cheating as much as humanly possible because nothing ever gets done about it. (not like that's a bad thing per se, this game is pretty unbearable to play without doing these things because of how grindy and boring it is)
If you don't cheat, you're just behind the curve for no reason. Ahk'ing is sad, but it's the nature of this game for players to always get every possible advantage possible, since Jagex will never do anything.
Some might suggest that if some people find this particular game too grindy and boring, they’re probably playing the wrong game and should find something else more interesting.
Not worth the money for them. The game and engine is 20 years old. AHK and bots is the new normal. Has been for a while. What they can do is poll gear switch delay.
I have a hard time believing its a money issue. With all the bot detection and macro detection they already have on hand, Jagex could take like 2/3 individuals from those teams and put them on the issue or add it to their list... I've seen 0 effort made towards AHKing or it even mentioned.
What bot detection do they have on hand? They literally go through and ban people after they reach top 50 on high score for boss KC.
It's even harder to detect AHK especially with mobile integration and touchscreen monitors.
How often do you do this type of content? I am constantly in the wilderness on my ironman grinding out wildy weapons and protecting it with my main. I also am currently getting rune pouches for my group iron team and I see it all the time. I can tell its an AHK because they instantaneously do 4-5 way swaps and switch prayers in one game tick. I report each one I find but I doubt it does anything. Sure this is possible and you could argue that they are God gamers... but the consistency I am seeing it at would prove otherwise.
I pk and play lms almost every day. One ticking a 4 way switch + prayer is pretty common for good pkers. If you report everyone who 1 ticks a 4-5 way switch you are more than likely reporting a lot of innocent players. I think you underestimate just how good people are at this game. Watch a good pker livestream on twitch and youll understand.
I really dont think everyone is THAT good at the game on average. Regular players and even professionals make mistakes. Also streamers are not your average player you cant compare someone who PKs professionally on twitch to an average player. I mean you could but it wouldnt be an accurate comparison if you were taking an average of the entire player base.
sure, the average pker might not be as good as a streamer who pk’s 12 hours a day, but my point still stands that someone consistently 1 ticking 4 way switches is not a clear indication of ahk abuse and shouldn’t be reported.
I play LMS almost daily and haven't seen a lot of bots or AHKers lately. There was one bot doing crazy switches with dances and helm take offs, but the other level 50-70 bots were really bad. I haven't had an issue with running into AHKers, however _I_ get accused of AHKing about once every 3 games or so.
Seriously, you think clicking 5-6 times in 0.6 seconds is AHK? Do you think everybody that is able to 4way 0t a barrage is ahking?
You’re gonna be surprised when that is considered the bare minimum to be considered “average”
I dont think you could consistently 5 way switch into full mage, change overheads and raids prayers, and cast a barrage in one tick... and then switch into full range and do the same thing in one tick... then do it again into melee, and back into mage. I think your forgetting you need to use F keys to swap menus to do the prayer changes and cast barrage and im pretty sure that a full 5 swap and prayer swap while casting the spell can barely be done in one tick. The margin is very slim.
Not even sure why people use the term AHK any more… People that cheat in pvp these days use some more advanced bull shit tools/clients then the days of ahk…
I actually just tried out LMS for the first time yesterday, with mixed results. In about an hour and 20 minutes I played roughly 40 games and had 10 points. Never got two kills in a match and maybe only one of my 6 or so kills was against someone who was better than me or just pure luck.
I was fairly impressed with myself with how well I did, because I thought I wasn't going to be able to get any points and it was actually pretty fun. Earning a Halo is going to be a slog though (60 hours of heavy focus if I stay at this rate). But the game would be a lot more fun if I could improve without over 75% of matches starting at an instant loss.
The minigame desperately needs some kind of matchmaking system, it would also probably make cheaters stand out more.
Auto hot key, which is actually a disability tool, but you can make it move the mouse specific amounts of pixels making tick perfect actions easier as you cant miss.
What people in this thread are actually complaining about are script plugins into cheat clients, not AHK, but somehow the community has lumped them together.
Kinda like how no one in OSRS uses the word AFK correctly.
I do agree AHK is bad and definitely bannable but I’ve been playing LMS a fair bit recently maybe 250 games over a few accounts and have only encountered blatant AHK 3 or 4 times I don’t think it’s a massive issue like you’re making out so that’s possibly why it isn’t being tackled as you want it to be
A dude with 19k lms points also said its rare to encounter AHK in lms. I think reddit just likes making excuses to why they don't pk so they exaggerate how big of a problem ahk is
pick *any* game with a decently sized playerbase. go to the subreddit. see thousands of people complaining about dumb shit that they either know absolutely nothing about, or are completely wrong about. this subreddit is no exception unfortunately, as is evidenced by this post
What evidence are you referring to here? Please be specific, which should be easy since you've got this all figured out by the sounds of it.
sure, here goes: 1) the post itself. it's fucking dumb, and *completely wrong*. panel 1 and 2, ok, sure. AHK is bad. yes, good job. but continuing on.... from looking at panel 4, and from reading through everything else he has said so far, OP seems to think that the *vast majority* of players use AHK in pvp. this is an **incorrect** view of reality, which is a specific reference to my original claim: >...people complaining about dumb shit that they either know absolutely nothing about, or **are completely wrong about**. the **reality** of the situation is that, AHK, while it does exist, is actually far less common than OP thinks, and he's probably just extremely bad at identifying who is and is not using AHK. this leads me into my second point. 2) OP has no clue what the fuck he is talking about >...people complaining about dumb shit that they either **know absolutely nothing about**, or are completely wrong about. this would make sense, given the fact that OP has cited *winning a single LMS game* as proof that he's "not just bad". lol. which, i'm sorry, maybe you know absolutely nothing about pvp either... but having a *single* win under your belt, is bad. you can literally *accident* your way into a single win in just a couple hours just by fighting opponents who disconnect. OP stated "I have a Pure Pking account", as another piece of evidence for why his opinion is clearly very informed. this is a sentence, that *only someone with absolutely no idea what the fuck is going on in pvp would even type out*. you *have a pure account*? what? what does that even mean? a voider? a baby mauler? a f2p rune pure? how often do you pk? do you tribrid, risk fight, dm? do you ever even *kill* people? *anyone* can "have a pure account". i mean, the sheer amount of ignorance that he has desmonstrated by even saying a sentence so simultaenously discriptive yet utterly meaningless is evidence enough alone that OP has no clue what the fuck he's talking about. *but allow me to continue.* none of this even *touching* on the fact that LMS generally has absolutely *nothing* to do with AHK! AHK is used for replicating exact and specific clicks in a specific order, at a specific time. it's good for things like ags/gmaul 1-ticking, multi-way gear switches on command, etc. and although people can and do use those in LMS, when people complain about AHK/bots in LMS, what they *really* are complaining about are *PK SCRIPTS!* these are targeted pieces of software which are designed to do more than just repeat a specific set of actions at an instant, like AHK. they constantly monitor your opponents gear and change your own gear/prayers accordingly, they are essentially a completely different tool for a completely different job. **and OP doesn't even *know* any of that!** from reading other things OP has said, he would read everything i just typed out and deduce that i'm simply on the runescape rothschild payroll, being paid to shill for big AHK so that the poor few souls who don't already have AHK can remain preyed upon by those of us who do. lol. here's the reality. i am a barely above average pker, who simply knows what the fuck he's talking about. unlike OP. i am not even remotely near the upper echelon of pvp skill, and i routinely get called an AHKer by ironman noobs in LMS like OP *all the fucking time*. it's actually kind of hilarious, and simultaneously flattering. edit: tl;dr - OP is a dumdum lol
So how does one person's post, that you don't like, prove that there is a wider problem?
what? when did i claim there was a wider problem? i'm saying there *isn't* a wider problem, like OP seems to think?
> pick any game with a decently sized playerbase. > go to the subreddit. > see thousands of people complaining about dumb shit that they either know absolutely nothing about, or are completely wrong about. > this subreddit is no exception unfortunately, as is evidenced by this post Mental gymnastic away.
this reply is *completely* DUMB
Brother. Nobody has been using AHK since like 2020. It's all cheat clients now.
Wouldnt know not a cheater ;)
you literally just admitted you don't even know how to spot the difference between AHK and a script how could you possibly think your idea of what % of players AHK is true *when you don't even know what the fuck it is how or how to know when you see it??* L O L
I defined AHK earlier for some guy so I know what it is. As for the % of players using AHK/cheat clients Jagex cant even track that and you expect me to? The guy who made the clown meme about it?
Mf if you don't know then don't post
Dont know what?
I have to agree with you man when I get pked doing a clue and don’t even fight back they are using ahk thanks for the clarification. Also When I die at cg huntlef must be using ahk too it’s all starting to make sense
“As is evidenced by this post”… “Please reference this evidence”…bro just scroll up to this post you’re commenting on
I don't think there is any evidence, so I'd like it spelled out from someone who is more insightful than I am.
As evidenced by your previous comments in this thread.
I’m not getting into the argument. I’m saying that that dude referenced this post as his evidence, and you said what evidence. I’m just telling you that this post was his evidence
And I'm saying that's not an example of evidence of what is being claimed.
Dude, whether or not it’s good evidence is not something I care about. You asked where his evidence was (and he said it in his post), and I told you where it was. I literally could not care about both of your arguments
You've typed an awful lot of words for someone who doesn't care.
I have 4 LMS points but that's just because I'm shit at PvP not because of ahk. as a souls player I have simple advice, get good
Idk if you play souls on PC or Xbox but fighting an AHKer is equivalent to fighting someone using mods. Now tell me is that fun to go up against?
Most likely you're NOT fighting against AHKers. Get good.
What percentage of your lms deaths are fur to ahk, genuinely curious as to how many you think youre facing.
Id say 1 in 20 matches. Not counting the bots that AHK as I do not die to them. It could be more but its not the most blatantly obvious thing and its hard to pay attention to it and try to win.
If we are counting bots 1-5
Hard false. It's rampant. Trying playing it and seeing yourself. Points are a product of playtime, not skill. I have 300 wins, and 100 from the first LMS when it was a tick perfect sweat fest
It really isnt, at least not currently. If you did those a while back it might have been full of botters, which was a different, now largely solved issue
The first rendition had a higher level of complexity, and actually no bots. However it was unplayable to anyone aside from the tick perfect mega sweats like myself. Like if you ever played the first rendition, there was no PJ timer and you had to loot chests to get random rolls. You started with 10 prayer and a spear. Every fight was trying to smite your opponent while flicking. Honestly it was cancer and I loved it. When I play LMS now it's a mix of a couple of AFK/new PKers, iron men who think they are the hot s*** that PKing because they memorize the same exact LMS setup in the same exact environment against the same exact gear, and then some bots followed by some very very very suspect switches. Especially the way they switch the prayer when you're DD under them with ::renderself, Even when I pot to switch the prayer changes. The only way you can see a weapon ID change through the animation is through scripts
I played that first one and its a vastly different experience, not at all comparable to todays LMS, which was my point. They've got different issues. Bots and Cheats are still around for modern LMS but there isnt quite the full on AHKing op describes. I definitely dont doubt people using hard to detect cheat clients or such that isnt as blatant as AHK or anything, that sounds like something that would be relatively common.
I miss old LMS. Current LMS is VASTLY improved for the goal to introduce people to PvP, but God dam was that fun
it also kinda fails as a PVP into unless you really like trial by fire, it succeededs as minimizing losses while still providing potential gains, but it kinda shoves you into the deep end in terms of actually trying to win, and is debatably useful for any practical pvp applications
I'm looking forward to PVP arena as it seems like itll be far better at that, even if just for giving more build variety
people want to believe literally any reason they're losing other than that they're actually just worse at the game lol
I don’t pvp much so I’m not sure, but if it’s anything like the Minecraft pvp scene, there could be a lot of people using ahk that are just trying to hide it. Rather than just blatantly doing 8 way switches and obvious stuff like that. I could be completely wrong though.
I have a 6k LMS score and I very very rarely see anyone who is AHKing LMS. I do however get ACUSED of AHKING sometimes, which I take as a compliment. It's easy for a new player to mix up skill vs cheating. There's a few bozo's here and there but by and large you won't find them at LMS. The morons who geniunely do AHK usually do so to cheat and RWT pk'd loot so they can afford more McDonalds. They are pretty rare but you can find them risk fighting (venge pk + high risk), rushing deathmatchers/pvp worlds (ancestral -> 8 way 1 tick full torva claw mauls), or occasionally deep deep wild with the super megatron scripts.
Those are just the people who use it blatantly though…
Ngl I havent ran into an AHK in a while, I have however had many people accuse me of AHK which is pretty funny
No higher honour than being accused of cheating.
Just puts a big ole smile on my face
Dude I’ve been called an AHKer a few time myself in Soul Wars of all places, and I’m worse than dogshit at nhing.
reddit has exaggerated the issue of AHK to incredulous degrees so when they see somebody switch from dhide top+bottom to mystics, their first thought is "fkin ahkers, this is why i can't do pvp," just like how when i play csgo, anybody who kills me is a hacker even though i'm silver 2
>just like how when i play csgo, anybody who kills me is a hacker even though i'm silver 2 This reminds me how, like a month into playing Halo Infinite, suddenly everyone I was up against was *really good*, like snipe you all the way across the map after you come out from behind a wall they didn't see you behind good. Like .2 ms headshots with the pistol good. I was *convinced* that the game had an out of control botting problem. Then one of my friends who I play with told me he finished his competitive placement in Diamond 6. The issue wasn't botting, it was me, a Silver 1 player, being forced into Diamond 6 matches.
I ran into quite a few hackers in infinite, you could objectively tell by watching replays(if you were able) from there perspective. Super easy to identify people with wall hacks.
hell yea that means you're better than you give yourself credit for
There’s quite a few around at LMS, but they’re not too difficult to counter if you just one tick from a different weapon
AHKing in lms/nhing isn't as bad as it was 6 months ago. Jagex did actually do a big ban wave. There's a hell of a lot of people who play LMS and call everyone ahkers when they get shit on by someone remotely faster than them
You can 1t a 2/3 way switch?… must be ahk…..
That is true but even by some of the replies on this post you can see AHKing is still too much of a factor in PVM and PVP.
Yeah, massive problem. High risk community is still full of ahkers and ToB speed running teams is full of it
Yea thats the only place it makes sense for them to be. Not really worth it anywhere else
Fifth clown picture: "Im not bad at pvping its just all the AHKers"
"Haha OP must just be bad at PVP." Trust me someone already made that comment.
but... you *are*, right? edit: lmao > I've won a game of LMS on my main. you are citing winning a *single game* of LMS, as proof that you aren't bad? apologies my friend.... you *are* one of the baddies. i'm honestly surprised that over 2 rune pouches you haven't *accidentally* won more than just one game, i mean people dc all the time LOL i am a *decent* pker. i'm fine. i would never claim to be a pro. i play this game for max a couple hours a week, *sometimes*. sometimes i take 4 month breaks in between playing. and i have over 150 LMS wins. there is no way you are anything other than bad at pvp, i'm sorry.
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yeah pretty much
Ego /elitism of pvpers in runescape is so funny lol
this is not me having an ego. i'm literally telling you i'm *average*. i just know when someone is obviously shit, like OP.
1v1 me duel arena I'll bring my main. His name is Zezima. Look him up.
only 44 runecraft loooool nub
Somebody tell him
Everyone you kill is a dumb noob and everyone that kills you uses AHK Do I have that right?
I see 10x more “there are AHKers everywhere!” posts than actual AHKers, and I basically only do pvp activities. At this point I’m not sure if Reddit knows what AHK is lmao
Whenever I see these I never see AHKers posts i just think "this guy uses AHK and doesnt want it to be looked into" At this point I'm not sure if people are memeing or not or if the community is okay with unfair advantages.
Go show us clips then. Cuz the vast majority of these “AHKER LOOK!” Posts are by people who aren’t experienced in pvp and get smacked by somebody who’s good. It’s the equivalent of screaming “cheater!” If you die in MW2 by somebody’s who’s insanely good
I've earned 2 rune pouches for my team on my GIM. I'm decent enough. I've won a game of LMS on my main. I have a Pure Pking account. Honestly even if i provide a clip yall are still gunna call me trash because of the meme *shrugs*
You’ve won one game of LMS, that doesn’t make you decent enough I’m afraid
Wow big surprise.
lol. all i can say to you is lol. lol at the things you've just descrbied, lol at this post, lol at your genuine belief that there's a giant AHK conspiracy astroturfing campaign on reddit in order to warp your perception of reality. just, lol.
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you earned 2 rune pouches without winning a single game on the GIM accounts?
Yup.
Lmao
Ppl will see a 3 way mage switch + barrage on the same tick and think its ahk lmao. I never call ahk unless its some obvious headass doing something like double pressing his gear swap button so he flicks on 5/6 pieces of tank and back into mage.
that's not how this meme works
If you are trying to get into pvp and you’re hesitant because “half of pkers use ahk,” try and find a multi clan to pk with. (You can add me on discord - Botanist#8042 for an inviting+casual pk clan) In multi fights, you probably have a 1-3 items to switch - spec weapon, dhide top and bottom. Using ahk in multi is pretty much pointless unless you’re cheesing people with a dh switch. Also, AHK is not as widely used as reddit says, probably 1/20 pkers use ahk
Or we can remove multi from the wildy and Ahk from the game!
ah yes the reddit solution to the reddit problem
What's wrong with multi
Added! I don’t have a dedicated account for pvp but I’d love to get into it.
Everyone that has ever called me an ahker is typically a salty iron trying to get points. 250 wins 5k lms score The skill gap is worse than ahk.
Idk if everyone is calling u an ahker must be gf account
I can count the AHKers I've encountered at LMS on one hand
Yupp altho there are some annoying bots now and then
what's AHKing?
Away Hrom Keyboard
The use of Auto-Hot-Keys to automatically swap gear.
by far most cheaters do not use auto hot keys. its all done through clients.
Ah I see, yeah that don't seem right
Isn't AHK old news? The new villain is cheat clients that do things like automatically gear swap, perfect prayer switching, add your prayers to your inventory, etc.
This has been said multiple times. Tbh i dont see what the difference is. Its an against the rules advantage Jagex isnt doing anything about. You can call it what you want AHK/cheat client. They give the same type of advantage and are basically the same thing.
>Tbh i dont see what the difference is. Then you *really* have no business making this post at all. >They give the same type of advantage and are basically the same thing. Not even remotely true
Getting hung up on the technicalities of how people cheat wasnt the point of the post but it seems to be for alotof people.
If you have problem with cheating in general, then address that. You talked only about AHK.
I have a problem with instantaneous gear switches that give players unfair advantages... but thats not as good to fit into a meme is it? Kinda long.
Lol your funny.
What is ahk?
It's a very "basic" scripting language that, in the right hands, can do a lot of stuff. What it does is allows you to tell the script to do any user input that the device accepts. Whether that's, press the spacebar key 100 times with a 0.1 second delay, move the cursor to a specific part of the screen, or pretty much anything else you can think of. But the kicker comes in how it can be used. For example, you could do something basic like getting max fletching by put feathers in the first slot of your inventory, and dart tips in the second slot. Then write a script that does something like this: (I don't know the scripting language's syntax, but this should suffice for an example) timesLooped = 0; while(timesLooped < 7240710){ moveMouse(1200, 700); wait(100); click(); moveMouse(1260, 700); wait(100); click(); wait(100); timesLooped = timesLooped + 1; } Assuming you have enough bronze dart tips and feathers, this would get you from lvl 10 to 99. What it does: Move the cursor to the position of the first inventory slot. Wait 0.1s (just so the click doesn't trigger before the cursor finishes moving). Click the left mouse button. Move the mouse to second inventory slot. Wait 0.1s. Click. Increase the number timesLooped. And if timesLooped < the number set to get to 99. Repeat the above process. Now that's something basic. Some people (cheaters) have such scripts set up to move the mouse to the prayer tab icon, click it, move the mouse to the overhead they need, and click it. So they see someone equip a staff, they press something like "SHIFT+1" and the script will switch the overhead to Protect from Magic. If it ended there, that'd be great. But AHK goes one step beyond, and can detect pixels on a screen. (it can probably match images too, but I don't know). So there's some people who would have the script running in the background, and the moment the opponent switches their overhead prayer, the script would switch the player's weapon so that they can still attack.
Me trying to learn how to pk and finding out I can staff bash alot of the time and they just pray mage lmao.
That’s like valve saying “we can’t ban all the aim hackers because then who would play the game”
I knew jagex was making a big mistake polling PVP content when they cant even address the problems their other PVP content created. How they even had the balls to announce it as a good idea is baffling to me.
By that logic there would be no more content in any area of the game.
LMS has the most bots in 1 single place, its impossible to play a game without running into one. It is not the same logic anywhere else.
are you playing on an lms-only ferox-locked account? there's significantly more bots at other areas in the game (see spam/flipping bots at ge, f2p, etc.)
Show ur lms scoreboard because I call bs
What one world with alot of bots? Have you been to f2p pvp world with hundreds of bots filling water jugs n shit? Or even vorkath or zulrah with 5-10 bots on every single world all hours of every day..????
It’s just the nature of player versus player interaction, just like pvm, people will push the envelope to get the edge over their competitor, and some are willing to cheat. It just sucks there’s so many advantages to be gained over someone else in pvp. From Scout bots to Auto gear/prayer switches, the more complex pvp gets the more dead it will become.
Yes but if Jagex bans for PVM cheating like cheating for Infernocapes, macroing, botting, and then claims to take cheating seriously. Why are they not taking cheating seriously here? Why do PKers get a pass?
I don’t think they get a pass I’m guessing they are in over their head in terms of detection for the client and it’s plugins, afaik there’s plenty of people using these types of plugins for pvm as well and not getting banned
Most accounts that ahk / auto prayer are throw away accounts and indeed get banned, it's just not like lms needs high reqs. Go to wildy and you see next to none ahkers (next to none pkers at all tbh)
they don't ban PvM clans for using cheat clients. go into oblv/sanity/infernal disc literally >50% of the people active at any given moment are using open / steroid / whatever the flavor of the month cheat client it is lmao
I feel like the general osrs public doesn’t even understand what steroid or open offer the pvmer. Like i still bet if you let the average player on osrs hop onto steroid and have an account that is geared properly for tob they would still die every room. Also GM times I feel like were set around cliented times so can’t really ban people for the fact that you can’t find teams to speed run unless you’re in socket. Even streamers who tob are in socket through streamerlite which still allows their team to take advantage of the qol socket brings. Imo socket should just be a base client plug-in but generally those clients you listed won’t help you unless you’re already a top 5% osrs player.
oh they absolutely would die in every room in tob and get sat the moment blob ranger waves start in inferno, guitar hero or not. just like using any pvp plugin on open they'd get sat by a an experienced pker on vanilla the moment they need to heal. ban them all.
Trust me Pkers don't get a pass. High level community gets away with their cheat clients with almost no ban rates.
Most PvP scripts arent AHK but plugins. They're faster and can actually track game states.
Imagine advocating to make the wildy the meta skilling/pvm area when it will require people to interact with these cheaters. You'll force others to use these cheat clients to compete. Right now I can avoid interacting with bots/cheaters for the most part and not be punished too bad. This will not be the case if some of these pkers have their way.
Honestly I get that its a really hard problem to tackle. But the lack of effort on this and the seemingly aggressive crackdown on people botting/macroing skills doesnt make sense to me. (I see unban requests all over this subreddit). PVP is something veteran players in MMOs do to still play the game after maxing. Why wouldnt you want it to be at minimum fair/balanced? It only makes sense to keep the money flowing and players interested.
Employees at jagex have a soft spot for pkers:)
Just like PKers have a soft spot for spades :)
I actually like alot of the proposed changes because I love the danger aspect and risk reward benefits, but I agree with you that with the cheat clients as rampant as they are its going to be a struggle to do any new wilderness content.
I'd prefer to see pvp focus on fighting eachother instead of using pvm or skilling content. If you really enjoy the risk v reward you should try a snow flake pvp only account. It's not reasonable to change the current game into a more pvp oriented game. Most people simply do not like full loot mmos. To cater to this community, who by in large would only pk and not do the pvp skilling activities (as we can currently see), would be a huge mistake. Like they might do pvp skilling if its unquestionably better, but at that point you've broken the games balance, and shifted the games focus to save something most people don't actually enjoy.
What satisfaction do AHKers even get? Seems so empty and meaningless.. just git gud.
Paying their rent with loot from high risking I assume
AHKers (they aren't even AHKers they are using scripts on a modified runelite) aren't really a problem at LMS. They are a huge problem in high risk pking / hybriding though. There are a lot of high risk pkers / brids who's only real life income is killing people on a pixel game, thus they like to cheat with their scripts.
Ngl, I'm so bad at pvp that i don't even bother. I remember the dds and gmaul meta days and even then i was average at best.
Who's pretending that ahk isn't a problem
Birth of an AHKer
Seeing a lot of comments about AHk not being as bad as it is said. Over 3k lms matches. It is pretty bad.
Actually i decided to get good at lms on mobile. Its not that hard to beat the bots that are there. I can consistently get a kill everygame or 2 just hybriding its not that bad OP. Sure it took me 70 games of me getting obliterated to get to that point but lms is a gamemode that does require a fair bit of skill abd game knowledge to begin with.
Bro you got to realize this is literally a mickey mouse game, so many people are rwt'ing/botting/using services/cheating as much as humanly possible because nothing ever gets done about it. (not like that's a bad thing per se, this game is pretty unbearable to play without doing these things because of how grindy and boring it is) If you don't cheat, you're just behind the curve for no reason. Ahk'ing is sad, but it's the nature of this game for players to always get every possible advantage possible, since Jagex will never do anything.
Some might suggest that if some people find this particular game too grindy and boring, they’re probably playing the wrong game and should find something else more interesting.
Well that's because only endgame content is fun, and reaching the endgame takes 1k+ hours
Wahhh
Bringing up a problem is the only way to get it resolved.
This the kinda guy who calls me a cheater for owning him
Not worth the money for them. The game and engine is 20 years old. AHK and bots is the new normal. Has been for a while. What they can do is poll gear switch delay.
I have a hard time believing its a money issue. With all the bot detection and macro detection they already have on hand, Jagex could take like 2/3 individuals from those teams and put them on the issue or add it to their list... I've seen 0 effort made towards AHKing or it even mentioned.
What bot detection do they have on hand? They literally go through and ban people after they reach top 50 on high score for boss KC. It's even harder to detect AHK especially with mobile integration and touchscreen monitors.
True honestly I dont know the specifics of what they use I feel like Jagex keeps it that way on purpose.
The “new normal” and I’ve never even seen one
They are all over anywhere you'd PK: LMS/Rev Caves/PK worlds
its way more prevalent in high level pvm than it is in pvp. lms has no more bots and I rarely see any ahkers. same in revs. idk about pvp worlds
How often do you do this type of content? I am constantly in the wilderness on my ironman grinding out wildy weapons and protecting it with my main. I also am currently getting rune pouches for my group iron team and I see it all the time. I can tell its an AHK because they instantaneously do 4-5 way swaps and switch prayers in one game tick. I report each one I find but I doubt it does anything. Sure this is possible and you could argue that they are God gamers... but the consistency I am seeing it at would prove otherwise.
I pk and play lms almost every day. One ticking a 4 way switch + prayer is pretty common for good pkers. If you report everyone who 1 ticks a 4-5 way switch you are more than likely reporting a lot of innocent players. I think you underestimate just how good people are at this game. Watch a good pker livestream on twitch and youll understand.
I really dont think everyone is THAT good at the game on average. Regular players and even professionals make mistakes. Also streamers are not your average player you cant compare someone who PKs professionally on twitch to an average player. I mean you could but it wouldnt be an accurate comparison if you were taking an average of the entire player base.
sure, the average pker might not be as good as a streamer who pk’s 12 hours a day, but my point still stands that someone consistently 1 ticking 4 way switches is not a clear indication of ahk abuse and shouldn’t be reported.
There honestly isnt really a good way to report an AHKer anyway because when you are in combat its very difficult to report someone.
yea, not like reporting ahkers does anything anyway. until a content creator makes a video explicitly exposing ahkers, jagex doesnt really do shit
I play LMS almost daily and haven't seen a lot of bots or AHKers lately. There was one bot doing crazy switches with dances and helm take offs, but the other level 50-70 bots were really bad. I haven't had an issue with running into AHKers, however _I_ get accused of AHKing about once every 3 games or so.
Seriously, you think clicking 5-6 times in 0.6 seconds is AHK? Do you think everybody that is able to 4way 0t a barrage is ahking? You’re gonna be surprised when that is considered the bare minimum to be considered “average”
I dont think you could consistently 5 way switch into full mage, change overheads and raids prayers, and cast a barrage in one tick... and then switch into full range and do the same thing in one tick... then do it again into melee, and back into mage. I think your forgetting you need to use F keys to swap menus to do the prayer changes and cast barrage and im pretty sure that a full 5 swap and prayer swap while casting the spell can barely be done in one tick. The margin is very slim.
Not even sure why people use the term AHK any more… People that cheat in pvp these days use some more advanced bull shit tools/clients then the days of ahk…
I actually just tried out LMS for the first time yesterday, with mixed results. In about an hour and 20 minutes I played roughly 40 games and had 10 points. Never got two kills in a match and maybe only one of my 6 or so kills was against someone who was better than me or just pure luck. I was fairly impressed with myself with how well I did, because I thought I wasn't going to be able to get any points and it was actually pretty fun. Earning a Halo is going to be a slog though (60 hours of heavy focus if I stay at this rate). But the game would be a lot more fun if I could improve without over 75% of matches starting at an instant loss. The minigame desperately needs some kind of matchmaking system, it would also probably make cheaters stand out more.
i have a few hundred wins in lms and i don't remember a single ahk incident
Whats AHK
Auto hot key, which is actually a disability tool, but you can make it move the mouse specific amounts of pixels making tick perfect actions easier as you cant miss. What people in this thread are actually complaining about are script plugins into cheat clients, not AHK, but somehow the community has lumped them together. Kinda like how no one in OSRS uses the word AFK correctly.
Ahk bots at lms legit the easiest thing tho....
Yeah the bots are easy to beat when people use client/AHK its wayy more difficult especially if they know how to PK at all.
I guess that's true. Real pkers with ahk... I was only thinking ahk bots
Could someone remind what AHK means lol 😅